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Removal of pertinent, sourced info: Generally speaking, don't. — LlywelynII 13:51, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
[ec] Specifically, in this case,
is the less pertinent information, as it is just vague editorializing.
is specific, sourced action that speaks both to the depth of the distaste (his own archdeacon) and to his relationship with Herbert (whom he effectively bankrupted and forced into exile a few years later.) If we're removing things, remove the fluff. — LlywelynII 13:55, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
Would appreciate some outside voices as to the relevancy of a recent sourced edit to the page. (Specifically, a papal appeal that speaks to the seriousness of some opposition and bad blood that eventually caused one cleric to bankrupt and exile another... but the appeal itself failed.) — LlywelynII 14:01, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
Despite being chosen as archbishop without consultation from the bishops, who normally claimed the right to help decide the new archbishop,<ref name=Jones35>Jones ''King John and Magna Carta'' p. 35</ref> Hubert's delegation to Pope [[Pope Celestine III|Celestine III]] returned with his [[pallium]], the symbol of his archiepiscopal authority, in October{{refn|According to [[Roger of Hoveden]], after an unsuccessful challenge to his election by the [[archdeacon of Canterbury|archdeacon]] [[Herbert Poore]].<ref name=DNBPoore>Kingsford and Kemp "Herbert Poore" ''Oxford Dictionary of National Biography''</ref>}} and he was [[enthronement#religious ceremonies|enthroned]] at Canterbury on 7 November 1193.<ref name=Young45>Young ''Hubert Walter'' p. 45</ref>
Personally, I think that's helpful without giving UNDUE attention to the point but
Op seemed to agree with you. (Note also some minor changes to include or not: your sources clarify that his delegation of monks received the pallium from the pope rather than a personal visit, which is worth noting; removal of the gloss on pallium (it's uncommon, sure, but it's linked for the curious); inclusion of a link to treatment of episcopal enthronement (most people associate it with kings but would confuse that with coronation); the caveat about Roger being our source but spelling his name according to our article on him.) —
LlywelynII 02:16, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
LlywelynII, I'm not expert on this topic, but I'll watch the discussion here and see whether I can make a sensible contribution. However, I wanted to post here to comment on your approach. It's fine to edit featured articles; they can always be improved, as we all know. But please follow BRD. If you're reverted, don't start an edit war; please come to the talk page instead. There are lots of reasons to do it that way, and very few good reasons to re-insert your edit. There's no deadline. Please consider changing your approach, and as a matter of politeness I'd suggest you revert your own edits and make the case for them here. Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 16:45, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
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Removal of pertinent, sourced info: Generally speaking, don't. — LlywelynII 13:51, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
[ec] Specifically, in this case,
is the less pertinent information, as it is just vague editorializing.
is specific, sourced action that speaks both to the depth of the distaste (his own archdeacon) and to his relationship with Herbert (whom he effectively bankrupted and forced into exile a few years later.) If we're removing things, remove the fluff. — LlywelynII 13:55, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
Would appreciate some outside voices as to the relevancy of a recent sourced edit to the page. (Specifically, a papal appeal that speaks to the seriousness of some opposition and bad blood that eventually caused one cleric to bankrupt and exile another... but the appeal itself failed.) — LlywelynII 14:01, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
Despite being chosen as archbishop without consultation from the bishops, who normally claimed the right to help decide the new archbishop,<ref name=Jones35>Jones ''King John and Magna Carta'' p. 35</ref> Hubert's delegation to Pope [[Pope Celestine III|Celestine III]] returned with his [[pallium]], the symbol of his archiepiscopal authority, in October{{refn|According to [[Roger of Hoveden]], after an unsuccessful challenge to his election by the [[archdeacon of Canterbury|archdeacon]] [[Herbert Poore]].<ref name=DNBPoore>Kingsford and Kemp "Herbert Poore" ''Oxford Dictionary of National Biography''</ref>}} and he was [[enthronement#religious ceremonies|enthroned]] at Canterbury on 7 November 1193.<ref name=Young45>Young ''Hubert Walter'' p. 45</ref>
Personally, I think that's helpful without giving UNDUE attention to the point but
Op seemed to agree with you. (Note also some minor changes to include or not: your sources clarify that his delegation of monks received the pallium from the pope rather than a personal visit, which is worth noting; removal of the gloss on pallium (it's uncommon, sure, but it's linked for the curious); inclusion of a link to treatment of episcopal enthronement (most people associate it with kings but would confuse that with coronation); the caveat about Roger being our source but spelling his name according to our article on him.) —
LlywelynII 02:16, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
LlywelynII, I'm not expert on this topic, but I'll watch the discussion here and see whether I can make a sensible contribution. However, I wanted to post here to comment on your approach. It's fine to edit featured articles; they can always be improved, as we all know. But please follow BRD. If you're reverted, don't start an edit war; please come to the talk page instead. There are lots of reasons to do it that way, and very few good reasons to re-insert your edit. There's no deadline. Please consider changing your approach, and as a matter of politeness I'd suggest you revert your own edits and make the case for them here. Mike Christie ( talk - contribs - library) 16:45, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
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