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This britsh area bombing directive nr. 42 lead to a systimatical attacking of the geman civil populatiuon. the british attacks were concentrated on workingclass quarters and midivael citycenters. The goal was pure terror against civilians. The amount of civilian loses were enormous. In Hamburg (55.000 dead, in Dresden betwenn 25.000 and 35.000 dead, in Pforzheim 20.277 dead ,31,4 % of all inhabitants, in Darmstadt 12.500 dead, 66.000 homeless out of former 110.000 inhabitants, Kassel 10.000 dead, Heilbronn 6500 dead, Würzburg 8500 dead etc. Churcill, Harris, Lindmann and many other bristish politicians and military personell was not sentenced for his warcrimes after the war.-- Kastorius 16:44, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Many of the listed bombing raids were made in response to similar German raids, but this really does have very little to do with Trenchard.-- 86.135.32.176 18:26, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
It's true that Trenchard wasn't directly involved in the bombing policies implemented by Allied air forces during WW.II. However, he had been a forceful advocate of strategic bombing as an instrument of war and it was largely due to his influence that this philosophy was established within the Royal Air Force, during it's formative years. Perhaps that should be noted in the main article. -- J.Fowler —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.145.241.235 ( talk) 11:30, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
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Hi! I will be reviewing this article for GA, and should have the full review up within a few hours. Dana boomer ( talk) 17:44, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Overall, this is a nice article. There are some issues with referencing and MOS that I would like addressed, and so I am putting this article on hold. When this is complete (or almost complete) I will do a thorough evaluation of the prose to pick up any issues I see there. If you have any questions, please feel free to let me know here on the review page or on my talk page. Dana boomer ( talk) 18:18, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm currently working on a run-through of the prose, and will list the issues I find below. I'm not listing them above because it's already getting rather crowded and making another list of issues within the existing list would probably lead to things being missed. I've done a copy-edit of the entire article, fixing grammar, punctuation, etc. If you don't like something I've changed, feel free to re-work my edit! So, here goes on the things that I didn't change, but had questions on:
I have finished the copyedit of the article. I've found a couple more prose issues, which I've added to the list above. When these items are completed (as well as the remaining ones in the main review above), this article will easily pass for GA. Dana boomer ( talk) 20:09, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
There has recently been a bit of reverting regarding whether orders of chivalry should be capitalized or not. My view is that:
Essentially, it's all to do with proper nouns. In the above sentence, "knight commander" is not a proper noun and so does not receive capitals. The Order of the Bath is a proper noun and so is capitalized in both cases. When a title is directly attached to a person then it becomes part of that person's name and so is a proper noun, otherwise it is not. Eg. "Commander McDougal is a doctor" (correct), doctor McDougal is a Commander (incorrect on both counts). Greenshed ( talk) 16:55, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
The recent addition to the article, cited from Lambert, Andrew - Admirals: The Naval Commanders Who Made Britain Great (2008):
is at odds with the other sources (Boyle et al) which make it clear that Trenchard argued directly with Beatty, making plain his view that, in principle, the air force should control all forms of military aviation. It seems unlikely (verging on the contradictory) that having put this point across, Trenchard would then immediately promise that that control over naval aviation would gradually return to the Admiralty. It also seems unlikely that Beatty would have accepted an argument which ran along the line of "you let me have all the aircraft and later I will let you have some of them back". Are there any other sources which back up Lambert? How much detail does Lambert go into on the Beatty - Trenchard exchanges? Generally, I suspect that Lambert is not correct on this point and that he makes the point to back up his anti-RAF view. Greenshed ( talk) 18:34, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Trenchard received an Order_of_the_Sacred_Treasure from Japan in 1921. Does anyone know why he received this? If he got it for helping the Japanese, and why would they give him a medal if he didn't, it could have been some of his reason for being so dissatisfied with his part in WWII. -- 68.44.13.238 ( talk) 12:17, 23 March 2010 (UTC)Chezzo Osman
Some similarities with Eddy V. Rickenbacker's biography, including age at death, caught my eye. Both having gone to the Alps, both recovering full use of legs after bobsleighing there, apparently point toward myth-making, and-or biography borrowing/elision in the public mind. This doesn't detract from the achievements of either aviation pioneer. Rickenbacker's definition of success(loss of interest/numbness to compliments, money, and publicity)is especially telling about the fellow. -Matthew Johnson —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.211.236.131 ( talk) 10:15, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
Apprently Dr. William Sheehan is writing a new biography on Trenchard (see http://www.amazon.co.uk/William-Sheehan/e/B001JOYT1C). This could well be of use in improving the article. Greenshed ( talk) 20:17, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
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Hello, just flicking through this article apropos of some work I'm doing on the politician Sir John Simon who worked for Trenchard in WW1. It might be worth commenting that Trenchard's falling out with Rothermere came at an absolutely febrile time amidst much mutual recrimination for the near-disaster of March-April 1918, culminating in the Maurice Debate. Northcliffe and Rothermere had been thorns in the government's flesh earlier in the war, but by this stage Lloyd George had "bought" them with political appointments, so the opposition had migrated to the "Morning Post"; there were some moves towards and attempted government press clampdown. Lloyd George's fears that elements in the military were plotting to bring down the government were exaggerated but not entirely without foundation - there is no doubt "Wully" conspired with Frederick Maurice to try to cause the government political difficulties. I don't really want to edit the article as I'm not an RAF specialist and I don't want to clog it up with endless more stuff. It might be interesting to know the degree, if there is any evidence, to which Trenchard was in touch with others. Paulturtle ( talk) 18:48, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
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This article was written in British English with Oxford spelling. User:Juanpumpchump wants to change this (see the user's edits in the article's edit history). MOS:RETAIN states that "An article should not be edited or renamed simply to switch from one variety of English to another." Greenshed ( talk) 21:30, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
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This britsh area bombing directive nr. 42 lead to a systimatical attacking of the geman civil populatiuon. the british attacks were concentrated on workingclass quarters and midivael citycenters. The goal was pure terror against civilians. The amount of civilian loses were enormous. In Hamburg (55.000 dead, in Dresden betwenn 25.000 and 35.000 dead, in Pforzheim 20.277 dead ,31,4 % of all inhabitants, in Darmstadt 12.500 dead, 66.000 homeless out of former 110.000 inhabitants, Kassel 10.000 dead, Heilbronn 6500 dead, Würzburg 8500 dead etc. Churcill, Harris, Lindmann and many other bristish politicians and military personell was not sentenced for his warcrimes after the war.-- Kastorius 16:44, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Many of the listed bombing raids were made in response to similar German raids, but this really does have very little to do with Trenchard.-- 86.135.32.176 18:26, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
It's true that Trenchard wasn't directly involved in the bombing policies implemented by Allied air forces during WW.II. However, he had been a forceful advocate of strategic bombing as an instrument of war and it was largely due to his influence that this philosophy was established within the Royal Air Force, during it's formative years. Perhaps that should be noted in the main article. -- J.Fowler —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.145.241.235 ( talk) 11:30, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
The following comments have been copied from my talk page:
I have responded here:
Hi! I will be reviewing this article for GA, and should have the full review up within a few hours. Dana boomer ( talk) 17:44, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
Overall, this is a nice article. There are some issues with referencing and MOS that I would like addressed, and so I am putting this article on hold. When this is complete (or almost complete) I will do a thorough evaluation of the prose to pick up any issues I see there. If you have any questions, please feel free to let me know here on the review page or on my talk page. Dana boomer ( talk) 18:18, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm currently working on a run-through of the prose, and will list the issues I find below. I'm not listing them above because it's already getting rather crowded and making another list of issues within the existing list would probably lead to things being missed. I've done a copy-edit of the entire article, fixing grammar, punctuation, etc. If you don't like something I've changed, feel free to re-work my edit! So, here goes on the things that I didn't change, but had questions on:
I have finished the copyedit of the article. I've found a couple more prose issues, which I've added to the list above. When these items are completed (as well as the remaining ones in the main review above), this article will easily pass for GA. Dana boomer ( talk) 20:09, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
There has recently been a bit of reverting regarding whether orders of chivalry should be capitalized or not. My view is that:
Essentially, it's all to do with proper nouns. In the above sentence, "knight commander" is not a proper noun and so does not receive capitals. The Order of the Bath is a proper noun and so is capitalized in both cases. When a title is directly attached to a person then it becomes part of that person's name and so is a proper noun, otherwise it is not. Eg. "Commander McDougal is a doctor" (correct), doctor McDougal is a Commander (incorrect on both counts). Greenshed ( talk) 16:55, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
The recent addition to the article, cited from Lambert, Andrew - Admirals: The Naval Commanders Who Made Britain Great (2008):
is at odds with the other sources (Boyle et al) which make it clear that Trenchard argued directly with Beatty, making plain his view that, in principle, the air force should control all forms of military aviation. It seems unlikely (verging on the contradictory) that having put this point across, Trenchard would then immediately promise that that control over naval aviation would gradually return to the Admiralty. It also seems unlikely that Beatty would have accepted an argument which ran along the line of "you let me have all the aircraft and later I will let you have some of them back". Are there any other sources which back up Lambert? How much detail does Lambert go into on the Beatty - Trenchard exchanges? Generally, I suspect that Lambert is not correct on this point and that he makes the point to back up his anti-RAF view. Greenshed ( talk) 18:34, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Trenchard received an Order_of_the_Sacred_Treasure from Japan in 1921. Does anyone know why he received this? If he got it for helping the Japanese, and why would they give him a medal if he didn't, it could have been some of his reason for being so dissatisfied with his part in WWII. -- 68.44.13.238 ( talk) 12:17, 23 March 2010 (UTC)Chezzo Osman
Some similarities with Eddy V. Rickenbacker's biography, including age at death, caught my eye. Both having gone to the Alps, both recovering full use of legs after bobsleighing there, apparently point toward myth-making, and-or biography borrowing/elision in the public mind. This doesn't detract from the achievements of either aviation pioneer. Rickenbacker's definition of success(loss of interest/numbness to compliments, money, and publicity)is especially telling about the fellow. -Matthew Johnson —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.211.236.131 ( talk) 10:15, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
Apprently Dr. William Sheehan is writing a new biography on Trenchard (see http://www.amazon.co.uk/William-Sheehan/e/B001JOYT1C). This could well be of use in improving the article. Greenshed ( talk) 20:17, 24 February 2011 (UTC)
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Hello, just flicking through this article apropos of some work I'm doing on the politician Sir John Simon who worked for Trenchard in WW1. It might be worth commenting that Trenchard's falling out with Rothermere came at an absolutely febrile time amidst much mutual recrimination for the near-disaster of March-April 1918, culminating in the Maurice Debate. Northcliffe and Rothermere had been thorns in the government's flesh earlier in the war, but by this stage Lloyd George had "bought" them with political appointments, so the opposition had migrated to the "Morning Post"; there were some moves towards and attempted government press clampdown. Lloyd George's fears that elements in the military were plotting to bring down the government were exaggerated but not entirely without foundation - there is no doubt "Wully" conspired with Frederick Maurice to try to cause the government political difficulties. I don't really want to edit the article as I'm not an RAF specialist and I don't want to clog it up with endless more stuff. It might be interesting to know the degree, if there is any evidence, to which Trenchard was in touch with others. Paulturtle ( talk) 18:48, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
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This article was written in British English with Oxford spelling. User:Juanpumpchump wants to change this (see the user's edits in the article's edit history). MOS:RETAIN states that "An article should not be edited or renamed simply to switch from one variety of English to another." Greenshed ( talk) 21:30, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
Hi, you obviously feel that strong about the subject then lets leave it there and no need for any edit war etc.
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