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I don't think merging would be a good idea. Niankhkhnum and Khnumhotep's alleged homosexuality isn't the only LGBT-related thing in ancient Egypt, there was the story of Horus and Seth, and the one about Pharaoh Neferkare and a general. – Alensha talk 01:22, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
I think that a mention of the contending of Horus and Seth would be good. The story tells of a sexual encounter between the two gods.
There is also a story about a Pharoah Neferkare and his General Sasenet who have a romantic affair. These are both stories that appear in literature not as historical record though.
But I think that they are still relevant to the article. -- 82.35.114.51 ( talk) 23:34, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
Too much street talk, it needs to be edited.
They're identical twins, or at least, that is what they are notable for. Evidence:
"Niankhkhnum and Khnumhotep, of the Fifth Dynasty, shared an impressive tomb at Saqqara. On its' walls they are represented holding hands and even embracing - which is generally only seen in couples - expressing their close relationship. Niankhkhnum as the eldest twin is accorded a slight superiority in his position in the scenes. They occupied the same post, that of the manicurist to the king, which means that they belongeg to the inner court circles. Moreover, they were administrators of the royal properties, which explains that wealth of their burial" from 'growing up and getting old in ancient egypt' by Rosalind M. and Jac. J. Janseen, London 2007. Page 10.
To say that the representation of them in the tomb is definitive proof of their homosexuality seems unfounded. Heilingetorix ( talk) 13:29, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
I took away the stuff about N&K being the FIRST homosexual couple in the HISTORY OF THE WORLD because that seems like a relatively strong conclusion to draw on small evidence, and combined with the picture it makes the article seem very centered on this one relationship. I also changed the header so it says 'Historical Examples' or something similar. I revised and expanded the Seth and Horus anecdote - it was confusing, and also, it is a satire, not mainstream cosmology like it said.
Images: I have a picture of a ramesside ostraca of two guys having sex, which I thought might be good for this. I photographed it out of Wit & Humor in Ancient Egypt. I don't know if it suits the copyright policy, but it seems relevant, can anyone advise me on this matter? Heilingetorix ( talk) 17:57, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
There's a particular passage in this article that uses this phrase, and I cannot parse it due to lack of background knowledge. This passage could mean that surviving Egyptian documents use euphemisms to discuss any mention of sex, or, alternatively, that there are Egyptian documents that use direct language to describe sex, none of which discuss men having sex with men. It's also just a nasty bit of writing that I'd really like to replace with something better, which I cannot do until I understand it. -- Blah2 ( talk) 12:56, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
In number 11 of The 42 Negative Confessions (from The Papyrus of Ani), it is written: "I have not committed adultery, I have not lain with men."
The papyrus was said to be written sometime during 1250 BCE.
Smilelaughenjoy (
talk) 03:09, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
This entire article is awash with errors of grammar, punctuation, and syntax. It reads like a high-schooler's book report. It needs a total overhaul by a competent writer. DesertSkies120 ( talk) 04:05, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
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I don't think merging would be a good idea. Niankhkhnum and Khnumhotep's alleged homosexuality isn't the only LGBT-related thing in ancient Egypt, there was the story of Horus and Seth, and the one about Pharaoh Neferkare and a general. – Alensha talk 01:22, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
I think that a mention of the contending of Horus and Seth would be good. The story tells of a sexual encounter between the two gods.
There is also a story about a Pharoah Neferkare and his General Sasenet who have a romantic affair. These are both stories that appear in literature not as historical record though.
But I think that they are still relevant to the article. -- 82.35.114.51 ( talk) 23:34, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
Too much street talk, it needs to be edited.
They're identical twins, or at least, that is what they are notable for. Evidence:
"Niankhkhnum and Khnumhotep, of the Fifth Dynasty, shared an impressive tomb at Saqqara. On its' walls they are represented holding hands and even embracing - which is generally only seen in couples - expressing their close relationship. Niankhkhnum as the eldest twin is accorded a slight superiority in his position in the scenes. They occupied the same post, that of the manicurist to the king, which means that they belongeg to the inner court circles. Moreover, they were administrators of the royal properties, which explains that wealth of their burial" from 'growing up and getting old in ancient egypt' by Rosalind M. and Jac. J. Janseen, London 2007. Page 10.
To say that the representation of them in the tomb is definitive proof of their homosexuality seems unfounded. Heilingetorix ( talk) 13:29, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
I took away the stuff about N&K being the FIRST homosexual couple in the HISTORY OF THE WORLD because that seems like a relatively strong conclusion to draw on small evidence, and combined with the picture it makes the article seem very centered on this one relationship. I also changed the header so it says 'Historical Examples' or something similar. I revised and expanded the Seth and Horus anecdote - it was confusing, and also, it is a satire, not mainstream cosmology like it said.
Images: I have a picture of a ramesside ostraca of two guys having sex, which I thought might be good for this. I photographed it out of Wit & Humor in Ancient Egypt. I don't know if it suits the copyright policy, but it seems relevant, can anyone advise me on this matter? Heilingetorix ( talk) 17:57, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
There's a particular passage in this article that uses this phrase, and I cannot parse it due to lack of background knowledge. This passage could mean that surviving Egyptian documents use euphemisms to discuss any mention of sex, or, alternatively, that there are Egyptian documents that use direct language to describe sex, none of which discuss men having sex with men. It's also just a nasty bit of writing that I'd really like to replace with something better, which I cannot do until I understand it. -- Blah2 ( talk) 12:56, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
In number 11 of The 42 Negative Confessions (from The Papyrus of Ani), it is written: "I have not committed adultery, I have not lain with men."
The papyrus was said to be written sometime during 1250 BCE.
Smilelaughenjoy (
talk) 03:09, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
This entire article is awash with errors of grammar, punctuation, and syntax. It reads like a high-schooler's book report. It needs a total overhaul by a competent writer. DesertSkies120 ( talk) 04:05, 10 December 2022 (UTC)