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This article needs a new title. I will be moving it to "Gay sex" by this time tomorrow if there are no objections. The article is about nothing except sexual practices, so it should be given an article title that represents what it is about. "Behavior" is a word so broad that it could potentially include the habit of taking the bus to work, brushing one's teeth, reading the novels of Proust, etc., none of which are under the domain of this article. In addition, the word "homosexual" is considered quite clinical and old-fashioned, and "gay" is the accepted and usual term these days. Moreover, there is something vaguely homophobic about an article called "Homosexual behavior," as if there is any "behavior" exclusive to gay people. For those reasons, I plan on making the change, but I wanted to announce it here first in case someone had objections or suggestions. Moncrief 05:18, Mar 23, 2004 (UTC)
Same-sex sexual practices? If homosexual behavior is about sex only (not include kissing etc), i am okay with that. i guess homosexual behavior is a specialized term for sexology, not sure... --Yacht 09:38, Mar 23, 2004 (UTC)
For the record, I did not move this page to its new title. I would have been quite happy to continue the discussion another day, or longer if concerns remained. It's sort of unfortunate someone decided to move the title without engaging in the discussion here. Moncrief 09:51, Mar 23, 2004 (UTC)
My apologies. For the record, I think that there are two articles needed - "homosexual behaviour" is not limited to same-sex sexual activity: there's a whole separate article needed on homosexual/queer culture, self-image and lifestyle. (For example, consider celibate homosexuals, of which there are many). It's just that this article was entirely about sex. I'll tweak things a bit, and see if I can improve the situation. -- The Anome 10:41, 23 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Same-sex seems to cover this well and isn't as likely to be perceived as offensive by those who self-identify as bisexual, ominsexual or something else other than gay. Jamesday 16:24, 6 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Do prep schools really foster same-sex sexual behaviour? I assumed this was some sort of urban legend. Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 11:24, 23 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I am not sure y this is removed: "For men, if anal sex is involved, it may cause prostate orgasm, which is uncommon in hetreosexual behavior." -- Yacht 02:37, Mar 24, 2004 (UTC)
I've listed this article as a candidate for deletion. It seems to me that there's really nowhere this page can go except to be a list of sexual practices, and such a list already exists at list of sexology topics. After all, we all pretty much do the same things: oral, genital, anal sex, masturbation/mutual masturbation, kissing, and variations on the above. Exploding Boy 12:26, Mar 31, 2004 (UTC)
You appear to be forgetting such things as the differences in frequency and legality of the various activity types when practiced in the different contexts. It seems quite unlikely that PIV sex is as common in same-sex relationships and rather likely that dildo in harness sex is more common in female-female situations than female-male or male-male, though it and variations are present in both. There's ample material for an article on each which covers such differences. Jamesday 16:22, 6 Apr 2004 (UTC)
If you mean to merge all the useful info into one artilce, that's reasonable. But i guess as the article grows, we will finally split them into separated articles. I recommend to remain this article as a redirect. I am not quite sure about that, but i've heard that SSP is a specialized term in sexology. -- Yacht 01:54, Apr 8, 2004 (UTC)
Although I am mainly focussing on a more accurate parallel page than this one, the term gender is more accurate within the context of this page than "Sex". Witness the issues surrounding the "same-gender" marriage case in Texas several years ago, where the state of Texas allowed two lesbian women to legally wed because Texas refuses to recognize legal "sex changes" (i.e. gender changes) from other states. So "sex" and "gender" are in fact to overlapping but separate issues. In other words, two people whose genetic "sex" were different had the same legal gender in states OTHER than Texas. The same couple could not legally wed in other states because they are in the eyes of other states two women (gender). Lestatdelc 22:12, Apr 9, 2004 (UTC) (forgot to add my name/timestamp)
"Same-sex sex" just sounds too sexy (!) so I moved gay sex to Homosexual practices. It could also go at Homosexual activity.
I guess people are quibbling about whether two guys getting it on are necessarily "homosexual" -- in the sense of having a homosexual identitiy or "identifying themselves as homosexual". It seems part of the mystique of homosexuality is a refusal to be pinned down on anything, including what to call it all.
I hope we can settle this in an amicable way. And if anyone wants to write about the various terms and/or euphemisms, and why various indidividuals or groups prefer them -- why, then that will make for a great article in and of itself. -- Uncle Ed 20:37, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)
See the new Wikipedia:WikiProject Sexology. Hyacinth 23:04, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)
This is the second time in less than several hours 80.255 has unilaterally reverted edits of "sex" to "gender" without discussion and in disregard to the stated rationale for the change to "gender" in the first place. I am not looking for an edit war, but this capricious reverting is counter-productive. As I outlined above when I reverted it back to "gender" I provided the rationale as to why. I would like to hear what the justification is and have it discussed here before I act in haste and revert back to my original edit on the matter. The reason for 80.255's edits in the summary are inadequate in my opinion as a reason to make the change yet again in spite of the rationale for the edit to gender I made initially. Lestatdelc 22:18, Apr 9, 2004 (UTC)
I'm confused. Wasn't this page called Same-sex sexual practices?? Wasn't it listed for deletion? People seem to be moving things around before there's any consensus and it's making things difficult to keep up with. Exploding Boy 02:31, Apr 10, 2004 (UTC)
Also, I would point out that many of the things being discussed here right now -- including sex vs gender -- have been bitterly debated in the past. Please see the archives of this and other talk pages for some of those arguments, justifications and compromises. Exploding Boy 02:33, Apr 10, 2004 (UTC)
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This has been removed without debate again?! Marnanel 01:07, Apr 13, 2004 (UTC)
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This article needs a new title. I will be moving it to "Gay sex" by this time tomorrow if there are no objections. The article is about nothing except sexual practices, so it should be given an article title that represents what it is about. "Behavior" is a word so broad that it could potentially include the habit of taking the bus to work, brushing one's teeth, reading the novels of Proust, etc., none of which are under the domain of this article. In addition, the word "homosexual" is considered quite clinical and old-fashioned, and "gay" is the accepted and usual term these days. Moreover, there is something vaguely homophobic about an article called "Homosexual behavior," as if there is any "behavior" exclusive to gay people. For those reasons, I plan on making the change, but I wanted to announce it here first in case someone had objections or suggestions. Moncrief 05:18, Mar 23, 2004 (UTC)
Same-sex sexual practices? If homosexual behavior is about sex only (not include kissing etc), i am okay with that. i guess homosexual behavior is a specialized term for sexology, not sure... --Yacht 09:38, Mar 23, 2004 (UTC)
For the record, I did not move this page to its new title. I would have been quite happy to continue the discussion another day, or longer if concerns remained. It's sort of unfortunate someone decided to move the title without engaging in the discussion here. Moncrief 09:51, Mar 23, 2004 (UTC)
My apologies. For the record, I think that there are two articles needed - "homosexual behaviour" is not limited to same-sex sexual activity: there's a whole separate article needed on homosexual/queer culture, self-image and lifestyle. (For example, consider celibate homosexuals, of which there are many). It's just that this article was entirely about sex. I'll tweak things a bit, and see if I can improve the situation. -- The Anome 10:41, 23 Mar 2004 (UTC)
Same-sex seems to cover this well and isn't as likely to be perceived as offensive by those who self-identify as bisexual, ominsexual or something else other than gay. Jamesday 16:24, 6 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Do prep schools really foster same-sex sexual behaviour? I assumed this was some sort of urban legend. Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 11:24, 23 Mar 2004 (UTC)
I am not sure y this is removed: "For men, if anal sex is involved, it may cause prostate orgasm, which is uncommon in hetreosexual behavior." -- Yacht 02:37, Mar 24, 2004 (UTC)
I've listed this article as a candidate for deletion. It seems to me that there's really nowhere this page can go except to be a list of sexual practices, and such a list already exists at list of sexology topics. After all, we all pretty much do the same things: oral, genital, anal sex, masturbation/mutual masturbation, kissing, and variations on the above. Exploding Boy 12:26, Mar 31, 2004 (UTC)
You appear to be forgetting such things as the differences in frequency and legality of the various activity types when practiced in the different contexts. It seems quite unlikely that PIV sex is as common in same-sex relationships and rather likely that dildo in harness sex is more common in female-female situations than female-male or male-male, though it and variations are present in both. There's ample material for an article on each which covers such differences. Jamesday 16:22, 6 Apr 2004 (UTC)
If you mean to merge all the useful info into one artilce, that's reasonable. But i guess as the article grows, we will finally split them into separated articles. I recommend to remain this article as a redirect. I am not quite sure about that, but i've heard that SSP is a specialized term in sexology. -- Yacht 01:54, Apr 8, 2004 (UTC)
Although I am mainly focussing on a more accurate parallel page than this one, the term gender is more accurate within the context of this page than "Sex". Witness the issues surrounding the "same-gender" marriage case in Texas several years ago, where the state of Texas allowed two lesbian women to legally wed because Texas refuses to recognize legal "sex changes" (i.e. gender changes) from other states. So "sex" and "gender" are in fact to overlapping but separate issues. In other words, two people whose genetic "sex" were different had the same legal gender in states OTHER than Texas. The same couple could not legally wed in other states because they are in the eyes of other states two women (gender). Lestatdelc 22:12, Apr 9, 2004 (UTC) (forgot to add my name/timestamp)
"Same-sex sex" just sounds too sexy (!) so I moved gay sex to Homosexual practices. It could also go at Homosexual activity.
I guess people are quibbling about whether two guys getting it on are necessarily "homosexual" -- in the sense of having a homosexual identitiy or "identifying themselves as homosexual". It seems part of the mystique of homosexuality is a refusal to be pinned down on anything, including what to call it all.
I hope we can settle this in an amicable way. And if anyone wants to write about the various terms and/or euphemisms, and why various indidividuals or groups prefer them -- why, then that will make for a great article in and of itself. -- Uncle Ed 20:37, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)
See the new Wikipedia:WikiProject Sexology. Hyacinth 23:04, 9 Apr 2004 (UTC)
This is the second time in less than several hours 80.255 has unilaterally reverted edits of "sex" to "gender" without discussion and in disregard to the stated rationale for the change to "gender" in the first place. I am not looking for an edit war, but this capricious reverting is counter-productive. As I outlined above when I reverted it back to "gender" I provided the rationale as to why. I would like to hear what the justification is and have it discussed here before I act in haste and revert back to my original edit on the matter. The reason for 80.255's edits in the summary are inadequate in my opinion as a reason to make the change yet again in spite of the rationale for the edit to gender I made initially. Lestatdelc 22:18, Apr 9, 2004 (UTC)
I'm confused. Wasn't this page called Same-sex sexual practices?? Wasn't it listed for deletion? People seem to be moving things around before there's any consensus and it's making things difficult to keep up with. Exploding Boy 02:31, Apr 10, 2004 (UTC)
Also, I would point out that many of the things being discussed here right now -- including sex vs gender -- have been bitterly debated in the past. Please see the archives of this and other talk pages for some of those arguments, justifications and compromises. Exploding Boy 02:33, Apr 10, 2004 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Same-sex sexual practices
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This has been removed without debate again?! Marnanel 01:07, Apr 13, 2004 (UTC)