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Reviewer: Wizardman ( talk · contribs) 15:38, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
I'll go ahead and review this. I'll say right now that I do not believe the coverage is strong enough for GA status right now. Rather than quick-failing the article though, I'll help you and any other baseball guys willing to jump in as we try to get this to GA. To start, here's one example. I see that with the Orioles he had a stint where he became a starter and had great success, yet that ended as soon as it began. Certainly there's got to be something out there on his conversion to start, as well as his change back to reliever.
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15:38, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
As a second note, at the least there has to be at least something noted about each season. After mentioning his time in the rotation in 1960, it jumps to when he was traded in 1963. Can't be having gaps like that. Wizardman 01:12, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
Size-wise it looks better now, so I'll start up the prose and source review sometime int he next few days. Wizardman 17:27, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
Starting with the peripheral stuff, the article is stable, since a requested expansion wouldn't be considered article instability, and the two images are both public domain. The sources all appear appropriate, however I did see an AuthorHouse book. Now, the author seems prolific and known enough that it's ok, but that might be something that, at FAC, they would want you to steer away from. I spotchecked a couple sources and found no copyright violations, which leaves the prose to review next. Wizardman 22:49, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
For the early life section, I have no issues with the prose as is, sans a minor one: "He later recalled being dropped from a Class D minor league team and having the manager tell him to forget about the knuckleball, but he persisted with it.[6]" While fine, he only played in Class D until 1947, so having it at the end is iffy, I'd place it before the draft note. Also, the post-war minor league sections seem glossed over. After getting drafted, he rose up the minor league ranks as a starting pitcher. A bit more detail on those years would be nice, and I'd like to see something on when/why the Giants both brought him up to the major leagues finally, as well as why they made him a reliever. That happens all the time today, but it was a lot rarer back then so it's worth noting. Wizardman 14:07, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
Here's my early MLB career comment, as I only found one issue: "Wilhelm was a key piece of the pitching staff that led the 1954 Giants to a world championship. " This sentence just kind of floats here. I would either mesh it with his statline, which would show it, or add on his postseason performance onto the tail end of the paragraph, since that should be included (only time he was there in his career, just noticed that now). Wizardman 03:27, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
Here's the rest of the article:
I'll put the article on hold now, and after the above is fixed I'll do a read-through of the SABR bio, just to make sure there's nothing significant that was omitted in the article, then we should be good. Wizardman 03:01, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
This isn't something that necessarily has to be added into the article, but according to the SABR bio the Braves seemed to trade for him in 69 to help with a playoff push, yet due to the trade occurring in September they weren't able to use him in the playoffs. Puts the eight games he played there in more perspective. In any case, the article has come a long way, and it's a great deal better than when I first saw it. I'm now happy with passing it as a GA. Wizardman 12:47, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Wizardman ( talk · contribs) 15:38, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
I'll go ahead and review this. I'll say right now that I do not believe the coverage is strong enough for GA status right now. Rather than quick-failing the article though, I'll help you and any other baseball guys willing to jump in as we try to get this to GA. To start, here's one example. I see that with the Orioles he had a stint where he became a starter and had great success, yet that ended as soon as it began. Certainly there's got to be something out there on his conversion to start, as well as his change back to reliever.
Wizardman
15:38, 17 January 2015 (UTC)
As a second note, at the least there has to be at least something noted about each season. After mentioning his time in the rotation in 1960, it jumps to when he was traded in 1963. Can't be having gaps like that. Wizardman 01:12, 18 January 2015 (UTC)
Size-wise it looks better now, so I'll start up the prose and source review sometime int he next few days. Wizardman 17:27, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
Starting with the peripheral stuff, the article is stable, since a requested expansion wouldn't be considered article instability, and the two images are both public domain. The sources all appear appropriate, however I did see an AuthorHouse book. Now, the author seems prolific and known enough that it's ok, but that might be something that, at FAC, they would want you to steer away from. I spotchecked a couple sources and found no copyright violations, which leaves the prose to review next. Wizardman 22:49, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
For the early life section, I have no issues with the prose as is, sans a minor one: "He later recalled being dropped from a Class D minor league team and having the manager tell him to forget about the knuckleball, but he persisted with it.[6]" While fine, he only played in Class D until 1947, so having it at the end is iffy, I'd place it before the draft note. Also, the post-war minor league sections seem glossed over. After getting drafted, he rose up the minor league ranks as a starting pitcher. A bit more detail on those years would be nice, and I'd like to see something on when/why the Giants both brought him up to the major leagues finally, as well as why they made him a reliever. That happens all the time today, but it was a lot rarer back then so it's worth noting. Wizardman 14:07, 24 January 2015 (UTC)
Here's my early MLB career comment, as I only found one issue: "Wilhelm was a key piece of the pitching staff that led the 1954 Giants to a world championship. " This sentence just kind of floats here. I would either mesh it with his statline, which would show it, or add on his postseason performance onto the tail end of the paragraph, since that should be included (only time he was there in his career, just noticed that now). Wizardman 03:27, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
Here's the rest of the article:
I'll put the article on hold now, and after the above is fixed I'll do a read-through of the SABR bio, just to make sure there's nothing significant that was omitted in the article, then we should be good. Wizardman 03:01, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
This isn't something that necessarily has to be added into the article, but according to the SABR bio the Braves seemed to trade for him in 69 to help with a playoff push, yet due to the trade occurring in September they weren't able to use him in the playoffs. Puts the eight games he played there in more perspective. In any case, the article has come a long way, and it's a great deal better than when I first saw it. I'm now happy with passing it as a GA. Wizardman 12:47, 30 January 2015 (UTC)