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In that section, "pmid = 14556561" appears in plain text. I know its supposed to be some sort of reference, but I couldn't figure out how to fix it. 74.132.8.133 ( talk) 20:55, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
Fixed - Seems the PMID was incorrectly entered.
This is a 2020 replacement, containing summary information stating the threshold is 5+ Gz for blackout in pilots.
In this reference citing a 1955 study, Clark says the threshold for pilot blackout is 7+ Gz.
Zefr (
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22:32, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
I looked through Wikimedia Commons for a simple audio file to include with the humming section added today, but there is nothing there. If any enthusiasts following this article have a short audio file to contribute, please upload it to Commons, and notify here. Thanks. Zefr ( talk) 17:17, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
In Lifespan the text states:
However, chameleons do not occur naturally in the americas, and hummingbirds don't occur naturally in Africa and Eurasia, where chameleons are found. None of the references provided say this and I propose to delete that statement. MFdeS ( talk) 02:44, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
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— Assignment last updated by Gonet99 ( talk) 19:16, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi there - I'm the lead author of the paper cited for hummingbirds using monoterpene volatiles to find flowers (Byers et al 2014), which was not what the paper found - we found that bumblebees were attracted to these volatiles (which are produced by the petals, not the nectar), but did not do any studies with hummingbirds and previous data suggests they do not have a very good sense of smell anyway. Could someone remove this sentence, please? I'd do it myself but that feels conflict-of-interest-y...? 80.189.6.106 ( talk) 18:24, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
so many topics ---- modern_primat ඞඞඞ TALK 15:22, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
Done.
Zefr (
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19:52, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
This split into a separate article (not that it is handled as a split - it's just duplicated material) seems unnecessary. About half the material, "Locations", is copied straight from Hummingbird#Migration; the rest, the "Reasons" section plus the end of the lede, could be added to the source article without problem. - If a separate article were required, then Hummingbird#Migration would need to be edited down to a short summary and linked there. The current setup is unsuitable. -- Elmidae ( talk · contribs) 09:39, 21 January 2023 (UTC) Elmidae ( talk · contribs) 09:39, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
I will edit down the migration section in the main Hummingbird page rather than have the Hummingbird migration moved into the main page. I feel hummingbird migration is notable enough to warrant its own page. I would rather have the migration page be revised and expanded, as opposed to merging into the main page. I don't have the time to increase it further, so hopefully some of you can increase and expand it with new facts and info. Anderswarr ( talk) 13:25, 21 January 2023 (PT)
This article states that the rufous hummingbird has been sighted in the Chukchi Peninsula, but Big_Diomede#Fauna suggests that it should be on the island, which is part of the Chukotka Autonomous Okrug but not part of the Peninsula. The article refers to BOW, which I am not subscribed to. Could anyone verify this information? ——🦝 The Interaccoonale Will be the raccoon race ( talk・ contribs) 00:40, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
I note the reference to the hummingbird hawk moth which has been mistaken for the hummingbird is found ONLY in Eurasian. There is a similar moth found in Australia that has also been mistaken for a hummingbird. Following are some websites which mention the moth found in Australia which has been mistaken for a hummingbird:
https://wildandpets.com/hummingbirds-in-australia/?expand_article=1
I personally saw one of these moths in Australia at dusk, and mistook it for a hummingbird even knowing we don't have hummingbirds here.
~~~ Tzali ( talk) 17:01, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
I have had very reasonable edits reverted twice. I am told to go to the talk page to discuss basic reasonable changes to a tiny sentence. I am directly lied to that this has been discussed at length, unless that is just referring to my single comment reply? Because it is literally not discussed here at all. And to top it off, the sentence contains a laughable and juvenile error that these editors are less interested in simply correcting than they are in exercising their power to revert edits (which we all have). It makes the article a farce, but sure, leave this obvious typo up. The fact that even this typo correction is not retained, or re-added manually, shows where the motivations of certain types lie.
So, let's discuss this. First, there is an obvious and laughable basic typo. It is properly spelled "theropod". Leave that if you like, to make a point or whatever, but it makes Wikipedia look shoddy. It is right at the start of the article, after the lede.
Second, this sentence is an abomination. The very phrase "avian theropod dinosaur" literally just means "bird", with an emphasis on their theropod and dinosaur affinities. All avians ARE theropods, and all theropods ARE dinosaurs, so it is also doubly redundant. It involves only a small number of words, sure, that's good, I guess. But I barely doubled the word count and provided a much more accurate and clear statement.
The real problem here is that it attempts to mash three statements together into one awkward, ambiguous, and unsightly phrase. These are: 1) That hummingbirds are the smallest birds (ever), 2) that birds are dinosaurs, and 3) that hummingbirds are the smallest of the dinosaurs (ever).
Although the second of these claims is by far the most ancillary, it is the ONLY one that has citations, and not only that, it has THREE separate ones. None of these even mention hummingbirds in any special respect (though two mention them in passing). Birds being dinosaurs is a highly tangential claim to anything discussed anywhere else in the article and certainly does not demand three separate sources. Claims like this in other articles, highly tangential and well-established, often go without citation at all.
The sources I provided are both DIRECTLY relevant, and both from reputable world-class authorities, to the question of small dinosaurs. The claim that hummingbirds are the smallest dinosaurs ever is really the one most in need of a source, and they are few and far between. If mine were inadequate, and there is no other adequate source, then this claim should not even be made in the article at all.
The very issue of dinosaurs to begin with is brought up randomly and needlessly. If it is brought up, these points must be clarified. Otherwise, it should not be brought up at all.
You owe it to Wikipedia to at least read this reply. I know it isn't as fun, easy, satisfying, and (somehow, sadly) fulfilling as just removing other people's edits in all of 5 seconds of very useful and important work, but it is incumbent upon you to continue engaging in what you have already engaged in with reasonable counterpoints. Otherwise, if you are not willing to put that subsequent work in, don't do the first, easier part.
KettleMettle ( talk) 09:38, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
Version 1. Hummingbirds are the smallest known and smallest living avian theropod (typo corrected) dinosaurs. [1] [2] [3]
Version 2. Hummingbirds include the smallest living birds, as well as the smallest birds ever known. Since birds comprise a lineage of theropod dinosaurs, [1] and no smaller non-avian dinosaur is known, [4] [5] hummingbirds are also the smallest known dinosaurs ever to have existed.
Version 3. Hummingbirds are the smallest living birds.(unsourced)
Version 4. As the smallest bird in a lineage of theropod dinosaurs, hummingbirds are the smallest known and smallest living dinosaurs. [1] [3]
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In that section, "pmid = 14556561" appears in plain text. I know its supposed to be some sort of reference, but I couldn't figure out how to fix it. 74.132.8.133 ( talk) 20:55, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
Fixed - Seems the PMID was incorrectly entered.
This is a 2020 replacement, containing summary information stating the threshold is 5+ Gz for blackout in pilots.
In this reference citing a 1955 study, Clark says the threshold for pilot blackout is 7+ Gz.
Zefr (
talk)
22:32, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
I looked through Wikimedia Commons for a simple audio file to include with the humming section added today, but there is nothing there. If any enthusiasts following this article have a short audio file to contribute, please upload it to Commons, and notify here. Thanks. Zefr ( talk) 17:17, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
In Lifespan the text states:
However, chameleons do not occur naturally in the americas, and hummingbirds don't occur naturally in Africa and Eurasia, where chameleons are found. None of the references provided say this and I propose to delete that statement. MFdeS ( talk) 02:44, 4 November 2021 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 28 March 2022 and 17 June 2022. Further details are available
on the course page. Student editor(s):
Jillianheichel2 (
article contribs).
— Assignment last updated by Gonet99 ( talk) 19:16, 13 June 2022 (UTC)
Hi there - I'm the lead author of the paper cited for hummingbirds using monoterpene volatiles to find flowers (Byers et al 2014), which was not what the paper found - we found that bumblebees were attracted to these volatiles (which are produced by the petals, not the nectar), but did not do any studies with hummingbirds and previous data suggests they do not have a very good sense of smell anyway. Could someone remove this sentence, please? I'd do it myself but that feels conflict-of-interest-y...? 80.189.6.106 ( talk) 18:24, 2 August 2022 (UTC)
so many topics ---- modern_primat ඞඞඞ TALK 15:22, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
Done.
Zefr (
talk)
19:52, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
This split into a separate article (not that it is handled as a split - it's just duplicated material) seems unnecessary. About half the material, "Locations", is copied straight from Hummingbird#Migration; the rest, the "Reasons" section plus the end of the lede, could be added to the source article without problem. - If a separate article were required, then Hummingbird#Migration would need to be edited down to a short summary and linked there. The current setup is unsuitable. -- Elmidae ( talk · contribs) 09:39, 21 January 2023 (UTC) Elmidae ( talk · contribs) 09:39, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
I will edit down the migration section in the main Hummingbird page rather than have the Hummingbird migration moved into the main page. I feel hummingbird migration is notable enough to warrant its own page. I would rather have the migration page be revised and expanded, as opposed to merging into the main page. I don't have the time to increase it further, so hopefully some of you can increase and expand it with new facts and info. Anderswarr ( talk) 13:25, 21 January 2023 (PT)
This article states that the rufous hummingbird has been sighted in the Chukchi Peninsula, but Big_Diomede#Fauna suggests that it should be on the island, which is part of the Chukotka Autonomous Okrug but not part of the Peninsula. The article refers to BOW, which I am not subscribed to. Could anyone verify this information? ——🦝 The Interaccoonale Will be the raccoon race ( talk・ contribs) 00:40, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
I note the reference to the hummingbird hawk moth which has been mistaken for the hummingbird is found ONLY in Eurasian. There is a similar moth found in Australia that has also been mistaken for a hummingbird. Following are some websites which mention the moth found in Australia which has been mistaken for a hummingbird:
https://wildandpets.com/hummingbirds-in-australia/?expand_article=1
I personally saw one of these moths in Australia at dusk, and mistook it for a hummingbird even knowing we don't have hummingbirds here.
~~~ Tzali ( talk) 17:01, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
I have had very reasonable edits reverted twice. I am told to go to the talk page to discuss basic reasonable changes to a tiny sentence. I am directly lied to that this has been discussed at length, unless that is just referring to my single comment reply? Because it is literally not discussed here at all. And to top it off, the sentence contains a laughable and juvenile error that these editors are less interested in simply correcting than they are in exercising their power to revert edits (which we all have). It makes the article a farce, but sure, leave this obvious typo up. The fact that even this typo correction is not retained, or re-added manually, shows where the motivations of certain types lie.
So, let's discuss this. First, there is an obvious and laughable basic typo. It is properly spelled "theropod". Leave that if you like, to make a point or whatever, but it makes Wikipedia look shoddy. It is right at the start of the article, after the lede.
Second, this sentence is an abomination. The very phrase "avian theropod dinosaur" literally just means "bird", with an emphasis on their theropod and dinosaur affinities. All avians ARE theropods, and all theropods ARE dinosaurs, so it is also doubly redundant. It involves only a small number of words, sure, that's good, I guess. But I barely doubled the word count and provided a much more accurate and clear statement.
The real problem here is that it attempts to mash three statements together into one awkward, ambiguous, and unsightly phrase. These are: 1) That hummingbirds are the smallest birds (ever), 2) that birds are dinosaurs, and 3) that hummingbirds are the smallest of the dinosaurs (ever).
Although the second of these claims is by far the most ancillary, it is the ONLY one that has citations, and not only that, it has THREE separate ones. None of these even mention hummingbirds in any special respect (though two mention them in passing). Birds being dinosaurs is a highly tangential claim to anything discussed anywhere else in the article and certainly does not demand three separate sources. Claims like this in other articles, highly tangential and well-established, often go without citation at all.
The sources I provided are both DIRECTLY relevant, and both from reputable world-class authorities, to the question of small dinosaurs. The claim that hummingbirds are the smallest dinosaurs ever is really the one most in need of a source, and they are few and far between. If mine were inadequate, and there is no other adequate source, then this claim should not even be made in the article at all.
The very issue of dinosaurs to begin with is brought up randomly and needlessly. If it is brought up, these points must be clarified. Otherwise, it should not be brought up at all.
You owe it to Wikipedia to at least read this reply. I know it isn't as fun, easy, satisfying, and (somehow, sadly) fulfilling as just removing other people's edits in all of 5 seconds of very useful and important work, but it is incumbent upon you to continue engaging in what you have already engaged in with reasonable counterpoints. Otherwise, if you are not willing to put that subsequent work in, don't do the first, easier part.
KettleMettle ( talk) 09:38, 3 March 2024 (UTC)
Version 1. Hummingbirds are the smallest known and smallest living avian theropod (typo corrected) dinosaurs. [1] [2] [3]
Version 2. Hummingbirds include the smallest living birds, as well as the smallest birds ever known. Since birds comprise a lineage of theropod dinosaurs, [1] and no smaller non-avian dinosaur is known, [4] [5] hummingbirds are also the smallest known dinosaurs ever to have existed.
Version 3. Hummingbirds are the smallest living birds.(unsourced)
Version 4. As the smallest bird in a lineage of theropod dinosaurs, hummingbirds are the smallest known and smallest living dinosaurs. [1] [3]
References