I'm procrastinating right now or else I'd find the sources and do a change but this is hilariously wrong. The unarmored HMMWVs were always meant for front line combat use. In 2003, they were integral to the invading forces maneuverability. We rode a 998 with a 240B in a pole mount. We had consistently practiced this configuration stateside so it wasn't some new thing just to get more gun trucks in theater. The TOW HMMWVs didn't even have the light anti-rifle armor the article talks about. They had a thin metal body instead of fiberglass, but that wasn't about to stop modern small arms. I'm not even sure it would have stopped the small arms from the Vietnam era in which it was designed. Anyways it took years for the Up-Armor variants to be fielded, yet unarmored HMMWVs are given no credit in this article. Outcast95 ( talk) 20:21, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
I was thinking that Cage_armor would be the best uparmouring for HMMWV's since the vehicle will probably already stop relatively low caliber bullets, but is mostly very vulnerable to RPG fire, which cage armor can stop; given the relatively low extra weight, it seems one of the best modifications that can be done, and I thus wonder whether it has allready been frequently used ? See also -->Mastiff, a version of the regular replacement of HMMWV's designed by the Brits ( Cougar_H) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.182.56.170 ( talk) 19:51, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
Neither military nor civilian air, ground, sea, or submersibles are categorized in Wikipedia under "common names." You won't find the C-130 under it's common nickname, the Herk. The Hornet is listed under "McDonnell Douglas F/A-18 Hornet." The Buff is listed under "Boeing B-52 Stratofortress." The Abrams is listed under "M1 Abrams," not under the nickname "whispering death" earned during its first REFORGER exercise. The proper title should be either "High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle" or "HMMWV," possibly with "AM General" before it, and all other redirects including "Humvee" pointing to that proper title. This is an encyclopedia, not a democracy. The goal should be accuracy and not the result of some brain-dead popularity contest. I have several thousand hours driving the HMMWV, spelled "HMMWV" and pronounced "hum-vee," and my QUALIFIED opinion as both an experience HMMWV driver as well as a technical writer is that the entry should match the it's proper spelling: "HMMWV." 22:57, 18 September 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.70.164.249 ( talk)
Should we put them here or move them to the article talking about them? Ominae ( talk) 01:41, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
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Why does the article keep calling the Humvee a truck when it's obviously a car? A truck by definition primarily hauls cargo. A humvee primarily transports people, hence it's a car. Malamockq ( talk) 03:05, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
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(2320-01-107-7155) (EIC: BBD); M998A1 (2320-01-371-9577) (EIC: BBN)" Anmccaff ( talk) 17:34, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
Anmccaff, we already have two people being fine with changing it to vehicle and you reverted my changes. A humvee is not primarily designed to transport cargo, hence it's not a truck. Malamockq ( talk) 17:56, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
All that said, any compelling reason I shouldn't return the article to its former pristine state? As Mr. Crumb says....keep on truckin Anmccaff ( talk) 05:54, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
...it ain't an automobile, as Wiki defines it:
Most definitions of the term specify that cars are designed to run primarily on roads, to have seating for one to eight people, to typically have four wheels, and to be constructed principally for the transport of people rather than goods.[4][5]
It is designed primarily to work off good roads, it often has only two seats, with the remainder given to cargo, weapons, or equipment...that is to say, the driver is there to ferry things, not people. It is called by the organization that designs and uses it a "truck". The classes of vehicles it replaced were all called "trucks." The organizations that produce it are truck manufacturers, or the truck and coach divisions of general vehicle manufacturers. Anmccaff ( talk) 06:19, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
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I'm thinking ISIS and Syria's usage of Humvees should be listed under the "Confiscated" section along with the 8 captured by Russia. They weren't supplied the Humvees, they stole them in combat, so that should count as "confiscated", right? Or are we using "confiscated" in a different way here? Jade Phoenix Pence ( talk) 15:24, 15 February 2017 (UTC)Jade Phoenix Pence
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I'm surprised that this article does not mention Gas mileage. I understood it to be a major flaw of this vehicle in both civilian and military use:
military planners had assumed that fuel would be plentiful and easily available. A Humvee with added armour does just four miles per gallon
— The Economist [1]
Without armor it gets 10 to 14 miles per gallon. [2]
the military buys gas for just over $1 a gallon, getting that gallon to some forward operating bases costs $400
— The New York Times [3]
In Iraq and Afghanistan, one Army study found, for every 24 fuel convoys that set out, one soldier or civilian engaged in fuel transport was killed.
I think this needs to be addressed in this article. I also briefly checked the articles for Humvee replacement process and Joint Light Tactical Vehicle and none of these article seem to address the problem of bad fuel economy, or mention it as a factor in the need to replace the Humvee. -- 109.77.225.189 ( talk) 16:48, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
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The article says "this is the first time the military vehicles have been made available for civilian ownership." with no citation because this claim is wrong. Thousands of US military vehicles of many types have been sold on the civilian market over many years. Perhaps the writer meant that it was the first time military HMMWV's were sold on the civilian market which is probably true for complete, serviceable vehicles from the military (although not true for wrecked vehicles sold as scrap) but should still require a citation to support the statement especially since it would be drawing a distinction between HMMWV's that were delivered to the military then sold to civilians vs identical HMMWV's that were originally delivered to government agencies other than the military. -- N4aof ( talk) 02:59, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
Any point in mentioning the new mod kits available from AMG?
Expanded Tactical Lethality [ [1]] — Expanded Tactical Mobility [ [2]] — Enhanced Tactical Transportability [ [3]]
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I'm procrastinating right now or else I'd find the sources and do a change but this is hilariously wrong. The unarmored HMMWVs were always meant for front line combat use. In 2003, they were integral to the invading forces maneuverability. We rode a 998 with a 240B in a pole mount. We had consistently practiced this configuration stateside so it wasn't some new thing just to get more gun trucks in theater. The TOW HMMWVs didn't even have the light anti-rifle armor the article talks about. They had a thin metal body instead of fiberglass, but that wasn't about to stop modern small arms. I'm not even sure it would have stopped the small arms from the Vietnam era in which it was designed. Anyways it took years for the Up-Armor variants to be fielded, yet unarmored HMMWVs are given no credit in this article. Outcast95 ( talk) 20:21, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
I was thinking that Cage_armor would be the best uparmouring for HMMWV's since the vehicle will probably already stop relatively low caliber bullets, but is mostly very vulnerable to RPG fire, which cage armor can stop; given the relatively low extra weight, it seems one of the best modifications that can be done, and I thus wonder whether it has allready been frequently used ? See also -->Mastiff, a version of the regular replacement of HMMWV's designed by the Brits ( Cougar_H) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.182.56.170 ( talk) 19:51, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
Neither military nor civilian air, ground, sea, or submersibles are categorized in Wikipedia under "common names." You won't find the C-130 under it's common nickname, the Herk. The Hornet is listed under "McDonnell Douglas F/A-18 Hornet." The Buff is listed under "Boeing B-52 Stratofortress." The Abrams is listed under "M1 Abrams," not under the nickname "whispering death" earned during its first REFORGER exercise. The proper title should be either "High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle" or "HMMWV," possibly with "AM General" before it, and all other redirects including "Humvee" pointing to that proper title. This is an encyclopedia, not a democracy. The goal should be accuracy and not the result of some brain-dead popularity contest. I have several thousand hours driving the HMMWV, spelled "HMMWV" and pronounced "hum-vee," and my QUALIFIED opinion as both an experience HMMWV driver as well as a technical writer is that the entry should match the it's proper spelling: "HMMWV." 22:57, 18 September 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.70.164.249 ( talk)
Should we put them here or move them to the article talking about them? Ominae ( talk) 01:41, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
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Why does the article keep calling the Humvee a truck when it's obviously a car? A truck by definition primarily hauls cargo. A humvee primarily transports people, hence it's a car. Malamockq ( talk) 03:05, 14 July 2015 (UTC)
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Anmccaff, we already have two people being fine with changing it to vehicle and you reverted my changes. A humvee is not primarily designed to transport cargo, hence it's not a truck. Malamockq ( talk) 17:56, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
All that said, any compelling reason I shouldn't return the article to its former pristine state? As Mr. Crumb says....keep on truckin Anmccaff ( talk) 05:54, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
...it ain't an automobile, as Wiki defines it:
Most definitions of the term specify that cars are designed to run primarily on roads, to have seating for one to eight people, to typically have four wheels, and to be constructed principally for the transport of people rather than goods.[4][5]
It is designed primarily to work off good roads, it often has only two seats, with the remainder given to cargo, weapons, or equipment...that is to say, the driver is there to ferry things, not people. It is called by the organization that designs and uses it a "truck". The classes of vehicles it replaced were all called "trucks." The organizations that produce it are truck manufacturers, or the truck and coach divisions of general vehicle manufacturers. Anmccaff ( talk) 06:19, 21 August 2015 (UTC)
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I'm thinking ISIS and Syria's usage of Humvees should be listed under the "Confiscated" section along with the 8 captured by Russia. They weren't supplied the Humvees, they stole them in combat, so that should count as "confiscated", right? Or are we using "confiscated" in a different way here? Jade Phoenix Pence ( talk) 15:24, 15 February 2017 (UTC)Jade Phoenix Pence
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I'm surprised that this article does not mention Gas mileage. I understood it to be a major flaw of this vehicle in both civilian and military use:
military planners had assumed that fuel would be plentiful and easily available. A Humvee with added armour does just four miles per gallon
— The Economist [1]
Without armor it gets 10 to 14 miles per gallon. [2]
the military buys gas for just over $1 a gallon, getting that gallon to some forward operating bases costs $400
— The New York Times [3]
In Iraq and Afghanistan, one Army study found, for every 24 fuel convoys that set out, one soldier or civilian engaged in fuel transport was killed.
I think this needs to be addressed in this article. I also briefly checked the articles for Humvee replacement process and Joint Light Tactical Vehicle and none of these article seem to address the problem of bad fuel economy, or mention it as a factor in the need to replace the Humvee. -- 109.77.225.189 ( talk) 16:48, 25 October 2018 (UTC)
References
The article says "this is the first time the military vehicles have been made available for civilian ownership." with no citation because this claim is wrong. Thousands of US military vehicles of many types have been sold on the civilian market over many years. Perhaps the writer meant that it was the first time military HMMWV's were sold on the civilian market which is probably true for complete, serviceable vehicles from the military (although not true for wrecked vehicles sold as scrap) but should still require a citation to support the statement especially since it would be drawing a distinction between HMMWV's that were delivered to the military then sold to civilians vs identical HMMWV's that were originally delivered to government agencies other than the military. -- N4aof ( talk) 02:59, 24 February 2019 (UTC)
Any point in mentioning the new mod kits available from AMG?
Expanded Tactical Lethality [ [1]] — Expanded Tactical Mobility [ [2]] — Enhanced Tactical Transportability [ [3]]
71.235.184.247 ( talk) 01:19, 16 April 2019 (UTC)