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Is there any proof that the famous dialect-quote is really from Lyautey? Most other sources on the internet seem to attribute it to Max Weinreich or Joshua Fishman, see for example http://www.edu-cyberpg.com/Linguistics/armynavy.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.95.224.122 ( talk • contribs) 10:01, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
Max Weinreich clearly attributed the statement with which he is so frequently credited, to an auditor at one of his lectures. The description of that person does not appear to fit Joshua Fishman. See item 6 at http://shakti.trincoll.edu/~mendele/vol15/vol15022.htm. The attribution to Lyautey is also frequently made and chronologically he could be a prior source. However, the online assertions do not provide a bibliographic reference for Lyautey's statement. Can the author of the present article provide this?
I thought the tree quote was from Napoléon? At least I've seen it attributed to the emperor... fdewaele 30 May 2006, 16:00 CET.
Source needed. pascalvenier 19 December 2008 00:08 GMT. —Preceding undated comment was added at 00:09, 20 December 2008 (UTC).
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Without firm evidence I have removed this category. If he was indeed homosexual or bisexual, in late 19th century France this would have been a huge deal. V. Joe ( talk) 16:15, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
This sentence, which appears in the 'Early life' section, para 1, caught my eye:
"He made his career serving in the colonies and not in metropolitan France, a more prestigious assignment."
I presume that 'metropolitan France' was the 'more prestigious assignment', not 'the colonies'. If so, this part of the article could be made more clear by simply adding: 'which was' between 'France' and 'a'. I'd do it myself, but I don't want to change the meaning if it's wrong.
RASAM ( talk) 19:34, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
At times, both French and American officers (e.g. Gen. Maxwell Taylor) advocated the strategy of establishing fortified "enclaves" along the coast, and gradually working inland, until the whole country was supposedly pacified. Every time I have come across the French term, it has been expressed in English as if it were a stain, or a smudge, or a spot, but something messy. I'm not sure of the literary value of purposely using a negative image to express a positive goal. Now I'm reading Lyautey's letters, and it suddenly occurred to me that it might instead refer to pouring oil on "troubled waters" to calm them, which fits much better with the idea of pacification. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Terry J. Carter ( talk) 19:51, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
On the threat of war in 1914, he was quoted as telling his officers: 'They are completely mad. A war between Europeans is a civil war. This is the most monumental foolishness that they have ever done.' But then: 'Like many professional soldiers, he disliked the Third Republic, and welcomed the outbreak of war “because the politicians have shut up".'
Did he have a change of heart? Valetude ( talk) 18:10, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
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Is there any proof that the famous dialect-quote is really from Lyautey? Most other sources on the internet seem to attribute it to Max Weinreich or Joshua Fishman, see for example http://www.edu-cyberpg.com/Linguistics/armynavy.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.95.224.122 ( talk • contribs) 10:01, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
Max Weinreich clearly attributed the statement with which he is so frequently credited, to an auditor at one of his lectures. The description of that person does not appear to fit Joshua Fishman. See item 6 at http://shakti.trincoll.edu/~mendele/vol15/vol15022.htm. The attribution to Lyautey is also frequently made and chronologically he could be a prior source. However, the online assertions do not provide a bibliographic reference for Lyautey's statement. Can the author of the present article provide this?
I thought the tree quote was from Napoléon? At least I've seen it attributed to the emperor... fdewaele 30 May 2006, 16:00 CET.
Source needed. pascalvenier 19 December 2008 00:08 GMT. —Preceding undated comment was added at 00:09, 20 December 2008 (UTC).
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Without firm evidence I have removed this category. If he was indeed homosexual or bisexual, in late 19th century France this would have been a huge deal. V. Joe ( talk) 16:15, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
This sentence, which appears in the 'Early life' section, para 1, caught my eye:
"He made his career serving in the colonies and not in metropolitan France, a more prestigious assignment."
I presume that 'metropolitan France' was the 'more prestigious assignment', not 'the colonies'. If so, this part of the article could be made more clear by simply adding: 'which was' between 'France' and 'a'. I'd do it myself, but I don't want to change the meaning if it's wrong.
RASAM ( talk) 19:34, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
At times, both French and American officers (e.g. Gen. Maxwell Taylor) advocated the strategy of establishing fortified "enclaves" along the coast, and gradually working inland, until the whole country was supposedly pacified. Every time I have come across the French term, it has been expressed in English as if it were a stain, or a smudge, or a spot, but something messy. I'm not sure of the literary value of purposely using a negative image to express a positive goal. Now I'm reading Lyautey's letters, and it suddenly occurred to me that it might instead refer to pouring oil on "troubled waters" to calm them, which fits much better with the idea of pacification. Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Terry J. Carter ( talk) 19:51, 24 November 2013 (UTC)
On the threat of war in 1914, he was quoted as telling his officers: 'They are completely mad. A war between Europeans is a civil war. This is the most monumental foolishness that they have ever done.' But then: 'Like many professional soldiers, he disliked the Third Republic, and welcomed the outbreak of war “because the politicians have shut up".'
Did he have a change of heart? Valetude ( talk) 18:10, 22 February 2015 (UTC)