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Does anyone even bother to read our guidelines anymore before creating articles. How about NOTNEWS, RECENTISM, 10YT. This is undoubtedly a tragic accident. And it is understandably getting a lot of immediate attention. But what are the odds of this being SUSTAINED? What is the likely long term significance of this event? Ten years from now how is this going to be more than a footnote in the history of tragic highway accidents? -
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How could you be so bloody ignorant? I can’t believe you would even bring this up. I personally knew one of the team members who passed away. Let me tell you, this is a massive deal not only in Saskatchewan, but in Canada where essentialy every city, big or small, revolves around Hockey. User:Martinillo ( talk) 19:44, 7 April 2018 UTC
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Could somebody who knows how please hat the above section? It's getting heated and causing needless upset to people, and the concerns initially raised appear to have been fully resolved. --BobTheIP editing as 88.111.218.152 ( talk) 23:31, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
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An intersection-level map would be a good idea, to show the configuration of the intersection of the crash, and some photos of the intersection. -- 70.51.203.56 ( talk) 01:54, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
I added a map that shows the crash site in relation with the two towns. The intersection is fairly unremarkable, 35 is a north-south highway and 335 is east-west. I think an intersection-level map of the site wouldn't be too useful, considering it's going to look like a + with a dot in the middle. That being said, anyone is welcome to add it using OSM Location map template. Acebulf ( talk) 09:22, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
The article states under 'Events' that, "According to the RCMP, the bus carried twenty-nine individuals at the time of the accident, including the driver, with fifteen being killed and fourteen suffering injuries (three of them critically)." I'm not entirely sure if this is correct. 14 were initially killed in the accident, one later died in hospital. That would make the death toll 15, but if I understand correctly the one who later died in hospital was one of the 3 critically injured. That would mean that 3 of the 15 injured were critically injured, one of which died from their injuries. I'll be making the edit to display such. Nanerz ( talk) 01:07, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
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What are your thoughts on the following line: "The President of the United States
Donald Trump phoned Trudeau, and subsequently tweeted,..."?
Should it be "President of the United States
Donald Trump phoned Trudeau, and subsequently tweeted,..." or left the way it is? I believe it to be grammatically correct the first way, finding the second to be seemingly incomplete.
I am asking as that is what an IP editor appears to believe. I initially
added back the "The" as it appeared to have accidentially been removed (since the majority of their edit was adding information about Royal condolences), however, they have since
removed it again. Because of this, I am seeking some consensus here. --
TheSandDoctor
Talk
03:04, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
Should the order of the maps be switched? The Saskatchewan map is pretty nondescript compared to, let's say, a Quebec map, where the shape could be recognized by more people. The Canada map might be more helpful for the majority of users. Isa ( talk) 20:35, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
Saskatchewan#Canada
to Canada#Saskatchewan
) would be better.
Isa (
talk)
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Just saw this article: http://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/humboldt-bus-crash-body-misidentified-xavier-labelle-is-alive-parker-tobin-dead/wcm/bab9b280-36e4-4adc-bfb2-13565d8d448b
The list will need to be updated. So sad. Larla77 ( talk) 13:57, 9 April 2017(UTC)
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Someone added this information into the article: "About 20 years earlier, a British Columbia family of six were killed at the same intersection. The ill-fated bus passed a 6 cross memorial just seconds before the collision. [1]" Which I feel is notable but it was placed in the opening paragraph under "Accident" right before the RCMP information which I felt was odd. Should this be placed under "See Also" or somewhere else on the page? This could go under aftermath as the article describes how there is now a call for better safety on the highway. HickoryOughtShirt?4 ( talk) 05:45, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
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The article states: "The bus suffered a T-bone collision with the truck where the truck hit the front side of the bus resulting in both vehicles ending on their side.[1]"
It may be a small point, but while the two vehicles collided at 90 degrees, we don't know yet that the truck hit the bus, and not the other way around. From pictures I've seen, the front half of the tractor is intact, whereas the trailer and the front half of the bus are not, suggesting it was the bus that hit the truck and trailer.
For these reasons, I think the article should be reworded to simply say that the two collided. Swaff ( talk) 01:21, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
@ Swaff: I support this line being removed or modified. It seems that the source used in [1] is based on hearsay anyway. Acebulf ( talk) 01:37, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
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This article identifies the truck company involved and has a lot of details about it. At a minimum, the fact its operations are suspended seems like relevant info. -- BobTheIP editing as 2.28.13.227 ( talk) 22:17, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
This source clarifies that the suspension was automatic, and qualifies the trucker's 'uninjured' status to confirm he suffered psychological injuries for which he is receiving treatment. -- BobTheIP editing as 2.28.13.227 ( talk) 18:44, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
Crash survivor Ryan Straschnitzki has stated to the media in an interview that the bus broadsided the semi, therefore creating a t-bone collision. Can someone please update this information as it is relevant to the scope of the crash' background. Thanks. Reference @ http://edmonton.citynews.ca/2018/04/09/humboldt-crash-survivor-what-happened/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.114.244.27 ( talk) 17:13, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Does anyone even bother to read our guidelines anymore before creating articles. How about NOTNEWS, RECENTISM, 10YT. This is undoubtedly a tragic accident. And it is understandably getting a lot of immediate attention. But what are the odds of this being SUSTAINED? What is the likely long term significance of this event? Ten years from now how is this going to be more than a footnote in the history of tragic highway accidents? -
Ad Orientem (
talk)
14:29, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
How could you be so bloody ignorant? I can’t believe you would even bring this up. I personally knew one of the team members who passed away. Let me tell you, this is a massive deal not only in Saskatchewan, but in Canada where essentialy every city, big or small, revolves around Hockey. User:Martinillo ( talk) 19:44, 7 April 2018 UTC
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Could somebody who knows how please hat the above section? It's getting heated and causing needless upset to people, and the concerns initially raised appear to have been fully resolved. --BobTheIP editing as 88.111.218.152 ( talk) 23:31, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
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An intersection-level map would be a good idea, to show the configuration of the intersection of the crash, and some photos of the intersection. -- 70.51.203.56 ( talk) 01:54, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
I added a map that shows the crash site in relation with the two towns. The intersection is fairly unremarkable, 35 is a north-south highway and 335 is east-west. I think an intersection-level map of the site wouldn't be too useful, considering it's going to look like a + with a dot in the middle. That being said, anyone is welcome to add it using OSM Location map template. Acebulf ( talk) 09:22, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
The article states under 'Events' that, "According to the RCMP, the bus carried twenty-nine individuals at the time of the accident, including the driver, with fifteen being killed and fourteen suffering injuries (three of them critically)." I'm not entirely sure if this is correct. 14 were initially killed in the accident, one later died in hospital. That would make the death toll 15, but if I understand correctly the one who later died in hospital was one of the 3 critically injured. That would mean that 3 of the 15 injured were critically injured, one of which died from their injuries. I'll be making the edit to display such. Nanerz ( talk) 01:07, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
What are your thoughts on the following line: "The President of the United States
Donald Trump phoned Trudeau, and subsequently tweeted,..."?
Should it be "President of the United States
Donald Trump phoned Trudeau, and subsequently tweeted,..." or left the way it is? I believe it to be grammatically correct the first way, finding the second to be seemingly incomplete.
I am asking as that is what an IP editor appears to believe. I initially
added back the "The" as it appeared to have accidentially been removed (since the majority of their edit was adding information about Royal condolences), however, they have since
removed it again. Because of this, I am seeking some consensus here. --
TheSandDoctor
Talk
03:04, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
Should the order of the maps be switched? The Saskatchewan map is pretty nondescript compared to, let's say, a Quebec map, where the shape could be recognized by more people. The Canada map might be more helpful for the majority of users. Isa ( talk) 20:35, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
Saskatchewan#Canada
to Canada#Saskatchewan
) would be better.
Isa (
talk)
02:19, 9 April 2018 (UTC)The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Just saw this article: http://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/humboldt-bus-crash-body-misidentified-xavier-labelle-is-alive-parker-tobin-dead/wcm/bab9b280-36e4-4adc-bfb2-13565d8d448b
The list will need to be updated. So sad. Larla77 ( talk) 13:57, 9 April 2017(UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Someone added this information into the article: "About 20 years earlier, a British Columbia family of six were killed at the same intersection. The ill-fated bus passed a 6 cross memorial just seconds before the collision. [1]" Which I feel is notable but it was placed in the opening paragraph under "Accident" right before the RCMP information which I felt was odd. Should this be placed under "See Also" or somewhere else on the page? This could go under aftermath as the article describes how there is now a call for better safety on the highway. HickoryOughtShirt?4 ( talk) 05:45, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
References
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The article states: "The bus suffered a T-bone collision with the truck where the truck hit the front side of the bus resulting in both vehicles ending on their side.[1]"
It may be a small point, but while the two vehicles collided at 90 degrees, we don't know yet that the truck hit the bus, and not the other way around. From pictures I've seen, the front half of the tractor is intact, whereas the trailer and the front half of the bus are not, suggesting it was the bus that hit the truck and trailer.
For these reasons, I think the article should be reworded to simply say that the two collided. Swaff ( talk) 01:21, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
@ Swaff: I support this line being removed or modified. It seems that the source used in [1] is based on hearsay anyway. Acebulf ( talk) 01:37, 8 April 2018 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
This article identifies the truck company involved and has a lot of details about it. At a minimum, the fact its operations are suspended seems like relevant info. -- BobTheIP editing as 2.28.13.227 ( talk) 22:17, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
This source clarifies that the suspension was automatic, and qualifies the trucker's 'uninjured' status to confirm he suffered psychological injuries for which he is receiving treatment. -- BobTheIP editing as 2.28.13.227 ( talk) 18:44, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
Crash survivor Ryan Straschnitzki has stated to the media in an interview that the bus broadsided the semi, therefore creating a t-bone collision. Can someone please update this information as it is relevant to the scope of the crash' background. Thanks. Reference @ http://edmonton.citynews.ca/2018/04/09/humboldt-crash-survivor-what-happened/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.114.244.27 ( talk) 17:13, 11 April 2018 (UTC)