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Would someone please tell me who keeps changing the middle name to Lawrence? Ask him yourself: it's Louis. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.209.250.9 ( talk) 21:09, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
The article lists his full name as "Howard Louis Carr, Jr.," but in an introduction to his show, the anouncer says (in an exaggerated Boston accent) "Howard Lawrence Carr." Does anyone know if his middle name is Louis or Lawrence? Also, is it Jr., or not? I'm guessing that it's Lawrence, since I don't see why he'd have the wrong name announced on his own promo/intro. I'm changing it to Lawrence, and dropping the Jr. Of course, this now contradicts the part of the article where it lists his father as Howard Louis Carr, Sr. Beat's me, figure it out.
Why are you so "hot under the collar" to exclude it? I have no strong feelings one about this fued, but a fued between two leading Boston media personalities seems important enough to include, and you have not provided any compelling reason to exclude it. Certainly it seems more important than the number on Carr's license plate or the fact that Carr counts the number of "uh"s in Ted Kennedy's speeches. I've added the fued to Barnicle's page as well. I would have added it earlier, but as I noted in an edit summary, I only just found Barnicle's article because I've been spelling his name wrong. Gamaliel 16:47, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
Gamaliel clearly has a liberal bias and he is allowing a the quote because Carr is a clear opponent Bill Clinton. If you want Barnicle quotes, make a page for him. But in the meantime, keep that crap out of someone else's bio. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.60.52.200 ( talk • contribs) {{{2}}}.
I've been watching that edit war from the sidelines and was wondering about it, as a notation once said that it was used by people calling the Chumpline. If enough Chumpline callers use that specific nickname for him, shouldn't it be included among the list? Since I haven't been able to listen to the show for numerous years (I left the WXTK staff in 1998), I don't know as much about current trends on the show, and wanted to know the controversy surrounding the nickname, and why it should or shouldn't be included. -- EmiOfBrie 17:40, 1 November 2005 (CST)
I think it is because "Fat Bastard" is the nickname Carr coined/uses to describe the senior senator from Massachusetts ( Ted Kennedy). I don't see anything wrong with including it in context; saying its is only used by some Chumpline callers, Carr doesn't go by the nickname, and that he primarily uses it to describe Sen. Kennedy. Assawyer 00:04, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
While the referenced howie carr website DOES show that Howie Carr denies the accusations, it doesn't show that there is "no proof this ever happened". If you can cite the total lack of proof thats great, otherwise I think we will have to leave it at him denying it. If you prefer I would also support strengthening the statement by howie carr, perhaps "he unilaterally denys this, saying there is no proof."- Lanoitarus (talk) .:. 22:25, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Do not need to cite proof it did not happen, you need to prove it did to include it. If you have no proof and he has denied it, please provide your source of information that he did. Otherwise any accusations can be included with a demand for proof they did not.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.147.103.146 ( talk • contribs) {{{2}}}.
I tend to agree with User:24.147.103.146, however I think it is notable that there is nothing in the Globe article other than the contention that Carr gave out the phone number. There is no context of when or in what context Carr gave out the number. The assertion should have the appropriate information to back it up. Wikipedia is not the place for unfounded assertions, and I believe that if the reference to Carr giving out the phone number cannot be substantiated by facts, it should be removed. Assawyer 01:01, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
There is no concrete evidence either way. What there is concrete evidence of is that the globe claims this happened and howie carr claims it did not. Since both the Boston Globe and Howie Carr are relatively reputible sources concerning howie carr, I think both assertions should be included. Note that our article does not anywhere actually claim this happened, just that the globe said it did. It likewise does not claim it did not happen, just that howie said it didnt. As an encyclopedia the correct thing to do in the case of unverifiable situations is present both sides of the argument, not jump to our own conclusions either way. Making any further claims (in either direction) without sources would not be prudent. - Lanoitarus (talk) .:. 01:21, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
I agree, thank you Lanoitarus. Can you imagine what it is like to have people you don't even know making claims about you and to have no say in the matter? Just because someone is well known don't think they are not people also. The last thing I have to state is that just because it was in a newspaper does not make it true. We have all seen this recently at the New York Times, The Boston Globe, and other papers. I think the quote is something like "history's first draft" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.147.103.146 ( talk • contribs) {{{2}}}.
Apparently, Howie Carr is sicking some flunkies out after Wikipedia and other websites to claim that anything connected with the Irish mob of Boston is stolen from him!!!
Believe it or not but this is what is happening, apart from some articles that did take paragraphs verbatim from his site, Carr has a flunkie claiming facts as copyrighted information, claiming public domain police photographs as copyrighted material belonging to Carr and generally being a vandal and a pain accusing everyone of stealing who have worked on these articles.
It is not a mistake that this anonymous person is representing Carr because Carr's photographs are now watermarked!
This is a black mark against Carr in my opinion. I guess he isn't joking on the radio when he expresses how cheap he is!!! Dwain 21:33, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Perhaps you should stop stealing his material and write your own. I'd advise you to contact Michael Snow or James Wales if you feel that any of the material taken down was not stolen from Howie Carr. Black mark? I'd consider the source.
Look, I'm sure Carr did deny the charge that he gave out Barincle's phone number. But can we have a citation please for this? In an article like this one, which is under attack by anonymous Carr defenders who want to sanitize the article, I don't think it's unreasonable not to take unreferenced claims on faith. Gamaliel 22:35, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
I'm not quite sure why my contribution that Howie Carr is now married to his second wife was reverted. I heard this on Howie Carr's own radio program. Lanoitarus you say that he has refuted this however, when a radio caller called in and mentioned his messy divorce, Howie made no refutations at all. He didn't say it was not true he seemed peeved but all he said was "I can't talk about it." That does not sound like someone who was not married previously. It was a perfect time to put this to bed if it was not true. It seemed obviously true. I thought for legal reasons he couldn't talk about his divorce because of how and what he said. Dwain 20:32, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
This section is so hard to read it just needs to be cleaned up. That's all I'll say. -- WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 03:19, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
I removed the "previously married" bit because having a second wife means that you were married once before (whether divorced or a widower). Also the operation to prevent conception is "vasectomy". I'm not sure what that has to do with anything, and whether or not it can be proven to have occured and for what reasons. Dubhdara 04:04, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
This section is becoming nothing more than a list of vitriolic barbs at local Massachusetts politicians. It smacks of heavy handed POV and adds little to the article. Dubhdara 05:02, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
I'd rather see the section remove the names and just read that Carr indulges in "Viriolic barbs at local Massachusetts politicians." If you had an article on child pornography you wouldn't need to show it. The article is being used to add Carr's POV and agenda to wikipedia. Dubhdara 21:22, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
I have removed nicknames and have moved them to The Howie Carr Show page where they belong.-- Lowell978
There is no need for a citation on the "Cousin of Nick Mavodones side-note", I am the one who originally added that information. I am Howie's third cousin, and Nick Mavodones is my uncle, so as you can see, that is correct, I AM the citation. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 204.10.46.254 ( talk) 02:52, 2 May 2007 (UTC).
Who is to say what is lenient and what is not? The parenthetical reference "the claim of a history of lenient sentencing was incorrect" should not be included, or should include a source that shows a history of handing out life sentences for OUI. Chriscrutch 21:43, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Should a mention be put in how Carr was nominated by former Gov Romney as a trustee at U Mass Amherst to force Billy Bulger out? Kirin4 19:31, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
I agree that is sufficent. Tannim2 ( talk) 17:29, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
At the start of the 2000 presidential campaign, Carr supported John McCain for the Republican nomination. Just before the New Hampshire primary, numerous callers were telling him that he should support Bush. At one point, the exasperated Carr told one caller: "Do you really want to see Jethro Bodine [of 'The Beverly Hillbillies'] as President?" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Italus ( talk • contribs) 01:34, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm surprised to see that Jerry Williams has no Wiki page. Jerry gave Howie his start in talk radio. It was back in 1992, when Dukakis was running for President against Bush. At the time, Gene Burns and Jerry Williams were the kings of Boston talk radio - both on 680 WRKO (David Brudnoy was not as big and he was on WBZ 1030). Gene came on weekdays at noon and Jerry came on after at 3 PM. Jerry Williams was truly one of talk radio's pioneers and he was the unchallenged king of skewering Massachusetts and Boston "hack" politicians. To razz Dukakis during '92 the campaign, Jerry started a weekly segment called "Tuesday afternnon with the Governors". For each weekly segment (I think it ran for about an hour) he was the head of his self-appointed triumverate of "Governors" consisting of himself, Howie Carr and Barbara Anderson (MA Citizens for Limited Taxation). The three of them would dicuss various MA government and political topics all the while reminding people that Dukakis was everywhere in the US (campaining) but not back home doing his MA governor's job. Later, from time to time, Howie and Barbara would guest host if Jerry was out but it was Howie who found a true radio voice and started to get slotted as a host. I have no time to source this for you, but I used to listen to them everyday for years, so these facts are pretty accurate. Tweedledee2011 ( talk) 04:37, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
See them here: http://wn.com/Howie_Carr
Tweedledee2011 ( talk) 04:55, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
This article says his "alma mater" is Deerfield Academy, but Deerfield Academy is a high school not a college, which is not the normal meaning of alma mater. Also it says he graduated from Deerfield Academy Phi Beta Kappa, but Phi Beta Kappa is exclusively for college. (I'm a member.) So my question is: where did he go to college? Bostoner ( talk) 02:16, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
Chapel hill. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.2.184.68 ( talk) 21:25, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
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Would someone please tell me who keeps changing the middle name to Lawrence? Ask him yourself: it's Louis. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.209.250.9 ( talk) 21:09, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
The article lists his full name as "Howard Louis Carr, Jr.," but in an introduction to his show, the anouncer says (in an exaggerated Boston accent) "Howard Lawrence Carr." Does anyone know if his middle name is Louis or Lawrence? Also, is it Jr., or not? I'm guessing that it's Lawrence, since I don't see why he'd have the wrong name announced on his own promo/intro. I'm changing it to Lawrence, and dropping the Jr. Of course, this now contradicts the part of the article where it lists his father as Howard Louis Carr, Sr. Beat's me, figure it out.
Why are you so "hot under the collar" to exclude it? I have no strong feelings one about this fued, but a fued between two leading Boston media personalities seems important enough to include, and you have not provided any compelling reason to exclude it. Certainly it seems more important than the number on Carr's license plate or the fact that Carr counts the number of "uh"s in Ted Kennedy's speeches. I've added the fued to Barnicle's page as well. I would have added it earlier, but as I noted in an edit summary, I only just found Barnicle's article because I've been spelling his name wrong. Gamaliel 16:47, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
Gamaliel clearly has a liberal bias and he is allowing a the quote because Carr is a clear opponent Bill Clinton. If you want Barnicle quotes, make a page for him. But in the meantime, keep that crap out of someone else's bio. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.60.52.200 ( talk • contribs) {{{2}}}.
I've been watching that edit war from the sidelines and was wondering about it, as a notation once said that it was used by people calling the Chumpline. If enough Chumpline callers use that specific nickname for him, shouldn't it be included among the list? Since I haven't been able to listen to the show for numerous years (I left the WXTK staff in 1998), I don't know as much about current trends on the show, and wanted to know the controversy surrounding the nickname, and why it should or shouldn't be included. -- EmiOfBrie 17:40, 1 November 2005 (CST)
I think it is because "Fat Bastard" is the nickname Carr coined/uses to describe the senior senator from Massachusetts ( Ted Kennedy). I don't see anything wrong with including it in context; saying its is only used by some Chumpline callers, Carr doesn't go by the nickname, and that he primarily uses it to describe Sen. Kennedy. Assawyer 00:04, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
While the referenced howie carr website DOES show that Howie Carr denies the accusations, it doesn't show that there is "no proof this ever happened". If you can cite the total lack of proof thats great, otherwise I think we will have to leave it at him denying it. If you prefer I would also support strengthening the statement by howie carr, perhaps "he unilaterally denys this, saying there is no proof."- Lanoitarus (talk) .:. 22:25, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Do not need to cite proof it did not happen, you need to prove it did to include it. If you have no proof and he has denied it, please provide your source of information that he did. Otherwise any accusations can be included with a demand for proof they did not.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.147.103.146 ( talk • contribs) {{{2}}}.
I tend to agree with User:24.147.103.146, however I think it is notable that there is nothing in the Globe article other than the contention that Carr gave out the phone number. There is no context of when or in what context Carr gave out the number. The assertion should have the appropriate information to back it up. Wikipedia is not the place for unfounded assertions, and I believe that if the reference to Carr giving out the phone number cannot be substantiated by facts, it should be removed. Assawyer 01:01, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
There is no concrete evidence either way. What there is concrete evidence of is that the globe claims this happened and howie carr claims it did not. Since both the Boston Globe and Howie Carr are relatively reputible sources concerning howie carr, I think both assertions should be included. Note that our article does not anywhere actually claim this happened, just that the globe said it did. It likewise does not claim it did not happen, just that howie said it didnt. As an encyclopedia the correct thing to do in the case of unverifiable situations is present both sides of the argument, not jump to our own conclusions either way. Making any further claims (in either direction) without sources would not be prudent. - Lanoitarus (talk) .:. 01:21, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
I agree, thank you Lanoitarus. Can you imagine what it is like to have people you don't even know making claims about you and to have no say in the matter? Just because someone is well known don't think they are not people also. The last thing I have to state is that just because it was in a newspaper does not make it true. We have all seen this recently at the New York Times, The Boston Globe, and other papers. I think the quote is something like "history's first draft" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.147.103.146 ( talk • contribs) {{{2}}}.
Apparently, Howie Carr is sicking some flunkies out after Wikipedia and other websites to claim that anything connected with the Irish mob of Boston is stolen from him!!!
Believe it or not but this is what is happening, apart from some articles that did take paragraphs verbatim from his site, Carr has a flunkie claiming facts as copyrighted information, claiming public domain police photographs as copyrighted material belonging to Carr and generally being a vandal and a pain accusing everyone of stealing who have worked on these articles.
It is not a mistake that this anonymous person is representing Carr because Carr's photographs are now watermarked!
This is a black mark against Carr in my opinion. I guess he isn't joking on the radio when he expresses how cheap he is!!! Dwain 21:33, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
Perhaps you should stop stealing his material and write your own. I'd advise you to contact Michael Snow or James Wales if you feel that any of the material taken down was not stolen from Howie Carr. Black mark? I'd consider the source.
Look, I'm sure Carr did deny the charge that he gave out Barincle's phone number. But can we have a citation please for this? In an article like this one, which is under attack by anonymous Carr defenders who want to sanitize the article, I don't think it's unreasonable not to take unreferenced claims on faith. Gamaliel 22:35, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
I'm not quite sure why my contribution that Howie Carr is now married to his second wife was reverted. I heard this on Howie Carr's own radio program. Lanoitarus you say that he has refuted this however, when a radio caller called in and mentioned his messy divorce, Howie made no refutations at all. He didn't say it was not true he seemed peeved but all he said was "I can't talk about it." That does not sound like someone who was not married previously. It was a perfect time to put this to bed if it was not true. It seemed obviously true. I thought for legal reasons he couldn't talk about his divorce because of how and what he said. Dwain 20:32, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
This section is so hard to read it just needs to be cleaned up. That's all I'll say. -- WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 03:19, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
I removed the "previously married" bit because having a second wife means that you were married once before (whether divorced or a widower). Also the operation to prevent conception is "vasectomy". I'm not sure what that has to do with anything, and whether or not it can be proven to have occured and for what reasons. Dubhdara 04:04, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
This section is becoming nothing more than a list of vitriolic barbs at local Massachusetts politicians. It smacks of heavy handed POV and adds little to the article. Dubhdara 05:02, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
I'd rather see the section remove the names and just read that Carr indulges in "Viriolic barbs at local Massachusetts politicians." If you had an article on child pornography you wouldn't need to show it. The article is being used to add Carr's POV and agenda to wikipedia. Dubhdara 21:22, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
I have removed nicknames and have moved them to The Howie Carr Show page where they belong.-- Lowell978
There is no need for a citation on the "Cousin of Nick Mavodones side-note", I am the one who originally added that information. I am Howie's third cousin, and Nick Mavodones is my uncle, so as you can see, that is correct, I AM the citation. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 204.10.46.254 ( talk) 02:52, 2 May 2007 (UTC).
Who is to say what is lenient and what is not? The parenthetical reference "the claim of a history of lenient sentencing was incorrect" should not be included, or should include a source that shows a history of handing out life sentences for OUI. Chriscrutch 21:43, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Should a mention be put in how Carr was nominated by former Gov Romney as a trustee at U Mass Amherst to force Billy Bulger out? Kirin4 19:31, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
I agree that is sufficent. Tannim2 ( talk) 17:29, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
At the start of the 2000 presidential campaign, Carr supported John McCain for the Republican nomination. Just before the New Hampshire primary, numerous callers were telling him that he should support Bush. At one point, the exasperated Carr told one caller: "Do you really want to see Jethro Bodine [of 'The Beverly Hillbillies'] as President?" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Italus ( talk • contribs) 01:34, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
I'm surprised to see that Jerry Williams has no Wiki page. Jerry gave Howie his start in talk radio. It was back in 1992, when Dukakis was running for President against Bush. At the time, Gene Burns and Jerry Williams were the kings of Boston talk radio - both on 680 WRKO (David Brudnoy was not as big and he was on WBZ 1030). Gene came on weekdays at noon and Jerry came on after at 3 PM. Jerry Williams was truly one of talk radio's pioneers and he was the unchallenged king of skewering Massachusetts and Boston "hack" politicians. To razz Dukakis during '92 the campaign, Jerry started a weekly segment called "Tuesday afternnon with the Governors". For each weekly segment (I think it ran for about an hour) he was the head of his self-appointed triumverate of "Governors" consisting of himself, Howie Carr and Barbara Anderson (MA Citizens for Limited Taxation). The three of them would dicuss various MA government and political topics all the while reminding people that Dukakis was everywhere in the US (campaining) but not back home doing his MA governor's job. Later, from time to time, Howie and Barbara would guest host if Jerry was out but it was Howie who found a true radio voice and started to get slotted as a host. I have no time to source this for you, but I used to listen to them everyday for years, so these facts are pretty accurate. Tweedledee2011 ( talk) 04:37, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
See them here: http://wn.com/Howie_Carr
Tweedledee2011 ( talk) 04:55, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
This article says his "alma mater" is Deerfield Academy, but Deerfield Academy is a high school not a college, which is not the normal meaning of alma mater. Also it says he graduated from Deerfield Academy Phi Beta Kappa, but Phi Beta Kappa is exclusively for college. (I'm a member.) So my question is: where did he go to college? Bostoner ( talk) 02:16, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
Chapel hill. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.2.184.68 ( talk) 21:25, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
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