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I wonder to read about the "ethnicity" of the House. I don't seem you wrote the same for European families. Where is the difference?
Traveller —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.49.129.227 ( talk) 12:48, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
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The following names have a Hawaiian orthography from a Kamehameha Schools Publication that differ from their Wikipedia article orthography:
This picture was taken by Hugo Stangenwald. The original is in the Bishop Museum in Honolulu. At some point in the Internet the picture was flipped but the caption was kept the same. I keep correcting the caption but someone changes it back. The way the pictures is shown, Queen Kalama is on the left of Kamehameha III and his sister, Victoria Kamāmalu, is on the right. Lot Kapuaiwa, later King Kamehameha V is on the back right and Alexander Liholiho, later King Kamehameha IV is on the back left. Here is a link to the unflipped picture. http://www.luminous-lint.com/app/image/77154296841047754336/ Ulalena ( talk) 06:01, 7 July 2015 (UTC)Ulalena July 6, 2015
The picture at File:House of Kamehameha2.jpg is identified as the one from the Bernice P. Bishop Museum when you click on it. Regardless, though, I can tell from the faces who is who and the picture was mislabeled. I am actually surprised that you, KAVEBEAR did not realize this by just looking at the picture as you seem to be so knowledgable in Hawaiian history. Ulalena ( talk) 03:53, 8 July 2015 (UTC)Ulalena
Hmmm. The above discussion has made me take a closer look at the difference between the state archive image and the Bishop Museum image and I have to wonder if the one we are using is a reverse image. It occurred to me originally that simple things like hair and placement of the royal order cannot determine the proper direction as thee is no way to know of the personal choice of such thing and whether it changed. One thing however is certain, men's coats button with the left panel overlapping the right panel. The button is on the right panel and the button whole is on the left panel. This is true through the Victorian era as well. I can at least say, that as a period costumer, if I were reproducing the fashions depicted here, that would be the first thing I look at. What is the proper left and right of the image? I believe it is clear that Kamehameha III's coat is buttoned properly in the Bishop Museum depiction with the left coat panel, properly overlapping the right coat panel. It also appears to be true of both Kam IV and Kam V.-- Mark Miller ( talk) 20:05, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
This fantasy of Europeanizing our ancestors. Are we that naive to understand history from its historical context rather than applying modern day stylings? Maybe a bit covering the various Hawaiian Constitutions and specific articles that allowed certain people various titles. 99.23.241.79 ( talk) 03:49, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
This article should mention Albert Kūnuiākea and Keanolani, the only known illegitimate children of the later Kamehamehas. KAVEBEAR ( talk) 19:39, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
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I wonder to read about the "ethnicity" of the House. I don't seem you wrote the same for European families. Where is the difference?
Traveller —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.49.129.227 ( talk) 12:48, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
Done
Done
The following names have a Hawaiian orthography from a Kamehameha Schools Publication that differ from their Wikipedia article orthography:
This picture was taken by Hugo Stangenwald. The original is in the Bishop Museum in Honolulu. At some point in the Internet the picture was flipped but the caption was kept the same. I keep correcting the caption but someone changes it back. The way the pictures is shown, Queen Kalama is on the left of Kamehameha III and his sister, Victoria Kamāmalu, is on the right. Lot Kapuaiwa, later King Kamehameha V is on the back right and Alexander Liholiho, later King Kamehameha IV is on the back left. Here is a link to the unflipped picture. http://www.luminous-lint.com/app/image/77154296841047754336/ Ulalena ( talk) 06:01, 7 July 2015 (UTC)Ulalena July 6, 2015
The picture at File:House of Kamehameha2.jpg is identified as the one from the Bernice P. Bishop Museum when you click on it. Regardless, though, I can tell from the faces who is who and the picture was mislabeled. I am actually surprised that you, KAVEBEAR did not realize this by just looking at the picture as you seem to be so knowledgable in Hawaiian history. Ulalena ( talk) 03:53, 8 July 2015 (UTC)Ulalena
Hmmm. The above discussion has made me take a closer look at the difference between the state archive image and the Bishop Museum image and I have to wonder if the one we are using is a reverse image. It occurred to me originally that simple things like hair and placement of the royal order cannot determine the proper direction as thee is no way to know of the personal choice of such thing and whether it changed. One thing however is certain, men's coats button with the left panel overlapping the right panel. The button is on the right panel and the button whole is on the left panel. This is true through the Victorian era as well. I can at least say, that as a period costumer, if I were reproducing the fashions depicted here, that would be the first thing I look at. What is the proper left and right of the image? I believe it is clear that Kamehameha III's coat is buttoned properly in the Bishop Museum depiction with the left coat panel, properly overlapping the right coat panel. It also appears to be true of both Kam IV and Kam V.-- Mark Miller ( talk) 20:05, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
This fantasy of Europeanizing our ancestors. Are we that naive to understand history from its historical context rather than applying modern day stylings? Maybe a bit covering the various Hawaiian Constitutions and specific articles that allowed certain people various titles. 99.23.241.79 ( talk) 03:49, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
This article should mention Albert Kūnuiākea and Keanolani, the only known illegitimate children of the later Kamehamehas. KAVEBEAR ( talk) 19:39, 16 July 2018 (UTC)