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In the mini-RDT at Hull and Selby Railway#Description of the line, the mileages - other than those of Selby and Wressle - are all shown as x.65 - quite apart from the fact that we don't know if this is decimal miles (0.65 miles = 1144 yards) or chains (65 chains = 1430 yards), it seems an odd coincidence that the fractional distances should all be the same. I have found that Whishaw (p. 165) gives those exact distances, so WP:V applies, but could Whishaw have made an error? The modern mileages, measured from Hull (Paragon) are: Selby 30:79 (i.e. 30 miles 79 chains); Cliffe level crossing 28:02; Wressle 24:79; Howden 22:27; Eastrington 19:23; Gilberdyke (formerly Staddlethorpe) 16:76; Brough 10:38; Ferriby 7:42; Hessle 4:64; Hull 0:00. The fractions are not just different, they vary widely. -- Redrose64 ( talk)
ShakespeareFan00 ( talk) 09:58, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
WikiProject UK Railways talk page. In updating the figures I adjusted for the 18 or so chains difference between Paragon and Manor House Street.
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help page).(reindent - reply to original/all) I think the .65 s in Whishaw must either be a typsetting error, of, some sort or archaic notation. The info from the RCH and Network Rail Sectional Appendix are not relavent to the 1840 line - though they do appear to show there is something wrong with the figures. It might be best to leave the numbers out - until the .65 is made sense of.
(The original bridge was a bascule -see the Bray article, or the image. Both swing and bascule bridges can be counter balanced) Prof.Haddock ( talk) 20:11, 10 June 2014 (UTC) I couldn't find an appropiate icon for the bascule bridge - the only I could find was the "wrong way round". Prof.Haddock ( talk) 20:13, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
I've removed the mileages - it's clear there is somehting odd or wrong with Whishaw's numbers. I've left the original route (left) here for reference. Prof.Haddock ( talk) 20:40, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the input.
Shame there's no easy way of getting a definitve answer out of Network Rail/National Railway Museum. Presumably the LNER ended up with the original paperwo0rk and thence the NRM?
ShakespeareFan00 ( talk) 19:08, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
The section Hull and Selby Railway#Lease to the York and North Midland and Manchester and Leeds Railways (1845-1854) is at variance with
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help)On 28 December 1843 the M & L [Manchester & Leeds Railway] held a special meeting to consider amalgamating with the Hull & Selby Railway and working under one management on a joint account from 31 December. ... From 1 January 1844 the business of the M & L and the Hull & Selby was so conducted as to allow of it being back-dated as soon as parliamentary powers had been obtained for amalgamation. However, when the Hull & Selby discovered that it was expected to share in the absorption of the Manchester & Bolton, the Wakefield Pontefract & Goole and also the proposed Leeds & West Riding Junction, it withdrew from the agreement and became associated with the Y & NM [York & North Midland] from 30 June 1845, amalgamation following under the Act of 27 July 1846. ( Marshall 1969, p. 58)
The "absorption of the Manchester & Bolton, the Wakefield Pontefract & Goole and also the proposed Leeds & West Riding Junction" referred to here is the amalgamation by which the Manchester & Leeds Railway became the Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway. Marshall does not mention the Hull & Selby again, and so it is unlikely that the M&LR (or LYR) exercised its powers to lease the Hull & Selby. --
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12:58, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
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In the mini-RDT at Hull and Selby Railway#Description of the line, the mileages - other than those of Selby and Wressle - are all shown as x.65 - quite apart from the fact that we don't know if this is decimal miles (0.65 miles = 1144 yards) or chains (65 chains = 1430 yards), it seems an odd coincidence that the fractional distances should all be the same. I have found that Whishaw (p. 165) gives those exact distances, so WP:V applies, but could Whishaw have made an error? The modern mileages, measured from Hull (Paragon) are: Selby 30:79 (i.e. 30 miles 79 chains); Cliffe level crossing 28:02; Wressle 24:79; Howden 22:27; Eastrington 19:23; Gilberdyke (formerly Staddlethorpe) 16:76; Brough 10:38; Ferriby 7:42; Hessle 4:64; Hull 0:00. The fractions are not just different, they vary widely. -- Redrose64 ( talk)
ShakespeareFan00 ( talk) 09:58, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
WikiProject UK Railways talk page. In updating the figures I adjusted for the 18 or so chains difference between Paragon and Manor House Street.
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map1
was invoked but never defined (see the
help page).(reindent - reply to original/all) I think the .65 s in Whishaw must either be a typsetting error, of, some sort or archaic notation. The info from the RCH and Network Rail Sectional Appendix are not relavent to the 1840 line - though they do appear to show there is something wrong with the figures. It might be best to leave the numbers out - until the .65 is made sense of.
(The original bridge was a bascule -see the Bray article, or the image. Both swing and bascule bridges can be counter balanced) Prof.Haddock ( talk) 20:11, 10 June 2014 (UTC) I couldn't find an appropiate icon for the bascule bridge - the only I could find was the "wrong way round". Prof.Haddock ( talk) 20:13, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
I've removed the mileages - it's clear there is somehting odd or wrong with Whishaw's numbers. I've left the original route (left) here for reference. Prof.Haddock ( talk) 20:40, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the input.
Shame there's no easy way of getting a definitve answer out of Network Rail/National Railway Museum. Presumably the LNER ended up with the original paperwo0rk and thence the NRM?
ShakespeareFan00 ( talk) 19:08, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
The section Hull and Selby Railway#Lease to the York and North Midland and Manchester and Leeds Railways (1845-1854) is at variance with
{{
cite book}}
: Invalid |ref=harv
(
help)On 28 December 1843 the M & L [Manchester & Leeds Railway] held a special meeting to consider amalgamating with the Hull & Selby Railway and working under one management on a joint account from 31 December. ... From 1 January 1844 the business of the M & L and the Hull & Selby was so conducted as to allow of it being back-dated as soon as parliamentary powers had been obtained for amalgamation. However, when the Hull & Selby discovered that it was expected to share in the absorption of the Manchester & Bolton, the Wakefield Pontefract & Goole and also the proposed Leeds & West Riding Junction, it withdrew from the agreement and became associated with the Y & NM [York & North Midland] from 30 June 1845, amalgamation following under the Act of 27 July 1846. ( Marshall 1969, p. 58)
The "absorption of the Manchester & Bolton, the Wakefield Pontefract & Goole and also the proposed Leeds & West Riding Junction" referred to here is the amalgamation by which the Manchester & Leeds Railway became the Lancashire & Yorkshire Railway. Marshall does not mention the Hull & Selby again, and so it is unlikely that the M&LR (or LYR) exercised its powers to lease the Hull & Selby. --
Redrose64 (
talk)
12:58, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Hull and Selby Railway/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
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