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I have removed information about his height, which is in my opinion completely irrelevant, even in Bavaria with its tradition of genetical superiority.
No data about family. 2.210.43.153 ( talk) 21:39, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
Please, anyone jumping to conclusions about his new, temporary status should review the discussion at Talk:Jens Böhrnsen from 2010. While in the matter of whether to call him "Acting head of state" or "Acting president" some disagreement is possible (though there is no legal basis for the term "Acting president"), it is absolutely wrong to claim that Seehofer has ceased to be President of the Bundesrat - only by holding the latter position is he now acting head of state, dischargingthe duties of the President. It might be true that he will not chair sessions of the Bundesrat during this interim but that doesn't make him any less the President of the body. Deposuit ( talk) 13:16, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
From a strictly constitutional point of view, there's no such thing like a "acting president" in Germany. If the office of the president is vacant, as it as now the case, the president of the Bundesrat temporarily becomes the highest office of the state. In that sense, Seehofer is de facto (albeit not de jure) the acting president. In any case, he remains the president of the Bundesrat, because holding that office is a precondition for "acting" as president of Germany. If he weren't president of Bundesrat anymore, the first vice president of the Bundesrat would have to act as president of the Bundesrat and as such as president of Germany. Meaning, you can't separate the two (= ex officio position). -HCM — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dthomsen8 ( talk • contribs)
I agree he is not "acting President" because he is not designated as such by German law. However, he is Germany's head of state at this time, which should not be understood as a title, but merely the generic description of his current role. Titles for heads of state, and how they are appointed, vary greatly around the world, but some person is always head of state (save in failed states). He should be referred to as acting head of state. Josh Gorand ( talk) 16:37, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
No, he did not succeed Hannelore Kraft as head of state. Josh Gorand ( talk) 13:38, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
I think there is, at least somewhat, a flaw only looking at the constitutional. The definition should also be looked at. According to Acting (law), it can mean one of 3 things. The most relevant meanings in this case is that "the person is only occupying the position temporarily, to ensure continuity." So, calling him "acting president" isn't really wrong. Kingjeff ( talk) 22:08, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
The whole point of the infobox is to show these three things. Head of state of Germany meets all three, and hence needs its own item. Josh Gorand ( talk) 14:06, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
The relevant comparison is Sabine Bergmann-Pohl, the last head of state of East Germany (in her capacity as President of the People's Chamber). Head of state is a separate item in the infobox, as she succeeded Manfred Gerlach as head of state (who was head of state by holding a different office from the domestic point of view, Chairman of the Council of State), but Günther Maleuda as President of the People's Chamber, and because these two are different offices. I could easily find numerous other examples. Josh Gorand ( talk) 16:31, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
This question was discussed previously (in 2010) and the solution ("acting head of state" with separate infobox item) described as "the most compromised position possible". If you don't accept the compromise version which is in line with the practice in all other Wikipedia articles, I'm going to insist on what most RS and even the German Foreign Ministry say: Seehofer is acting President of Germany. The German Foreign Ministry also confirms that Seehofer succeeded Wulff in the office. [1]. Josh Gorand ( talk) 16:42, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
The English Wikipedia is based on English language reliable, secondary sources. For example the New York Times, which states that Seehofer assumed "the role of acting president". [2] Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty states that Seehofer is "acting president" [3], as does the Boston Globe [4] and the BBC [5]. Even the German Foreign Ministry confirms that Seehofer replaced Wulff in the role of President. [6] A statement by the Federal Council confirms that Seehofer holds all the competencies of the President. [7] Süddeutsche Zeitung writes that Seehofer is head of state [8]. Josh Gorand ( talk) 17:08, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
After the election in September 2013, the new Deputy Ministerpresident is Ms Ilse Aigner. [1]. I changed it by the way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.53.200.74 ( talk) 14:28, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
It seems very odd to refer to someone from one of the main political parties in Germany as "Right-wing". If Lafontaine is not "Left-wing" why is Seehofer "Right-wing"? That term should be reserved for NPD etc.
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I have removed information about his height, which is in my opinion completely irrelevant, even in Bavaria with its tradition of genetical superiority.
No data about family. 2.210.43.153 ( talk) 21:39, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
Please, anyone jumping to conclusions about his new, temporary status should review the discussion at Talk:Jens Böhrnsen from 2010. While in the matter of whether to call him "Acting head of state" or "Acting president" some disagreement is possible (though there is no legal basis for the term "Acting president"), it is absolutely wrong to claim that Seehofer has ceased to be President of the Bundesrat - only by holding the latter position is he now acting head of state, dischargingthe duties of the President. It might be true that he will not chair sessions of the Bundesrat during this interim but that doesn't make him any less the President of the body. Deposuit ( talk) 13:16, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
From a strictly constitutional point of view, there's no such thing like a "acting president" in Germany. If the office of the president is vacant, as it as now the case, the president of the Bundesrat temporarily becomes the highest office of the state. In that sense, Seehofer is de facto (albeit not de jure) the acting president. In any case, he remains the president of the Bundesrat, because holding that office is a precondition for "acting" as president of Germany. If he weren't president of Bundesrat anymore, the first vice president of the Bundesrat would have to act as president of the Bundesrat and as such as president of Germany. Meaning, you can't separate the two (= ex officio position). -HCM — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dthomsen8 ( talk • contribs)
I agree he is not "acting President" because he is not designated as such by German law. However, he is Germany's head of state at this time, which should not be understood as a title, but merely the generic description of his current role. Titles for heads of state, and how they are appointed, vary greatly around the world, but some person is always head of state (save in failed states). He should be referred to as acting head of state. Josh Gorand ( talk) 16:37, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
No, he did not succeed Hannelore Kraft as head of state. Josh Gorand ( talk) 13:38, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
I think there is, at least somewhat, a flaw only looking at the constitutional. The definition should also be looked at. According to Acting (law), it can mean one of 3 things. The most relevant meanings in this case is that "the person is only occupying the position temporarily, to ensure continuity." So, calling him "acting president" isn't really wrong. Kingjeff ( talk) 22:08, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
The whole point of the infobox is to show these three things. Head of state of Germany meets all three, and hence needs its own item. Josh Gorand ( talk) 14:06, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
The relevant comparison is Sabine Bergmann-Pohl, the last head of state of East Germany (in her capacity as President of the People's Chamber). Head of state is a separate item in the infobox, as she succeeded Manfred Gerlach as head of state (who was head of state by holding a different office from the domestic point of view, Chairman of the Council of State), but Günther Maleuda as President of the People's Chamber, and because these two are different offices. I could easily find numerous other examples. Josh Gorand ( talk) 16:31, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
This question was discussed previously (in 2010) and the solution ("acting head of state" with separate infobox item) described as "the most compromised position possible". If you don't accept the compromise version which is in line with the practice in all other Wikipedia articles, I'm going to insist on what most RS and even the German Foreign Ministry say: Seehofer is acting President of Germany. The German Foreign Ministry also confirms that Seehofer succeeded Wulff in the office. [1]. Josh Gorand ( talk) 16:42, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
The English Wikipedia is based on English language reliable, secondary sources. For example the New York Times, which states that Seehofer assumed "the role of acting president". [2] Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty states that Seehofer is "acting president" [3], as does the Boston Globe [4] and the BBC [5]. Even the German Foreign Ministry confirms that Seehofer replaced Wulff in the role of President. [6] A statement by the Federal Council confirms that Seehofer holds all the competencies of the President. [7] Süddeutsche Zeitung writes that Seehofer is head of state [8]. Josh Gorand ( talk) 17:08, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
After the election in September 2013, the new Deputy Ministerpresident is Ms Ilse Aigner. [1]. I changed it by the way. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.53.200.74 ( talk) 14:28, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
It seems very odd to refer to someone from one of the main political parties in Germany as "Right-wing". If Lafontaine is not "Left-wing" why is Seehofer "Right-wing"? That term should be reserved for NPD etc.
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