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This article is a translation of https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotel_Saratoga ovA_165443 ( talk) 15:45, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
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ovA_165443 ( talk) 15:48, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
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IF "The original building was demolished, with only the façade on the two street-fronts remained." in the 60s, and the two remaining facades of the 1880s original building were totally destroyed during the recent blast then it is no longer a "neoclassical building, or a Five Star Hotel". Neoclassicism is "an architectural style produced by the Neoclassical movement that began in the mid-18th century." There was a complete renovation of the interior of the building as evidenced by the metal studs, gypsum board walls, and new concrete slabs that may be seen in several photos after the bast. Structural steel supports of the new slabs may be seen behind the original arch supporting columns; over 60-70% of the original building appears to have been replaced with new construction.
something, ( User talk:69.174.144.79) perhaps you can come in here and tell us why you have reverted my corrections to the page twice? Thank you! ovA_165443 ( talk) 13:36, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
The proposed load of additional floors and the reason that steel supports were inserted. At the moment nothing is left of the original building and this is my argument that there is nothing that can be called neoclassical. [1] ovA_165443 ( talk) 17:29, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
According to Template:Infobox_building, owner should be the current owner, not some of the past owners. -- Beardo ( talk) 14:56, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
Should it be the owner of the site or the owner of the building? -- Beardo ( talk) 17:00, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
This term is a "Weasel word which are words and phrases aimed at creating an impression that something specific and meaningful has been said, when in fact only a vague or ambiguous claim has been communicated. A common form of weasel wording is through vague attribution, where a statement is dressed with authority, yet has no substantial basis..." ovA_165443 ( talk) 16:13, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
beardo Was the Hotel Saratoga confiscated? Please read the references provided. U.S. Law is relevant to all confiscated property on the island as it is the reason the revolutionary government complains there is an embargo. Private property is stolen and allowed to deteriorate into thin air then blame a nonexistent "blockade" as the reason for the destruction. In the future, please put your comments on the talk page so anyone can address your concerns, please DO NOT put your personal comments on the article someone has to clean up your garbage. Thank you! ovA_165443 ( talk) 13:41, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
Osvaldo valdes 165443, There is a whole section in the template documentation on the height parameters. See
Template:Infobox building#Height parameters. It says: "Specify height = with no other height-related parameters, or leave height= blank and fill in one or more of the other parameters below. Use of height= along with one of the other parameters below will place the page in
Category:Pages using infobox building with parameter errors." The article is again listed as having an error, which I keep fixing and you keep re-inserting. You have to use just |height=
by itself or use the one or more of the other height parameters without |height=
. Please stop making changes when you don't understand the proper use of the template. This is definitely not
WP:Vandalism and you should also learn when it is and is not appropriate to use that term.
MB
21:54, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
Currently, the Infobox shows Coral Capital as the developer, with the source cited as https://www.cubastandard.com/anti-corruption-campaign-hits-golf-developer/ - the only mention of the Saratoga in that article is "It also spent $28 million on the Saratoga boutique hotel in the historic center of Havana". I don't see that investing money makes them the developer.
Also the timing does not work. The joint venture was created in 1996, the old building was demolished in 1997, the new hotel was designed and work started in 1998. Yet Coral Capital was only created in 1999, as confirmed by several of the articles that were mentioned here.
I have got a copy of a photo of the hotel during construction which shows a sign that read "Inversionista: Empresa Mixta Hotel Saratoga S.A." and "Proyectista: Direccion de Proyectos Oficina del Historiador"; no mention of Coral Capital.
In a private communication from Stephen Purvis, which I received a copy, he wrote "The Habaguanex team were responsible for both design and project management until handover of completed building."
So Habaguanex started the project, provided part of the capital and also ran the rebuilding. It sounds to me like they were the developer. -- Beardo ( talk) 12:02, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
Gregorio Palacio y Pérez ( Entrambasaguas, 1819 or 1820 - La Habana, 1904) arrived on the island in 1834. He became rich by selling tobacco from the fields he had acquired in the region of Pinar del Rio (don't forget that slavery was still normal in that time). At the and of the century he owned more than 100 houses in Havana. But one couldn't tell his wealth from his way of lifestyle: Jamás le vimos en coche ni bien trajeado. Por qué hacía eso no lo sabemos y es fácil qu eno lo averigüe nadie. He was buried in the Cementerio Colón where his grave can still be seen: grave on the Colon Cemetary ( detail).
sources:
RenaatPeeters ( talk) 09:13, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
References
Beardo, I agree that not all references are of equal importance, but erasing some of them because they don't seem relevant to one editor is in my opinion not the way how wikipedia works. The problem is that there are few sources about the hotel. That's not so surprising because it is (or it was until ± 2000) rather a modest hotel. Citing the sources is also ment for further study to those who want. For they are put at the bottum, they are of no hindrance to others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RenaatPeeters ( talk • contribs) 14:36, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
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This article is a translation of https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotel_Saratoga ovA_165443 ( talk) 15:45, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
This article contains a translation of Hotel Saratoga from es.wikipedia. |
ovA_165443 ( talk) 15:48, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
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IF "The original building was demolished, with only the façade on the two street-fronts remained." in the 60s, and the two remaining facades of the 1880s original building were totally destroyed during the recent blast then it is no longer a "neoclassical building, or a Five Star Hotel". Neoclassicism is "an architectural style produced by the Neoclassical movement that began in the mid-18th century." There was a complete renovation of the interior of the building as evidenced by the metal studs, gypsum board walls, and new concrete slabs that may be seen in several photos after the bast. Structural steel supports of the new slabs may be seen behind the original arch supporting columns; over 60-70% of the original building appears to have been replaced with new construction.
something, ( User talk:69.174.144.79) perhaps you can come in here and tell us why you have reverted my corrections to the page twice? Thank you! ovA_165443 ( talk) 13:36, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
The proposed load of additional floors and the reason that steel supports were inserted. At the moment nothing is left of the original building and this is my argument that there is nothing that can be called neoclassical. [1] ovA_165443 ( talk) 17:29, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
According to Template:Infobox_building, owner should be the current owner, not some of the past owners. -- Beardo ( talk) 14:56, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
Should it be the owner of the site or the owner of the building? -- Beardo ( talk) 17:00, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
This term is a "Weasel word which are words and phrases aimed at creating an impression that something specific and meaningful has been said, when in fact only a vague or ambiguous claim has been communicated. A common form of weasel wording is through vague attribution, where a statement is dressed with authority, yet has no substantial basis..." ovA_165443 ( talk) 16:13, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
beardo Was the Hotel Saratoga confiscated? Please read the references provided. U.S. Law is relevant to all confiscated property on the island as it is the reason the revolutionary government complains there is an embargo. Private property is stolen and allowed to deteriorate into thin air then blame a nonexistent "blockade" as the reason for the destruction. In the future, please put your comments on the talk page so anyone can address your concerns, please DO NOT put your personal comments on the article someone has to clean up your garbage. Thank you! ovA_165443 ( talk) 13:41, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
Osvaldo valdes 165443, There is a whole section in the template documentation on the height parameters. See
Template:Infobox building#Height parameters. It says: "Specify height = with no other height-related parameters, or leave height= blank and fill in one or more of the other parameters below. Use of height= along with one of the other parameters below will place the page in
Category:Pages using infobox building with parameter errors." The article is again listed as having an error, which I keep fixing and you keep re-inserting. You have to use just |height=
by itself or use the one or more of the other height parameters without |height=
. Please stop making changes when you don't understand the proper use of the template. This is definitely not
WP:Vandalism and you should also learn when it is and is not appropriate to use that term.
MB
21:54, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
Currently, the Infobox shows Coral Capital as the developer, with the source cited as https://www.cubastandard.com/anti-corruption-campaign-hits-golf-developer/ - the only mention of the Saratoga in that article is "It also spent $28 million on the Saratoga boutique hotel in the historic center of Havana". I don't see that investing money makes them the developer.
Also the timing does not work. The joint venture was created in 1996, the old building was demolished in 1997, the new hotel was designed and work started in 1998. Yet Coral Capital was only created in 1999, as confirmed by several of the articles that were mentioned here.
I have got a copy of a photo of the hotel during construction which shows a sign that read "Inversionista: Empresa Mixta Hotel Saratoga S.A." and "Proyectista: Direccion de Proyectos Oficina del Historiador"; no mention of Coral Capital.
In a private communication from Stephen Purvis, which I received a copy, he wrote "The Habaguanex team were responsible for both design and project management until handover of completed building."
So Habaguanex started the project, provided part of the capital and also ran the rebuilding. It sounds to me like they were the developer. -- Beardo ( talk) 12:02, 30 May 2022 (UTC)
Gregorio Palacio y Pérez ( Entrambasaguas, 1819 or 1820 - La Habana, 1904) arrived on the island in 1834. He became rich by selling tobacco from the fields he had acquired in the region of Pinar del Rio (don't forget that slavery was still normal in that time). At the and of the century he owned more than 100 houses in Havana. But one couldn't tell his wealth from his way of lifestyle: Jamás le vimos en coche ni bien trajeado. Por qué hacía eso no lo sabemos y es fácil qu eno lo averigüe nadie. He was buried in the Cementerio Colón where his grave can still be seen: grave on the Colon Cemetary ( detail).
sources:
RenaatPeeters ( talk) 09:13, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
References
Beardo, I agree that not all references are of equal importance, but erasing some of them because they don't seem relevant to one editor is in my opinion not the way how wikipedia works. The problem is that there are few sources about the hotel. That's not so surprising because it is (or it was until ± 2000) rather a modest hotel. Citing the sources is also ment for further study to those who want. For they are put at the bottum, they are of no hindrance to others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RenaatPeeters ( talk • contribs) 14:36, 10 June 2022 (UTC)