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Elsewhere Malotki is described as "polish american". Maybe the nationality should be scrapped unless there is some reliable source? 88.114.154.216 ( talk) 06:59, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
The article notes that Hopi can be seen as "tenseless", suggesting that there may be a connection to a lack of concept of time. But Afrikaans essentially has only the present tense, and the people who speak it have an abundant concept of time. Is that worth mentioning? -- Piledhigheranddeeper ( talk) 21:46, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
From the article: "Specifically, it has been shown that some cultural groups conceptualize the flow of time in a direction opposite to what is usual for speakers of English and other Indo-European languages, i.e. that the future is in front of the speaker and the past behind.[12][13]"
While this is accurate, perhaps, it hardly seems relevant to the Hopi time controversy. Moreover, this kind of conceptualization is present in (Mandarin, at least) Chinese, which is the most widely-spoken language in the world: "the day after tomorrow" in Mandarin is "behind-day"; "the day before yesterday" is "front-day." It seems to me as though the writer of this sentence is trying to cast some measure of doubt on the conclusion that Hopi does recognize time by bringing up information that is not strictly relevant. -- Duriancupcakes ( talk) 23:28, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
The intro states
"The Hopi time controversy is the academic debate about how the Hopi language grammaticalizes the concept of time, and about whether the differences between the ways the English and Hopi languages describe time is an example of linguistic relativity or not". Then it links to the linguistic relativity page.
Is there really such a debate at all? The article says that Malotki refutes Whorf's position. Does it mean to imply that Malotki refutes the idea of linguistic relativity or not? And what exactly does this mean? What is "an example of linguistic relativism"? Should this be interpreted as meaning that the article wants to say that Malotki does not believe that Hopi language expresses any "structure of language [which] affects the ways in which its speakers conceptualize their world, i.e. their world view, or otherwise influences their cognitive processes" (from said linguistic relativity page link)? Is that what this is trying to say? 88.114.154.216 ( talk) 12:00, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
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added a 'citation needed' for the first sentence in "The Hopi Language" section. (I'm doing this for a class). -- Escxobar ( talk) 04:49, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
This article in its entirety speaks only of colonialistic debates, includes needless repetition of debunked and harmful stereotypes without mention of how they perpetuate the genocide of Native Americans in the US and indigenous peoples worldwide, and makes not even a single mention of Hopi efforts to reclaim and restory Hopi linguistic scholarship. 2405:6580:2FE0:8500:B8D6:6826:C1ED:6EBF ( talk) 00:10, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
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Elsewhere Malotki is described as "polish american". Maybe the nationality should be scrapped unless there is some reliable source? 88.114.154.216 ( talk) 06:59, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
The article notes that Hopi can be seen as "tenseless", suggesting that there may be a connection to a lack of concept of time. But Afrikaans essentially has only the present tense, and the people who speak it have an abundant concept of time. Is that worth mentioning? -- Piledhigheranddeeper ( talk) 21:46, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
From the article: "Specifically, it has been shown that some cultural groups conceptualize the flow of time in a direction opposite to what is usual for speakers of English and other Indo-European languages, i.e. that the future is in front of the speaker and the past behind.[12][13]"
While this is accurate, perhaps, it hardly seems relevant to the Hopi time controversy. Moreover, this kind of conceptualization is present in (Mandarin, at least) Chinese, which is the most widely-spoken language in the world: "the day after tomorrow" in Mandarin is "behind-day"; "the day before yesterday" is "front-day." It seems to me as though the writer of this sentence is trying to cast some measure of doubt on the conclusion that Hopi does recognize time by bringing up information that is not strictly relevant. -- Duriancupcakes ( talk) 23:28, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
The intro states
"The Hopi time controversy is the academic debate about how the Hopi language grammaticalizes the concept of time, and about whether the differences between the ways the English and Hopi languages describe time is an example of linguistic relativity or not". Then it links to the linguistic relativity page.
Is there really such a debate at all? The article says that Malotki refutes Whorf's position. Does it mean to imply that Malotki refutes the idea of linguistic relativity or not? And what exactly does this mean? What is "an example of linguistic relativism"? Should this be interpreted as meaning that the article wants to say that Malotki does not believe that Hopi language expresses any "structure of language [which] affects the ways in which its speakers conceptualize their world, i.e. their world view, or otherwise influences their cognitive processes" (from said linguistic relativity page link)? Is that what this is trying to say? 88.114.154.216 ( talk) 12:00, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
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added a 'citation needed' for the first sentence in "The Hopi Language" section. (I'm doing this for a class). -- Escxobar ( talk) 04:49, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
This article in its entirety speaks only of colonialistic debates, includes needless repetition of debunked and harmful stereotypes without mention of how they perpetuate the genocide of Native Americans in the US and indigenous peoples worldwide, and makes not even a single mention of Hopi efforts to reclaim and restory Hopi linguistic scholarship. 2405:6580:2FE0:8500:B8D6:6826:C1ED:6EBF ( talk) 00:10, 7 December 2023 (UTC)