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Lord Nelson is widely regarded as the man who forced neutral Denmark-Norway to side with Napoleon (in Denmark at least) by starting the battle of copenhagen and capturing the danish-norwegian navy. At the same time he also commited one of the first acknolwedge terror attacks on a capital city, in the bombardment of Copenhagen, yet the article barely mentions the battle and none of the attrocities. I consider this to be a rather important aspect of the battle. The main article about the battle should provide suffecient sources to verify what happened. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.167.145.44 ( talk) 13:24, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
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In 1805 he took over the Cádiz blockade, and on 21 October of that year Nelson's fleet engaged the Franco-Spanish one at the Battle of Trafalgar. The battle was a British victory, but during the action Nelson was fatally wounded by a French sharpshooter. Numerous monuments, such as Nelson's Column, have been created in his memory, and his signal " England expects that every man will do his duty" has been widely quoted, paraphrased and referenced.Painting: Lemuel Francis Abbott
British Admiral Horatio Lord Nelson was killed off the coast of Spain on October 21st, 1805 at the Battle of Trafalgar. His body needed to be brought back to Britain for proper burial. In order to preserve his body during the long passage back, Admiral Nelson’s body was stored on the ship in a vat of rum and the crew was forbidden to drink it. When Nelson’s body was retrieved at port, the vat was discovered dry. Apparently the crew had ignored orders and had consumed all of the rum in Admiral Nelson’s vat. From that point forward, British Royal Navy rum was known as Nelson’s Blood. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.90.62.125 ( talk) 21:38, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
I an a true born Nelson but French..of black decent. But claim my family white also. Thank you Wiki for your help. Bless the Lord of Lord. Wisdomismykin ( talk) 12:15, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
Why does an image of the "Death of Nelson" painting appear in this article? This painting is totally inaccurate and rather than inform readers of the article it misleads them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:647:CD00:7A74:B908:6A2E:519D:16A3 ( talk) 02:57, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
yo,
small issue guys, the aforementioned field does not line up properly. i experienced this issue before on Edward Routh's page, and i guess some dumb luck resulted in a fix.
are there rules for infoboxes with long lists like this? i was hoping maybe removing the bulleting or playing with the spaces would fix it. i know it's minor but it's SOOO ANNOYING, lol. it should line up!! 174.3.155.181 ( talk) 21:48, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
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The section on 'Early naval career' has a linked reference to the 'fabled North West passage' In fact they sailed NNE by Spitzbergen and were searching for the North East passage. The orders were to see if there was open water all the way to the pole, and to return if that were so. Oddly, they took whalermen as pilots, and they already knew there was impassable ice. Dean1954 ( talk) 15:11, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
I have one or two concerns about the relevance and factual accuracy of this section. It suggests, for example, that Nelson's wife was the daughter of a slave owner with £60,000 worth “stock of Negroes” and “cattle”. Frances Woolward's father may or may not have owned a slave but his money came from his position as a senior judge. Her uncle, John Herbet, was a councillor on the island and owned a large estate where she and Nelson were married. Perhaps this estate had slaves, although I don't know that for sure, and this is what is meant by "family". But in any event, what has this to do with Nelson? By all means mention his views on slavery but the rest seems somewhat undue to me. Nelson wasn't a George Washington he didn't own slaves and he didn't profit from slavery through his marriage.-- Ykraps ( talk) 08:43, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
The book to which this is referenced is here.[ [1]] On p.162 there is part of a letter to Nelson's uncle, Maurice Suckling, in which Nelson does indeed talk about Frances' uncle, who settled a debt on her behalf and must be very wealthy because he owned several plantations with "£60,000 worth stock of Negroes and cattle". So again I ask, is this relevant? Also notice the letter makes no mention of her father being a slave owner.-- Ykraps ( talk) 09:45, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
Here is the letter to Simon Taylor, published in volume xi of Cobbett's Political Review, January-June 1807, columns 295-296.[ [2]] I can see how someone with the obvious prejudiced and partisan views of Afua Hirsch might read more into this but I would say it takes a fair bit of WP:Synth to make the source fit the current wording. For a start, Nelson is not offering to fight in defence of the slave trade, he is offering to fight in defence of the West Indies.-- Ykraps ( talk) 16:30, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
Unable to stimulate debate here, I have been WP:Bold and rewritten this section to reflect what has been said in WP:Reliable sources. I hope this suits everyone. Whether it deserves a level-2 heading is another question.-- Ykraps ( talk) 11:46, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
The bit after the following line feels like editorializing. "Many of Nelson's actions indicate his position on the matter of slavery, most notably: " As previously shown in the section there is evidence on both sides, nothing listed below this sentence actually proves he was anti-slavery. Either it should be stated that the list is purely the 'he was anti-slavery' evidence or the he was pro-slavery evidence like the fact he seemingly wrote a slavery-supporting letter should be included in it to make it neutral and unbiased. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Firestar47 ( talk • contribs) 12:04, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
I have no idea where to find a reference, but I recall many years ago reading that the words "Kiss me Hardy" were actually "Kismet, Hardy.", indicating resignation to fate. ("Kismet" means "Fate".)
Does anyone know a suitable reference for this ? Darkman101 ( talk) 15:20, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
I don't know if it's necessary but there is some inconsistency between the listings of WIAs over numerous battle articles, some featuring WIA symbols, some without. Yourlocallordandsavior ( talk) 08:00, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
The text states "In 1797, the famous composer Haydn wrote a mass to commemorate Nelson’s stunning defeat over Napoleon and the French."
The Wikipedia entry for the " Missa in Angustiis" ("Mass for Troubled Times") indicates that it was was written before the Battle of the Nile, and its nickname the "Nelson Mass" was acquired because news of Nelson's success in the battle was reported around the time of its first performance in September 1798. If this is correct it would be inaccurate to state that it was written to commemorate Nelson's victory.
-- JRAC001 ( talk) 11:57, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
@ Benea I am making some copyedits to the article and I noticed that the town of San Fiorenzo / Saint-Florent is referred to as "St Fiorenzo". Although this is the name used in the source (Nelson: A Dream of Glory by John Sugden), I don't think it can be considered accurate. At Siege of San Fiorenzo, a note in the lead section explains that it is most commonly referred to as such in English-language sources. Thus, I will be changing all references to "St Fiorenzo" to "San Fiorenzo", as that was the local name and (apparently) the British name of the town at the time. If you object to this, please let me know, revert the edit, and we can discuss it further here. Toadspike ( talk) 10:22, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
At the date and time I'm writing this the article is wildly inconsistent between "Santa Cruz dé Tenerife" and "Santa Cruz de Tenerife". I don't know which is correct. The articles about the battle and the town there do not seem to have any occurrences of "dé", so I suspect "de" is correct and "dé" could be vandalism. 2600:8804:8C40:401:1C64:8308:33BC:E2D6 ( talk) 22:34, 10 September 2022 (UTC)Christopher L. Simpson
Nelson is mentioned at John Moutray. But in his BBC4 documentary "Nelson’s Caribbean Hell-Hole" here, historian Sam Willis suggests that Nelson was besotted with Moutray's wife Mary. There is more here. Nelson's time stationed at English Harbour in Antigua probably deserves more coverage. 205.239.40.3 ( talk) 22:11, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
Unclear sentence:
"He fought in several minor engagements off Toulon and was important in the capture of Corsica, where he was wounded and partially lost sight in one eye, and subsequent diplomatic duties with the Italian states."
The second clause either should be removed or someone with knowledge of the history should properly complete: "and subsequent diplomatic duties with the Italian states." Eltamarindo ( talk) 20:52, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
@ Pickersgill-Cunliffe: - re your removal of a See also link. Robert Blake was as famous in his day as was Nelson in his, and like Nelson, remains so today. Blake served under and was admired by Oliver Cromwell as an Admiral and General during the English Civil War in many major campaigns. He was the General at Sea during the First Anglo-Dutch war. For his service he was thanked by the Parliament who appointed him Council of State. After he died, of battle wounds, he laid in state in the Queen's House, Greenwich and then received a memorial parade attended by Cromwell and many state officials, after which he received a state funeral and was buried at Westminster Abbey. There is a monument in his honour and also a plaque in his honor at Westminster Abby. There are coins and stamps minted in his honour. There were several British ships named in Blake's honour. To say Blake was and is "nationally acclaimed" is not at all some subjective opinion any more than it would be to say so about Nelson, who once said "I do not reckon myself equal to Blake". Please see Robert Blake (admiral)#Final days and legacy, and the many works written about Blake if you doubt any of this. -- Gwillhickers ( talk) 17:25, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
I can't find anything in this article that says he wasn't really created a Viscount. In articles on other nobles, one can find such titles listed, with "new title" as the "predecessor", and "extinct" as the "successor". Why wouldn't this be done in Nelson's case? The omission sticks out like a sore thumb, since I came to this article by typing "Viscount Nelson" in the search-slot, and I'm sure many people come to this article the same way. 2600:1700:6759:B000:1C64:8308:33BC:E2D6 ( talk) 08:21, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Christopher Lawrence Simpson
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Lord Nelson is widely regarded as the man who forced neutral Denmark-Norway to side with Napoleon (in Denmark at least) by starting the battle of copenhagen and capturing the danish-norwegian navy. At the same time he also commited one of the first acknolwedge terror attacks on a capital city, in the bombardment of Copenhagen, yet the article barely mentions the battle and none of the attrocities. I consider this to be a rather important aspect of the battle. The main article about the battle should provide suffecient sources to verify what happened. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.167.145.44 ( talk) 13:24, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:HoratioNelson1.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on September 29, 2014. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2014-09-29. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. Thanks! — Crisco 1492 ( talk) 01:22, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
In 1805 he took over the Cádiz blockade, and on 21 October of that year Nelson's fleet engaged the Franco-Spanish one at the Battle of Trafalgar. The battle was a British victory, but during the action Nelson was fatally wounded by a French sharpshooter. Numerous monuments, such as Nelson's Column, have been created in his memory, and his signal " England expects that every man will do his duty" has been widely quoted, paraphrased and referenced.Painting: Lemuel Francis Abbott
British Admiral Horatio Lord Nelson was killed off the coast of Spain on October 21st, 1805 at the Battle of Trafalgar. His body needed to be brought back to Britain for proper burial. In order to preserve his body during the long passage back, Admiral Nelson’s body was stored on the ship in a vat of rum and the crew was forbidden to drink it. When Nelson’s body was retrieved at port, the vat was discovered dry. Apparently the crew had ignored orders and had consumed all of the rum in Admiral Nelson’s vat. From that point forward, British Royal Navy rum was known as Nelson’s Blood. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.90.62.125 ( talk) 21:38, 21 December 2015 (UTC)
I an a true born Nelson but French..of black decent. But claim my family white also. Thank you Wiki for your help. Bless the Lord of Lord. Wisdomismykin ( talk) 12:15, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
Why does an image of the "Death of Nelson" painting appear in this article? This painting is totally inaccurate and rather than inform readers of the article it misleads them. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:647:CD00:7A74:B908:6A2E:519D:16A3 ( talk) 02:57, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
yo,
small issue guys, the aforementioned field does not line up properly. i experienced this issue before on Edward Routh's page, and i guess some dumb luck resulted in a fix.
are there rules for infoboxes with long lists like this? i was hoping maybe removing the bulleting or playing with the spaces would fix it. i know it's minor but it's SOOO ANNOYING, lol. it should line up!! 174.3.155.181 ( talk) 21:48, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
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The section on 'Early naval career' has a linked reference to the 'fabled North West passage' In fact they sailed NNE by Spitzbergen and were searching for the North East passage. The orders were to see if there was open water all the way to the pole, and to return if that were so. Oddly, they took whalermen as pilots, and they already knew there was impassable ice. Dean1954 ( talk) 15:11, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
I have one or two concerns about the relevance and factual accuracy of this section. It suggests, for example, that Nelson's wife was the daughter of a slave owner with £60,000 worth “stock of Negroes” and “cattle”. Frances Woolward's father may or may not have owned a slave but his money came from his position as a senior judge. Her uncle, John Herbet, was a councillor on the island and owned a large estate where she and Nelson were married. Perhaps this estate had slaves, although I don't know that for sure, and this is what is meant by "family". But in any event, what has this to do with Nelson? By all means mention his views on slavery but the rest seems somewhat undue to me. Nelson wasn't a George Washington he didn't own slaves and he didn't profit from slavery through his marriage.-- Ykraps ( talk) 08:43, 15 April 2018 (UTC)
The book to which this is referenced is here.[ [1]] On p.162 there is part of a letter to Nelson's uncle, Maurice Suckling, in which Nelson does indeed talk about Frances' uncle, who settled a debt on her behalf and must be very wealthy because he owned several plantations with "£60,000 worth stock of Negroes and cattle". So again I ask, is this relevant? Also notice the letter makes no mention of her father being a slave owner.-- Ykraps ( talk) 09:45, 17 April 2018 (UTC)
Here is the letter to Simon Taylor, published in volume xi of Cobbett's Political Review, January-June 1807, columns 295-296.[ [2]] I can see how someone with the obvious prejudiced and partisan views of Afua Hirsch might read more into this but I would say it takes a fair bit of WP:Synth to make the source fit the current wording. For a start, Nelson is not offering to fight in defence of the slave trade, he is offering to fight in defence of the West Indies.-- Ykraps ( talk) 16:30, 20 April 2018 (UTC)
Unable to stimulate debate here, I have been WP:Bold and rewritten this section to reflect what has been said in WP:Reliable sources. I hope this suits everyone. Whether it deserves a level-2 heading is another question.-- Ykraps ( talk) 11:46, 20 May 2018 (UTC)
The bit after the following line feels like editorializing. "Many of Nelson's actions indicate his position on the matter of slavery, most notably: " As previously shown in the section there is evidence on both sides, nothing listed below this sentence actually proves he was anti-slavery. Either it should be stated that the list is purely the 'he was anti-slavery' evidence or the he was pro-slavery evidence like the fact he seemingly wrote a slavery-supporting letter should be included in it to make it neutral and unbiased. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Firestar47 ( talk • contribs) 12:04, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
I have no idea where to find a reference, but I recall many years ago reading that the words "Kiss me Hardy" were actually "Kismet, Hardy.", indicating resignation to fate. ("Kismet" means "Fate".)
Does anyone know a suitable reference for this ? Darkman101 ( talk) 15:20, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
I don't know if it's necessary but there is some inconsistency between the listings of WIAs over numerous battle articles, some featuring WIA symbols, some without. Yourlocallordandsavior ( talk) 08:00, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
The text states "In 1797, the famous composer Haydn wrote a mass to commemorate Nelson’s stunning defeat over Napoleon and the French."
The Wikipedia entry for the " Missa in Angustiis" ("Mass for Troubled Times") indicates that it was was written before the Battle of the Nile, and its nickname the "Nelson Mass" was acquired because news of Nelson's success in the battle was reported around the time of its first performance in September 1798. If this is correct it would be inaccurate to state that it was written to commemorate Nelson's victory.
-- JRAC001 ( talk) 11:57, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
@ Benea I am making some copyedits to the article and I noticed that the town of San Fiorenzo / Saint-Florent is referred to as "St Fiorenzo". Although this is the name used in the source (Nelson: A Dream of Glory by John Sugden), I don't think it can be considered accurate. At Siege of San Fiorenzo, a note in the lead section explains that it is most commonly referred to as such in English-language sources. Thus, I will be changing all references to "St Fiorenzo" to "San Fiorenzo", as that was the local name and (apparently) the British name of the town at the time. If you object to this, please let me know, revert the edit, and we can discuss it further here. Toadspike ( talk) 10:22, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
At the date and time I'm writing this the article is wildly inconsistent between "Santa Cruz dé Tenerife" and "Santa Cruz de Tenerife". I don't know which is correct. The articles about the battle and the town there do not seem to have any occurrences of "dé", so I suspect "de" is correct and "dé" could be vandalism. 2600:8804:8C40:401:1C64:8308:33BC:E2D6 ( talk) 22:34, 10 September 2022 (UTC)Christopher L. Simpson
Nelson is mentioned at John Moutray. But in his BBC4 documentary "Nelson’s Caribbean Hell-Hole" here, historian Sam Willis suggests that Nelson was besotted with Moutray's wife Mary. There is more here. Nelson's time stationed at English Harbour in Antigua probably deserves more coverage. 205.239.40.3 ( talk) 22:11, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
Unclear sentence:
"He fought in several minor engagements off Toulon and was important in the capture of Corsica, where he was wounded and partially lost sight in one eye, and subsequent diplomatic duties with the Italian states."
The second clause either should be removed or someone with knowledge of the history should properly complete: "and subsequent diplomatic duties with the Italian states." Eltamarindo ( talk) 20:52, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
@ Pickersgill-Cunliffe: - re your removal of a See also link. Robert Blake was as famous in his day as was Nelson in his, and like Nelson, remains so today. Blake served under and was admired by Oliver Cromwell as an Admiral and General during the English Civil War in many major campaigns. He was the General at Sea during the First Anglo-Dutch war. For his service he was thanked by the Parliament who appointed him Council of State. After he died, of battle wounds, he laid in state in the Queen's House, Greenwich and then received a memorial parade attended by Cromwell and many state officials, after which he received a state funeral and was buried at Westminster Abbey. There is a monument in his honour and also a plaque in his honor at Westminster Abby. There are coins and stamps minted in his honour. There were several British ships named in Blake's honour. To say Blake was and is "nationally acclaimed" is not at all some subjective opinion any more than it would be to say so about Nelson, who once said "I do not reckon myself equal to Blake". Please see Robert Blake (admiral)#Final days and legacy, and the many works written about Blake if you doubt any of this. -- Gwillhickers ( talk) 17:25, 8 September 2023 (UTC)
I can't find anything in this article that says he wasn't really created a Viscount. In articles on other nobles, one can find such titles listed, with "new title" as the "predecessor", and "extinct" as the "successor". Why wouldn't this be done in Nelson's case? The omission sticks out like a sore thumb, since I came to this article by typing "Viscount Nelson" in the search-slot, and I'm sure many people come to this article the same way. 2600:1700:6759:B000:1C64:8308:33BC:E2D6 ( talk) 08:21, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Christopher Lawrence Simpson