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I'm not good at editing but I wanted to make the following points: 1. Something should be mentioned about the incredible court fights which happened after the rules were amended in 2003. I remember a period of time when the 34 hour restart provision was vacated and then reinstated. 2. There are still ongoing court fights over the latest round of HOS regulations, with some of the most contentious being a limit on the number of 34 hour restarts, and a limit on when 34 hour restarts can be taken, and a requirement to take a 30 minute break within 8 hours of coming on duty. 3. With the August 2011 ruling that vacated the EOBR requirements, FMCSA completely removed all references to "Electronic On Board Recorder" from their regulations. EOBR's which were already in use are actually regulated under the category of the older "AOBR" (Automatic On Board Recorder), with one of the main differences being no requirement to show the current log in a graphical form. 4. There has been considerable comment from truck drivers (available on many, many driver forums on the web) complaining about property and passenger carrying motor carriers being treated differently. Passenger carrying motor carriers have considerably more relaxed hours of service requirements as opposed to property carrying motor carriers P38fln ( talk) 14:20, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
I think the image should be taken down. The sample size of the chart (12) is far too small to give Pearson's sample correlation coefficient (the R-value in the graphic) any significance or power for inference. This in turn can make the graphic a bit misleading to the reader. I read through the source of the graphic on fmcsa.dot.gov but found no specific sampling technique for this specific chart. Thoughts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.125.84.214 ( talk) 01:48, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
I agree that this graph makes very little sense. There is some note about clustering hours over 12. Not sure what this means. Also not sure what the percentage (dependent variable means). The methodology of the graph is questionable; appears to me that there is quite a lot of data minining (using 3rd order, only showing hours at 17, etc). For example if 17 was chosen from all values 13-18 to show the strongest effect, then the results are not valid, etc. cancan101 ( talk) 05:44, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
I made some minor cleanup changes, and I have a few other suggestions.
Good luck in the GA process - you're braver than I... Duncan1800 ( talk) 22:37, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
HOS in the US applies to operators of commercial aircraft and water craft. In the US they are all regulated by DOT Other nations have HOS Don't have time for this now but it should be in the lead in, and stubs for the other HOS rules should be created Saltysailor ( talk) 06:11, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
couldn't resist some changes Saltysailor ( talk) 06:24, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
there is some heavy POV problems about fudging Saltysailor ( talk) 06:24, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
In 2005, the FMCSA changed the rules again, practically eliminating the split sleeper berth provision. [...] This provision forced drivers to take one longer uninterrupted period of rest, but eliminated the flexibility of allowing drivers to take naps during the day without jeopardizing their driving time.
Update: I added a section about companies who violate the HOS. Read the "Enforcement" section again and let me know what you think. -- ErgoSum88 ( talk) 03:00, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
I like your changes:-) If you wanted to make it better you might have a secton on contorversy. Elements would be:
Saltysailor ( talk) 14:57, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
A recent study result shows that the first hour of driving is the the one with the highest rate of accidents! This was bassed on recent data colected by feds and I read it in a trucking periodical. Although no cauaul factors were assumed, in flys in the face of the basis for HOS. Saltysailor ( talk) 21:04, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Glad to see this is a front-page FA - very different type of topic than the usual fare. Tempshill ( talk) 00:54, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
I love seeing unusual (in the meaning of not-usual) FAs. Congo rats from me too! — pd_THOR | =/\= | 21:23, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Gpsman, I reverted your moving the definition of vehicles covered by the HOS to the introduction. I think this information is too detailed for the introduction and belongs in the main body. It is important, which is why I listed it first. It just doesn't belong in the intro. Secondly, I wasn't sure about a lot of the changes which just weren't productive. If you would like to discuss these changes just let me know, otherwise I think it was fine the way it was. -- ErgoSum88 ( talk) 19:54, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
Excellent article! I am a truck driver here in Canada and may try to write an article similar to this one highlighting the Canadian rules and the changes that occured June 1, 2007 to the federal HoS rules.
Once again, Well done! Nmac-YK ( talk) 13:28, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
I tried to add a reference ( http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/topics/hos/index.htm Hours of service-Retrieved; 2011-09-04), to the first sentence of the lead behind "...Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA)...". I did this in the normal format and then as above but on a preview there were article layout changes in the Definition of terms (sleeper berth) section. I have to go to work so would someone check this out? Otr500 ( talk) 12:49, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
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I updated the Rewriting the Hours of Service section to include 2018 updates. Otr500 ( talk) 10:34, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
I'm not sure that this older FA meets the current FA criteria. There's uncited text, if "In 1999, two trucking company officials were sentenced to federal prison for violating hours of service regulations." has special significance it's not obvious and I'm concerned about WP:DUE WEIGHT for that, statistics such as "Surveys by OOIDA report 80% of drivers are not paid for waiting times while loading and unloading" are from dated sources, and there's a concerning lack of industry viewpoints about these standards. A featured article review may be necessary here. Hog Farm Talk 01:47, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
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I'm not good at editing but I wanted to make the following points: 1. Something should be mentioned about the incredible court fights which happened after the rules were amended in 2003. I remember a period of time when the 34 hour restart provision was vacated and then reinstated. 2. There are still ongoing court fights over the latest round of HOS regulations, with some of the most contentious being a limit on the number of 34 hour restarts, and a limit on when 34 hour restarts can be taken, and a requirement to take a 30 minute break within 8 hours of coming on duty. 3. With the August 2011 ruling that vacated the EOBR requirements, FMCSA completely removed all references to "Electronic On Board Recorder" from their regulations. EOBR's which were already in use are actually regulated under the category of the older "AOBR" (Automatic On Board Recorder), with one of the main differences being no requirement to show the current log in a graphical form. 4. There has been considerable comment from truck drivers (available on many, many driver forums on the web) complaining about property and passenger carrying motor carriers being treated differently. Passenger carrying motor carriers have considerably more relaxed hours of service requirements as opposed to property carrying motor carriers P38fln ( talk) 14:20, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
I think the image should be taken down. The sample size of the chart (12) is far too small to give Pearson's sample correlation coefficient (the R-value in the graphic) any significance or power for inference. This in turn can make the graphic a bit misleading to the reader. I read through the source of the graphic on fmcsa.dot.gov but found no specific sampling technique for this specific chart. Thoughts? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.125.84.214 ( talk) 01:48, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
I agree that this graph makes very little sense. There is some note about clustering hours over 12. Not sure what this means. Also not sure what the percentage (dependent variable means). The methodology of the graph is questionable; appears to me that there is quite a lot of data minining (using 3rd order, only showing hours at 17, etc). For example if 17 was chosen from all values 13-18 to show the strongest effect, then the results are not valid, etc. cancan101 ( talk) 05:44, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
I made some minor cleanup changes, and I have a few other suggestions.
Good luck in the GA process - you're braver than I... Duncan1800 ( talk) 22:37, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
HOS in the US applies to operators of commercial aircraft and water craft. In the US they are all regulated by DOT Other nations have HOS Don't have time for this now but it should be in the lead in, and stubs for the other HOS rules should be created Saltysailor ( talk) 06:11, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
couldn't resist some changes Saltysailor ( talk) 06:24, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
there is some heavy POV problems about fudging Saltysailor ( talk) 06:24, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
In 2005, the FMCSA changed the rules again, practically eliminating the split sleeper berth provision. [...] This provision forced drivers to take one longer uninterrupted period of rest, but eliminated the flexibility of allowing drivers to take naps during the day without jeopardizing their driving time.
Update: I added a section about companies who violate the HOS. Read the "Enforcement" section again and let me know what you think. -- ErgoSum88 ( talk) 03:00, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
I like your changes:-) If you wanted to make it better you might have a secton on contorversy. Elements would be:
Saltysailor ( talk) 14:57, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
A recent study result shows that the first hour of driving is the the one with the highest rate of accidents! This was bassed on recent data colected by feds and I read it in a trucking periodical. Although no cauaul factors were assumed, in flys in the face of the basis for HOS. Saltysailor ( talk) 21:04, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
Glad to see this is a front-page FA - very different type of topic than the usual fare. Tempshill ( talk) 00:54, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
I love seeing unusual (in the meaning of not-usual) FAs. Congo rats from me too! — pd_THOR | =/\= | 21:23, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Gpsman, I reverted your moving the definition of vehicles covered by the HOS to the introduction. I think this information is too detailed for the introduction and belongs in the main body. It is important, which is why I listed it first. It just doesn't belong in the intro. Secondly, I wasn't sure about a lot of the changes which just weren't productive. If you would like to discuss these changes just let me know, otherwise I think it was fine the way it was. -- ErgoSum88 ( talk) 19:54, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
Excellent article! I am a truck driver here in Canada and may try to write an article similar to this one highlighting the Canadian rules and the changes that occured June 1, 2007 to the federal HoS rules.
Once again, Well done! Nmac-YK ( talk) 13:28, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
I tried to add a reference ( http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/topics/hos/index.htm Hours of service-Retrieved; 2011-09-04), to the first sentence of the lead behind "...Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA)...". I did this in the normal format and then as above but on a preview there were article layout changes in the Definition of terms (sleeper berth) section. I have to go to work so would someone check this out? Otr500 ( talk) 12:49, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
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I updated the Rewriting the Hours of Service section to include 2018 updates. Otr500 ( talk) 10:34, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
I'm not sure that this older FA meets the current FA criteria. There's uncited text, if "In 1999, two trucking company officials were sentenced to federal prison for violating hours of service regulations." has special significance it's not obvious and I'm concerned about WP:DUE WEIGHT for that, statistics such as "Surveys by OOIDA report 80% of drivers are not paid for waiting times while loading and unloading" are from dated sources, and there's a concerning lack of industry viewpoints about these standards. A featured article review may be necessary here. Hog Farm Talk 01:47, 20 September 2021 (UTC)