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There seems to be a bit of a revert war over this one. Discussion here:
I suggest that the fact that Houston is 1 of 11 US world cities should not be mentioned:
Other opinions?-- Loodog 19:16, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
The 11 US cities are: 1. New York 2. Chicago 3. Los Angeles 4. San Francisco 5. Boston 6. Dallas 7. Houston 8. Washington DC 9. Atlanta 10. Miami 11. Minneapolis
Are these not 11 US world class cities? Isn't Houston 1 of these 11 cities?? Postoak 22:52, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Loser9300 ( talk · contribs · block log) and Eoedp03939 ( talk · contribs · block log) are sockpuppet accounts created just to edit the lead section of this article. — RJN 01:00, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
6 of the 11 American cities directly mention classification; Chicago, Los Angeles, Miami(under economy), San francisco, Minneapolis, and Atlanta. In addition, New York doesn't list alpha, but talks of being a top global city along with Tokyo and London. It is very clear in the article where New York stands in comparison to other global cities.
Boston mentions being global, but does not mention classification.
Dallas and Houston mention being 1 of 11 us global cities.
D.C. makes no mention of being a global city.
Didn't really check a lot of non american cities, but those I tend to mention classification if mentioning the global city study. loser9300
Relevance? When I read this fact, I think "SO WHAT?". What does it mean to be called global by this website? Even on their list, Houston falls under "minor" global cities. If the Globalization and World Cities Study Group and Network is important to Houston, then it should be written up and cited for every other corresponding city article on their list. Deatonjr 04:44, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Unsourced: Houston is considered to be a politically divided city whose balance of power often sways between Republicans and Democrats. The affluent western-central portions of Houston—such as River Oaks and the Memorial/Spring Branch area—consistently vote Republican, while many of the inner city neighborhoods are heavily Democratic. The communities of Kingwood and Clear Lake City in the northeast and southeast portions of the city, respectively, are heavily Republican. Ufwuct 06:20, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
There is no desert in Houston and the nearest desert is hundreds of miles away. There have been no deserts anywhere near Houston in historical times, so it could not have been built on desert either. Even the driest year on record (1917), had 17.66 inches of precipitation, which would make it much wetter than the traditional 10 inch cutoff for deserts. Ufwuct 16:24, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
I couldn't find a source on this anywhere, and that includes at Ellington Field. If anyone wants to put the effort in to find a source, please do. Thanks. Ufwuct 23:21, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
I removed this part
from the following sentence:
I would assume that the editor who added this did not just add some random number and was actually getting this from a source. If you are the editor or you know where this tidbit comes from, please let me know what the source is so that I can add it to the article. Ufwuct 01:45, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
probably true, but that's not what we get from the provided source. "Face of Texas" says Texas is young. PDF is comparing selected cities, not all
The source provided compares all but one (Tampa) of the prinicipal cities of the top 25 metro areas. It's a pretty representative sample. I didn't claim the third youngest in the U.S., but "among the youngest". Texas has the second youngest median age of any state, behind only Mormon Utah. Houston has a younger median age than the state of Texas. So I think it is a very safe assertion to say that Houston has among the youngest populations. I have not provided the Census Bureau information before because it is easily available and usually the first place a skeptic would look, but I will add it here now for clarification. Ufwuct 16:27, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
With refs, the article file size is 65 kB and therefore "too long". Without refs, the article file size is 43 kB, which is > 33 kB, but still fairly low. I hope they do not now begin to count this (file size) against this article's FA nomination. Ufwuct 18:40, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
I was pleased to see a reference to Slotboom's "Houston Freeways" in the article. I remember this book from working at a bookstore - it's one of the most fascinating books I've ever seen about Houston. It's interesting that there were only 5,000 copies made and the book is now out-of-print. Deatonjr 16:46, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
I removed this because it is unsourced.
According to the 2005 Houston Area Survey, 67 percent of non-Hispanic whites in the city are declared or favor Republicans while 88 percent of non-Hispanic blacks in the city are declared or favor Democrats. About 58 percent Hispanics (of any race) in the city are declared or favor Democrats.
Houston is considered to be a politically divided city whose balance of power often sways between Republicans and Democrats. The affluent western-central portions of Houston—such as River Oaks and the Memorial/Spring Branch area—consistently vote Republican, as do several of the city's far western and northwestern areas and the communities of Kingwood and Clear Lake City in the northeast and southeast portions of the city, respectively.
Meanwhile, many of the inner city neighborhoods, mainly predominantly Hispanic and African-American inner loop neighborhoods such as Acres Homes and Houston Heights (known locally as "the Heights") are heavily Democratic, along with much of southwest Houston and the city's northern, eastern and southern neighborhoods. Most of Houston's suburbs, including The Woodlands (north), Katy (west), the Cypress-Fairbanks area (northwest), Sugar Land (southwest), League City (southeast), and Pearland, are heavily Republican.
Postoak 04:49, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Mention of the Houston hip-hop scene is important to this article. It is a prominent fixture in the current scene here. The city is home to many important artists whom all share a local style and roots. ( Mike Jones, Bun B, Slim Thug, Paul Wall and the late DJ Screw, to name just a few.) Houston hip hop There should also be something included about the music scene in Houston or local artists, but I need suggestions on how to organize such an addition. Is there any such unified scene in this city? It seems the scene here has always lacked unity and definition, with so many different venues and artists spread out all over the place. Deatonjr 02:48, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Lomax, John Nova. "Nobody Gets Out of Here Alive - The Houston Rock Scene and the Cultural Cringe", Houston Press, Feb 1, 2007.
Deatonjr 15:34, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
As a visitor to this article from WP:CITY, I notice a lot of the images are using fixed pixel sizing. I find that the default thumbnail size works well for images and lends itself to good text readability. I also notice an alternating left to right system has been used for the image placement. I find an article easier to read with all of the images on the right side as I we read from left to right. Does anyone object to changing the images to right side placement only? Alan.ca 06:20, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
The sub-articles need to remain consistent with the Houston main article. For example, crime statistics are under Government and Politics on the Houston article, but expanded on in the Demographics of Houston aricle. Deatonjr 02:56, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Yes, it would have been more useful to do it during peer review, but I never would have volunteered to peer review a city article, as I loathe reading them. Excellent job to all of the editors who worked on this article, and to Postoak for putting in all the effort to make this a FA, as I'm sure it will gain sufficient support now to be one. KP Botany 19:18, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Where are you guys finding 2005 numbers for Urban Areas? I'm pretty sure the Census only releases those every 10 years. -- Criticalthinker 11:32, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
I added refs and updated the infobox. Postoak 07:00, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
I found this Houston Press article: http://www.houstonpress.com/2005-12-15/news/tale-of-two-cities/full
I am not sure about where I should write about Houston's Eastside Vietnamese villages. WhisperToMe 05:05, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I am excited to see that Houston is now a featured article, which I did not think would ever happen! I am kind of glad I took a two-month wikibreak while this was going through FAC because I probably wouldn't have been able to handle all the criticisms I saw posted. I have wanted this to be a featured article ever since I started editing Wikipedia back in April 2005. Great job everyone, especially to Postoak! I am glad other people became interested and started contributing to this article. In the past, there weren't that many people editing regularly and wanting this article to reach FA. In the end, I do apologize for not being here while this was going through the FAC process to help out and that Postoak had to do it all by himself. — RJN 09:51, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
After my trip to San Antonio recently, I saw that this article lack two (2) important aspects: the mentioning of Southern and East Texas cultures.
I have always aligned myself with the Southwest up until my trip to San Antonio in mid-February of this year. After this experience, I can say is Houston is culturally East Texas and definately part of the South. It took me the trip to San Antonio to realize this about myself and the Houston area. During my stay in San Antonio, I discovered that there was nothing about me that was part of the Southwest. Then it hit me that I truly grew up in East Texas with Southern values. The people in San Antonio were different and definately do not have that Southern hospitality like we do here in East Texas. In addition, life in SA seems to be much slower than in Houston and felt like I was in an American city of the early 1980s. San Antonio is culturally South Texas and definately part of the the Southwest in culture, architecture, and the terrain. In contrast, Houston is swamp land—a characteristic of East Texas.
I thought it would be important to mention the East Texas characteristics and Southern culture of Houstonians in the article. I am now proud to be an East Texan and part of the Southern culture and values! East Texas is beautiful, moist, and green. I am glad I went to see San Antonio. A new light has shed on how I feel about Houston and East Texas after seeing how dirty and unaesthetic SA was during my visit. It was a major dissapointment when I saw their downtown, which happens to be smaller than our Uptown district. Houston is so clean compared to San Antonio and I was glad to be back in East Texas after my trip. SA is definately not the South! Any thoughts regarding Houston being culturally East Texas and part of the South or how SA is not part of the Southwest? — RJN 10:25, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
As for Houston culture..... it is a topic to itself. I recently edited the East Texas article, which attempted to define East Texas culture by racial composition. That doesn't fly well with me. But that also raises the question, what IS East Texas culture, if any? I don't think it can really be defined. I believe Texas as a whole is more hospitable than other parts of the country, but when it comes to cities Houston is just as urban and gritty as the rest of them. Deatonjr 11:17, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Is there any information on what kinds of Native Americans lived in the area now called Houston? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.65.163.246 ( talk) 23:49, 4 March 2007 (UTC).
Well thanks, but I was informed that the Karankawa, Caddo, and Atakapa tribes inhabited in what is now today Houston's suburbs. I'm not to sure if we can put all of this in the article. I mean it's important to know what tribes were here.
We need to come to an agreement with what is considered the official nickname of the city and whether or not multiple nicknames are displayed in the infobox. I feel that only the official name of the city should be in the infobox and the other nickname should be in the body of the article. Let's all discuss and reach consensus here. Thank you, Postoak 21:19, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Gentlemen. Ladies. Peace has been restored. Everybody has been unblocked. This demonstrates the dire need for a discussion. Nickname?!?!? Should the info box only contain the official nickname?
What am I missing? If we were to list more than the official nickname, where would we draw the line? Would any old name be okay?
—> (Of course, these questions must be asked for references in the text also.)
Does every nickname need to cite a
reliable source? --
Evb-wiki
04:05, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, I say just put the official nickname in the infobox. It is too small to clutter with tons of other names. There is space in the culture article or elsewhere to explain all of the nicknames. Deatonjr 05:17, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
If there must be an article or sub-article about Houston nicknames, put it in the Cultures of Houston or other appropriate sub-article. For example, Screwston could be part of an article about Houston music, and Clutch City could be somewhere in the Sports section. Be bold. But don't clutter up the main Houston article with detailed explainations of every nickname that comes to mind. Deatonjr 05:47, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
In response to questions posed above: 1.Where do we draw the line?
2.Would any old name be okay?
3.Does every nickname need to cite a reliable source?
Deatonjr 06:28, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
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The continuation of this discussion has been moved to Nicknames of Houston in the text below. -- Evb-wiki 02:31, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
The removal of a blog link from the Southampton, Houston, Texas article is part of a local controversy over the article. See: http://www.examinernews.com/articles/2007/03/07/west_university/news/news05.txt WhisperToMe 04:25, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
The Houston S.P.C.A: Houston is the home of the H.S.P.C.A and is proud to.
March 7, 2007-- The nicknames "HTX," "Clutch City," "Screwston," "The Big Heart," "Magnolia City," and others became part of the Culture section...several days later, a certain user decides to delete the ones that they don't want on there, mind you, without discussing it. Forget that this action BROKE THE RULES, but it just doesn't make any sense. Fuck it. I played by the rules, discussed it. Consensus was reached. I'm changing it back.-- Mphifer254 04:29, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Are you serious? Really? Again?
It was decided that the nicknames in concern at that time would be included in the article. Do not tell me that it wasn't because I was the first to change it. Those names were added to the Culture section, left alone for days, and not discussed afterwards. Now all of a sudden you decide you don't want them there. The SECOND time you have taken it upon yourself to change something without others approval. You know I'm not lying, so leave them there. Thank you...-- Mphifer254 04:07, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
For the sake optimal completeness on this subject, please see this 2005/2006 discussion re nicknames in the archives. -- Evb-wiki 13:29, 7 March 2007 (UTC) . . . AND Nicknames in the text above. -- Evb-wiki 02:26, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
I propose that we create a list of nicknames that is linked from the Culture section of the article. ie
.
Here we can put any/all nicknames and give a brief description of each and a reference of some type. Maybe format a table with this information. We could create this off the wikiproject namespace and complete it first so that it won't get deleted right off. Let me know what you think. Postoak 01:51, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
I removed the mention of Rice University and U Houston from the intro and was reverted. Here's my reasoning:
No other major city articles mention schools in lead. You have to go down to Tuscon (the 32nd largest city) to find a mention of a school in the intro, and even then only to note a local landmark. You have to go to Sacramento (the 37th largest) to find a mention of a school in the intro for its own sake. Even enormous college towns like Philadelphia and Boston don't mention schools in their intros despite the fact that both have schools that are IVY LEAGUE. Introductions for city articles shouldn't serve as advertisements for schools.-- Loodog 12:34, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
VOTE (see discussion above): Schools in intro:
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There seems to be a bit of a revert war over this one. Discussion here:
I suggest that the fact that Houston is 1 of 11 US world cities should not be mentioned:
Other opinions?-- Loodog 19:16, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
The 11 US cities are: 1. New York 2. Chicago 3. Los Angeles 4. San Francisco 5. Boston 6. Dallas 7. Houston 8. Washington DC 9. Atlanta 10. Miami 11. Minneapolis
Are these not 11 US world class cities? Isn't Houston 1 of these 11 cities?? Postoak 22:52, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Loser9300 ( talk · contribs · block log) and Eoedp03939 ( talk · contribs · block log) are sockpuppet accounts created just to edit the lead section of this article. — RJN 01:00, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
6 of the 11 American cities directly mention classification; Chicago, Los Angeles, Miami(under economy), San francisco, Minneapolis, and Atlanta. In addition, New York doesn't list alpha, but talks of being a top global city along with Tokyo and London. It is very clear in the article where New York stands in comparison to other global cities.
Boston mentions being global, but does not mention classification.
Dallas and Houston mention being 1 of 11 us global cities.
D.C. makes no mention of being a global city.
Didn't really check a lot of non american cities, but those I tend to mention classification if mentioning the global city study. loser9300
Relevance? When I read this fact, I think "SO WHAT?". What does it mean to be called global by this website? Even on their list, Houston falls under "minor" global cities. If the Globalization and World Cities Study Group and Network is important to Houston, then it should be written up and cited for every other corresponding city article on their list. Deatonjr 04:44, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
Unsourced: Houston is considered to be a politically divided city whose balance of power often sways between Republicans and Democrats. The affluent western-central portions of Houston—such as River Oaks and the Memorial/Spring Branch area—consistently vote Republican, while many of the inner city neighborhoods are heavily Democratic. The communities of Kingwood and Clear Lake City in the northeast and southeast portions of the city, respectively, are heavily Republican. Ufwuct 06:20, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
There is no desert in Houston and the nearest desert is hundreds of miles away. There have been no deserts anywhere near Houston in historical times, so it could not have been built on desert either. Even the driest year on record (1917), had 17.66 inches of precipitation, which would make it much wetter than the traditional 10 inch cutoff for deserts. Ufwuct 16:24, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
I couldn't find a source on this anywhere, and that includes at Ellington Field. If anyone wants to put the effort in to find a source, please do. Thanks. Ufwuct 23:21, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
I removed this part
from the following sentence:
I would assume that the editor who added this did not just add some random number and was actually getting this from a source. If you are the editor or you know where this tidbit comes from, please let me know what the source is so that I can add it to the article. Ufwuct 01:45, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
probably true, but that's not what we get from the provided source. "Face of Texas" says Texas is young. PDF is comparing selected cities, not all
The source provided compares all but one (Tampa) of the prinicipal cities of the top 25 metro areas. It's a pretty representative sample. I didn't claim the third youngest in the U.S., but "among the youngest". Texas has the second youngest median age of any state, behind only Mormon Utah. Houston has a younger median age than the state of Texas. So I think it is a very safe assertion to say that Houston has among the youngest populations. I have not provided the Census Bureau information before because it is easily available and usually the first place a skeptic would look, but I will add it here now for clarification. Ufwuct 16:27, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
With refs, the article file size is 65 kB and therefore "too long". Without refs, the article file size is 43 kB, which is > 33 kB, but still fairly low. I hope they do not now begin to count this (file size) against this article's FA nomination. Ufwuct 18:40, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
I was pleased to see a reference to Slotboom's "Houston Freeways" in the article. I remember this book from working at a bookstore - it's one of the most fascinating books I've ever seen about Houston. It's interesting that there were only 5,000 copies made and the book is now out-of-print. Deatonjr 16:46, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
I removed this because it is unsourced.
According to the 2005 Houston Area Survey, 67 percent of non-Hispanic whites in the city are declared or favor Republicans while 88 percent of non-Hispanic blacks in the city are declared or favor Democrats. About 58 percent Hispanics (of any race) in the city are declared or favor Democrats.
Houston is considered to be a politically divided city whose balance of power often sways between Republicans and Democrats. The affluent western-central portions of Houston—such as River Oaks and the Memorial/Spring Branch area—consistently vote Republican, as do several of the city's far western and northwestern areas and the communities of Kingwood and Clear Lake City in the northeast and southeast portions of the city, respectively.
Meanwhile, many of the inner city neighborhoods, mainly predominantly Hispanic and African-American inner loop neighborhoods such as Acres Homes and Houston Heights (known locally as "the Heights") are heavily Democratic, along with much of southwest Houston and the city's northern, eastern and southern neighborhoods. Most of Houston's suburbs, including The Woodlands (north), Katy (west), the Cypress-Fairbanks area (northwest), Sugar Land (southwest), League City (southeast), and Pearland, are heavily Republican.
Postoak 04:49, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Mention of the Houston hip-hop scene is important to this article. It is a prominent fixture in the current scene here. The city is home to many important artists whom all share a local style and roots. ( Mike Jones, Bun B, Slim Thug, Paul Wall and the late DJ Screw, to name just a few.) Houston hip hop There should also be something included about the music scene in Houston or local artists, but I need suggestions on how to organize such an addition. Is there any such unified scene in this city? It seems the scene here has always lacked unity and definition, with so many different venues and artists spread out all over the place. Deatonjr 02:48, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Lomax, John Nova. "Nobody Gets Out of Here Alive - The Houston Rock Scene and the Cultural Cringe", Houston Press, Feb 1, 2007.
Deatonjr 15:34, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
As a visitor to this article from WP:CITY, I notice a lot of the images are using fixed pixel sizing. I find that the default thumbnail size works well for images and lends itself to good text readability. I also notice an alternating left to right system has been used for the image placement. I find an article easier to read with all of the images on the right side as I we read from left to right. Does anyone object to changing the images to right side placement only? Alan.ca 06:20, 5 February 2007 (UTC)
The sub-articles need to remain consistent with the Houston main article. For example, crime statistics are under Government and Politics on the Houston article, but expanded on in the Demographics of Houston aricle. Deatonjr 02:56, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
Yes, it would have been more useful to do it during peer review, but I never would have volunteered to peer review a city article, as I loathe reading them. Excellent job to all of the editors who worked on this article, and to Postoak for putting in all the effort to make this a FA, as I'm sure it will gain sufficient support now to be one. KP Botany 19:18, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Where are you guys finding 2005 numbers for Urban Areas? I'm pretty sure the Census only releases those every 10 years. -- Criticalthinker 11:32, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
I added refs and updated the infobox. Postoak 07:00, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
I found this Houston Press article: http://www.houstonpress.com/2005-12-15/news/tale-of-two-cities/full
I am not sure about where I should write about Houston's Eastside Vietnamese villages. WhisperToMe 05:05, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I am excited to see that Houston is now a featured article, which I did not think would ever happen! I am kind of glad I took a two-month wikibreak while this was going through FAC because I probably wouldn't have been able to handle all the criticisms I saw posted. I have wanted this to be a featured article ever since I started editing Wikipedia back in April 2005. Great job everyone, especially to Postoak! I am glad other people became interested and started contributing to this article. In the past, there weren't that many people editing regularly and wanting this article to reach FA. In the end, I do apologize for not being here while this was going through the FAC process to help out and that Postoak had to do it all by himself. — RJN 09:51, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
After my trip to San Antonio recently, I saw that this article lack two (2) important aspects: the mentioning of Southern and East Texas cultures.
I have always aligned myself with the Southwest up until my trip to San Antonio in mid-February of this year. After this experience, I can say is Houston is culturally East Texas and definately part of the South. It took me the trip to San Antonio to realize this about myself and the Houston area. During my stay in San Antonio, I discovered that there was nothing about me that was part of the Southwest. Then it hit me that I truly grew up in East Texas with Southern values. The people in San Antonio were different and definately do not have that Southern hospitality like we do here in East Texas. In addition, life in SA seems to be much slower than in Houston and felt like I was in an American city of the early 1980s. San Antonio is culturally South Texas and definately part of the the Southwest in culture, architecture, and the terrain. In contrast, Houston is swamp land—a characteristic of East Texas.
I thought it would be important to mention the East Texas characteristics and Southern culture of Houstonians in the article. I am now proud to be an East Texan and part of the Southern culture and values! East Texas is beautiful, moist, and green. I am glad I went to see San Antonio. A new light has shed on how I feel about Houston and East Texas after seeing how dirty and unaesthetic SA was during my visit. It was a major dissapointment when I saw their downtown, which happens to be smaller than our Uptown district. Houston is so clean compared to San Antonio and I was glad to be back in East Texas after my trip. SA is definately not the South! Any thoughts regarding Houston being culturally East Texas and part of the South or how SA is not part of the Southwest? — RJN 10:25, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
As for Houston culture..... it is a topic to itself. I recently edited the East Texas article, which attempted to define East Texas culture by racial composition. That doesn't fly well with me. But that also raises the question, what IS East Texas culture, if any? I don't think it can really be defined. I believe Texas as a whole is more hospitable than other parts of the country, but when it comes to cities Houston is just as urban and gritty as the rest of them. Deatonjr 11:17, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Is there any information on what kinds of Native Americans lived in the area now called Houston? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.65.163.246 ( talk) 23:49, 4 March 2007 (UTC).
Well thanks, but I was informed that the Karankawa, Caddo, and Atakapa tribes inhabited in what is now today Houston's suburbs. I'm not to sure if we can put all of this in the article. I mean it's important to know what tribes were here.
We need to come to an agreement with what is considered the official nickname of the city and whether or not multiple nicknames are displayed in the infobox. I feel that only the official name of the city should be in the infobox and the other nickname should be in the body of the article. Let's all discuss and reach consensus here. Thank you, Postoak 21:19, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
Gentlemen. Ladies. Peace has been restored. Everybody has been unblocked. This demonstrates the dire need for a discussion. Nickname?!?!? Should the info box only contain the official nickname?
What am I missing? If we were to list more than the official nickname, where would we draw the line? Would any old name be okay?
—> (Of course, these questions must be asked for references in the text also.)
Does every nickname need to cite a
reliable source? --
Evb-wiki
04:05, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, I say just put the official nickname in the infobox. It is too small to clutter with tons of other names. There is space in the culture article or elsewhere to explain all of the nicknames. Deatonjr 05:17, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
If there must be an article or sub-article about Houston nicknames, put it in the Cultures of Houston or other appropriate sub-article. For example, Screwston could be part of an article about Houston music, and Clutch City could be somewhere in the Sports section. Be bold. But don't clutter up the main Houston article with detailed explainations of every nickname that comes to mind. Deatonjr 05:47, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
In response to questions posed above: 1.Where do we draw the line?
2.Would any old name be okay?
3.Does every nickname need to cite a reliable source?
Deatonjr 06:28, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
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The continuation of this discussion has been moved to Nicknames of Houston in the text below. -- Evb-wiki 02:31, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
The removal of a blog link from the Southampton, Houston, Texas article is part of a local controversy over the article. See: http://www.examinernews.com/articles/2007/03/07/west_university/news/news05.txt WhisperToMe 04:25, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
The Houston S.P.C.A: Houston is the home of the H.S.P.C.A and is proud to.
March 7, 2007-- The nicknames "HTX," "Clutch City," "Screwston," "The Big Heart," "Magnolia City," and others became part of the Culture section...several days later, a certain user decides to delete the ones that they don't want on there, mind you, without discussing it. Forget that this action BROKE THE RULES, but it just doesn't make any sense. Fuck it. I played by the rules, discussed it. Consensus was reached. I'm changing it back.-- Mphifer254 04:29, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
Are you serious? Really? Again?
It was decided that the nicknames in concern at that time would be included in the article. Do not tell me that it wasn't because I was the first to change it. Those names were added to the Culture section, left alone for days, and not discussed afterwards. Now all of a sudden you decide you don't want them there. The SECOND time you have taken it upon yourself to change something without others approval. You know I'm not lying, so leave them there. Thank you...-- Mphifer254 04:07, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
For the sake optimal completeness on this subject, please see this 2005/2006 discussion re nicknames in the archives. -- Evb-wiki 13:29, 7 March 2007 (UTC) . . . AND Nicknames in the text above. -- Evb-wiki 02:26, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
I propose that we create a list of nicknames that is linked from the Culture section of the article. ie
.
Here we can put any/all nicknames and give a brief description of each and a reference of some type. Maybe format a table with this information. We could create this off the wikiproject namespace and complete it first so that it won't get deleted right off. Let me know what you think. Postoak 01:51, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
I removed the mention of Rice University and U Houston from the intro and was reverted. Here's my reasoning:
No other major city articles mention schools in lead. You have to go down to Tuscon (the 32nd largest city) to find a mention of a school in the intro, and even then only to note a local landmark. You have to go to Sacramento (the 37th largest) to find a mention of a school in the intro for its own sake. Even enormous college towns like Philadelphia and Boston don't mention schools in their intros despite the fact that both have schools that are IVY LEAGUE. Introductions for city articles shouldn't serve as advertisements for schools.-- Loodog 12:34, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
VOTE (see discussion above): Schools in intro: