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So, there is an argument (verging on a revert war) as to which version to use. One version with a lot of text, but not much citation and one version with very little text.
I'd like to make a few points clear:
Could you please lay out below your reasoning (with reference to Wikipedia policy if you wish) as to why each of your versions should be maintained as the working article. - FrancisTyers 00:07, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
While I do not necessarily support Wetman's version as is, I object strongly to simply blanking the whole thing and simply complaining that it "sucks". I also object to the obvious use of sockpuppets and anon IP accounts to try to get his way. The proper way to deal with an article with info you believe needs sources is to either detail the SPECIFICS here on the talk page or to label the individual sections on the article with facts tags... When this was attempted in the article by Wetman as a concilatory gapstop measure, the vandals simply blanked the article again. They (or, probably more accurately, he, as it's likely it's only one person playing sockpuppet games) have not done that, and so their edits must be undone as the vandalism and wholly unsupportable actions that they are. If Soo would like to take the time to be a real editor instead of a vandal and look for the sources himself, as I can guarantee that most of the article is common knowledge and not really lacking in support, then we'd have a better article. Instead he seems to have a problem with Wetman... which, OK, granted, I've had my problems with him in the past, but there's a right way and a wrong way to try to solve a dispute, and vandalism, name-calling, sockpuppeting, and refusing to follow policy are not the way to do it. DreamGuy 03:03, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Soo 02:25, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
It's clear from his edit comment here while reverting to Soo's version and his contribution history that User:JonONeill is a sockpuppet of User:Agentsoo. IT's quite likely that one or more of the anons on this discussion page and who were doing the exact same edits as Soo are also sockpuppets. That behavior is simply not acceptable here, so knock it off. Also, blanking is vandalism, if someone had a real dispute over content allegedly not being sourced, then they'd accepted the -fact- source tags, but those were balnked out too. Disputes need to be discussed and go through proper procedures, simply erasing tha majorit of the article and claiming it "sucks" is not at all following the policies here. DreamGuy 02:50, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Here is a preliminary list of issues with Wetman's version. Agentsoo and others, please add to it if you see fit. According to DreamGuy, the main author of that article has already said he is open to that once real discussion about perceived problems are raised. So lets get them raised! :) - FrancisTyers 03:33, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
I just looked over the article...clearly there is a great deal of work that needs to be done to make it encyclopedic, and a quick glance at the talk page shows that these issues are being hashed out. But this article has the potential to be utterly rad. What a great topic! Babajobu 01:49, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
I received a request to look at your article again. It's good to see some organization and citations. The largest part of the article, "Examples," is still diffuse. I suggest using subheadings and organizing this section by culture and chronology. Things may be contentious but you're on the right path. Best wishes, Durova 19:54, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
I made a few, somewhat unrelated, changes in a single edit a few moments ago, and just wanted to explain them. I replaced the {{verify}} tag with the {{copyedit}} tag. I felt there are ample sources on this page now, but some effort needs to be put into merging some choppy sentences, etc. I thought about doing this myself, but felt that if I added the copyedit tag that we could get some experienced copyeditors here. Also, I saw that there were multiple References sections, so I merged those. I also moved the "See Also" links to above the External and Reference links, so we're preferring internal links. This page has the potential to be great, and I wish its regular contributors the best of luck! EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 21:23, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
I was just messing around and typed in "death's head" in the search. I thought I was going to be sent to a disambiguation page but I was redirected here. I think there should be a disambiguation page for "death's head" because I know that there are at least two other things with that name (an Imperial Star Destroyer from Star Wars and the 2nd SS Panzer Division). I'd do it myself, but I don't know how! User:MrFuchs 18NOV06
hey could You add something about 'boy with skull' of lee clarke (there is no article about lee clarke <lol> !) or magnus enckell (i'm not sure); http://images.google.pl/images?q=boy+with+skull&ndsp=20&svnum=10&um=1&hl=pl&lr=&start=0&sa=N http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/art/cgfa/e/p-enckell1.htm
The article states that the Windows XP's Bliss wallpaper "contains hidden images of faces and skulls embedded in the clouds and grass." I looked and didn't really find any evidence of this myself. Does anyone else see "hidden images of faces and skulls" in the wallpaper?
Here is the original quote, I temporarily removed it from the article until it is verified:
"* Windows XP's Bliss wallpaper contains hidden images of faces and skulls embedded in the clouds and grass."
Blackviper91 ( talk) 21:48, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't we add at least a picture (with a caption explaining the symbolism) of Damian Hirst's diamond skull? 145.88.209.33 ( talk) 08:56, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
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So, there is an argument (verging on a revert war) as to which version to use. One version with a lot of text, but not much citation and one version with very little text.
I'd like to make a few points clear:
Could you please lay out below your reasoning (with reference to Wikipedia policy if you wish) as to why each of your versions should be maintained as the working article. - FrancisTyers 00:07, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
While I do not necessarily support Wetman's version as is, I object strongly to simply blanking the whole thing and simply complaining that it "sucks". I also object to the obvious use of sockpuppets and anon IP accounts to try to get his way. The proper way to deal with an article with info you believe needs sources is to either detail the SPECIFICS here on the talk page or to label the individual sections on the article with facts tags... When this was attempted in the article by Wetman as a concilatory gapstop measure, the vandals simply blanked the article again. They (or, probably more accurately, he, as it's likely it's only one person playing sockpuppet games) have not done that, and so their edits must be undone as the vandalism and wholly unsupportable actions that they are. If Soo would like to take the time to be a real editor instead of a vandal and look for the sources himself, as I can guarantee that most of the article is common knowledge and not really lacking in support, then we'd have a better article. Instead he seems to have a problem with Wetman... which, OK, granted, I've had my problems with him in the past, but there's a right way and a wrong way to try to solve a dispute, and vandalism, name-calling, sockpuppeting, and refusing to follow policy are not the way to do it. DreamGuy 03:03, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Soo 02:25, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
It's clear from his edit comment here while reverting to Soo's version and his contribution history that User:JonONeill is a sockpuppet of User:Agentsoo. IT's quite likely that one or more of the anons on this discussion page and who were doing the exact same edits as Soo are also sockpuppets. That behavior is simply not acceptable here, so knock it off. Also, blanking is vandalism, if someone had a real dispute over content allegedly not being sourced, then they'd accepted the -fact- source tags, but those were balnked out too. Disputes need to be discussed and go through proper procedures, simply erasing tha majorit of the article and claiming it "sucks" is not at all following the policies here. DreamGuy 02:50, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
Here is a preliminary list of issues with Wetman's version. Agentsoo and others, please add to it if you see fit. According to DreamGuy, the main author of that article has already said he is open to that once real discussion about perceived problems are raised. So lets get them raised! :) - FrancisTyers 03:33, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
I just looked over the article...clearly there is a great deal of work that needs to be done to make it encyclopedic, and a quick glance at the talk page shows that these issues are being hashed out. But this article has the potential to be utterly rad. What a great topic! Babajobu 01:49, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
I received a request to look at your article again. It's good to see some organization and citations. The largest part of the article, "Examples," is still diffuse. I suggest using subheadings and organizing this section by culture and chronology. Things may be contentious but you're on the right path. Best wishes, Durova 19:54, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
I made a few, somewhat unrelated, changes in a single edit a few moments ago, and just wanted to explain them. I replaced the {{verify}} tag with the {{copyedit}} tag. I felt there are ample sources on this page now, but some effort needs to be put into merging some choppy sentences, etc. I thought about doing this myself, but felt that if I added the copyedit tag that we could get some experienced copyeditors here. Also, I saw that there were multiple References sections, so I merged those. I also moved the "See Also" links to above the External and Reference links, so we're preferring internal links. This page has the potential to be great, and I wish its regular contributors the best of luck! EWS23 | (Leave me a message!) 21:23, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
I was just messing around and typed in "death's head" in the search. I thought I was going to be sent to a disambiguation page but I was redirected here. I think there should be a disambiguation page for "death's head" because I know that there are at least two other things with that name (an Imperial Star Destroyer from Star Wars and the 2nd SS Panzer Division). I'd do it myself, but I don't know how! User:MrFuchs 18NOV06
hey could You add something about 'boy with skull' of lee clarke (there is no article about lee clarke <lol> !) or magnus enckell (i'm not sure); http://images.google.pl/images?q=boy+with+skull&ndsp=20&svnum=10&um=1&hl=pl&lr=&start=0&sa=N http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/art/cgfa/e/p-enckell1.htm
The article states that the Windows XP's Bliss wallpaper "contains hidden images of faces and skulls embedded in the clouds and grass." I looked and didn't really find any evidence of this myself. Does anyone else see "hidden images of faces and skulls" in the wallpaper?
Here is the original quote, I temporarily removed it from the article until it is verified:
"* Windows XP's Bliss wallpaper contains hidden images of faces and skulls embedded in the clouds and grass."
Blackviper91 ( talk) 21:48, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't we add at least a picture (with a caption explaining the symbolism) of Damian Hirst's diamond skull? 145.88.209.33 ( talk) 08:56, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
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