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do you know any composers in the baroque era that wrote music with homophonic texture?
This article overlaps with homophony and could simply be added as its own section to homophony. If no one protests, I'll do so. -- Ci e lomobile talk / contribs 17:49, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
I gotta warn ya, this probably won't pass, the only reference seems to require either a subscription to a service or a "free trial", and that's not exactly a high-class reference. Course, there's only one anyway, so that's a big problem. I won't review it because its new on the list, but still, I recommend you take it off and work on the article some more. Homestarmy 00:48, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
The article claims that homophony dates back to the XVIth century, which is apparently not true, as it was quite well known in mediaeval times and perhaps even earlier. It was in the XVIth century however, that homophony started to attain its dominant position in the European musical culture. -- Dmitry Gerasimov 07:57, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
The article claims that a homophonic texture is also homorhythmic. Whilst the addition of (or uses a "very similar rhythm") does clear up some confusion, the vast majority of homophonic music is not homorhythmic. Homorhythm is a special case of homophony. Petrusg ( talk) 13:42, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
As of 7 October 2006, I'm making a speedy failing for good article, because this article is totally unsourced, per WP:WIAGA. Please read again WP:CITE to conform the three pillars of Wikipedia: verifiability, neutral point of view and no original research. The only source given is an online music website, only accessible via subscription. Thus it cannot be verified. If this matter has been resolved, you may renominate this article back. You may also object this review by submit it in WP:GA/R. Cheers. — Indon ( reply) — 02:34, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
After reviewing the article in accordance to the
Good Article Criteria, I am declining the article's GA nomination at this time for concerns listed below. I think this is a good start of a technical article but it lacks the substance needed to bring life to the subject and leaves the reader curious for more details.
1. It is well written. - Pass
2. It is factually accurate and verifiable. - Weak Pass
3. It is broad in its coverage. - Needs Improvement
4. It follows the neutral point of view policy - Pass
5. It is stable - Pass
6. It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic. - Pass
I want to thank the article's editors for all their hard work and dedication that put into this article. It has a lot of good merit and serves as a good base for expansion more into the kind of areas I mentioned above. I encourage you to seek renomination once the coverage concerns have been addressed. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me.
Agne 09:36, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
Also, it is hard to recount the history of homophony before the Baroque peiod, seeing as notation only surfaced really towards the end of the Medieval period, and most notated music was sacred and monophonic. I did add a small snippit about pre-Baroque homophony, but like I said, there's not much to go on. -- Ci e lomobile talk / contribs 16:23, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
Just want to drop a note that I kept this article on my watchlist and I have been duly impressed with the quick improvements the article has already made in such a short time. My kudos to the editors here. Keep up the good work and I'm sure we'll see the article on the GA list in the near future. Agne 00:23, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
What particular sections of Wikibooks:IB Music/Music History/Medieval Period where used as a source? Hyacinth 21:59, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
I propose that all three images in this article be displayed larger and centered. Currently they aren't readable on my monitor. In the meantime I have increased the size of the last two images by 25px, which makes the Chopin visible. Hyacinth 22:24, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Is the music sample the music notated above in the image? If so they should reference each other through "hear music sample below" and "see notation above", if not that should be clarified. Hyacinth 22:45, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
I have expanded the history section to include non-western music and added a sentence on jazz and such, but as per the GA reviewer's request, we still need to include more on the liturgical history of homophony. Also to do is changing the homophonic composers list to homophonic pieces, but that shouldn't take too much effort. -- Ci e lomobile talk / contribs 05:28, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Copied from the FAC page:
"You haven't dealt with the problem that "vertical harmony" had been inherent ever since polyphony developed in the 12th/13th centuries. And the non-expert will wonder about the relevance of the "basso continuo" bit in relation to homphony. It probably needs to be dealt with further down, when you can explain it in the necessary detail and even show notated examples of its realisation. You might also provide an example of recitative, a quintessential form of homophony in the Baroque (since the isolated chords are "prolonged" through the single-line recitations). I still don't see the relevance of SATB right here; it complicates matters, since SATB can be polyphonic too. Why introduce it? Again, it hearks back to harmony textbooks, I fear." -- Tony
As I understand it, vertical harmony is a byproduct of multiple voices in polyphony, at best. When you listen to a polyphonic piece, you typically don't hear the harmonys—each melodic line is heard seperately. While these harmonies may have technically existed, you neither hear them nor look for them when analyzing the music. If you listen to a 16th century madrigal, for example, you would hear each voice individually, would you not?
Although I have no expert qualifications (admittedly, I'm only a higher level IB Music student), I am fairly confident that this is true, seeing as I have learned this from an expert, verefied it with outside sources and observed it myself. -- Ci e lomobile talk / contribs 21:07, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
I have cleaned up and condensed a lot of the changes made by User:Meladina in attempt to polish the article, as some of the definitions added were repetitive, in my opinion. I'm also removing the external links section, because I feel that they are irrelevant and it does not fit Wikipedia to house them. -- Ci e lomobile talk / contribs 18:48, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Delete
Is there any good reason why this is article is not located at "homophony", since it redirects here? Can we move it there? Chubbles 06:02, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
I've never heard this term, and don't have access to Grove's, and I'm a little suspicious. As defined here (and with the examples provided) it seems this term basically means "melody with accompaniment". I have trouble believing that Grove's really uses the term "homophony" so broadly. Perhaps what they really mean is hymn-style four-part writing, with the melody on top? Can someone quote a relevant passage from the Grove citation? — Wahoofive ( talk) 04:01, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm afraid the quoted passage doesn't make much sense without seeing Grove's example 2. Even if what they mean is that the accompaniment is homophonic, the Chopin example here arguably doesn't fit either, since the boom-chuck left-hand part is a kind of syncopation. — Wahoofive ( talk) 17:24, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. The article history has been updated to reflect this review.
Still to be improved: Wikibooks is not a reliable source. This should be replaced, perhaps one of the other references, which seem satisfactory. Lampman ( talk) 10:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
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Homophony has been listed as one of the Music good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it. | ||||||||||||||||
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Current status: Good article |
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do you know any composers in the baroque era that wrote music with homophonic texture?
This article overlaps with homophony and could simply be added as its own section to homophony. If no one protests, I'll do so. -- Ci e lomobile talk / contribs 17:49, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
I gotta warn ya, this probably won't pass, the only reference seems to require either a subscription to a service or a "free trial", and that's not exactly a high-class reference. Course, there's only one anyway, so that's a big problem. I won't review it because its new on the list, but still, I recommend you take it off and work on the article some more. Homestarmy 00:48, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
The article claims that homophony dates back to the XVIth century, which is apparently not true, as it was quite well known in mediaeval times and perhaps even earlier. It was in the XVIth century however, that homophony started to attain its dominant position in the European musical culture. -- Dmitry Gerasimov 07:57, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
The article claims that a homophonic texture is also homorhythmic. Whilst the addition of (or uses a "very similar rhythm") does clear up some confusion, the vast majority of homophonic music is not homorhythmic. Homorhythm is a special case of homophony. Petrusg ( talk) 13:42, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
As of 7 October 2006, I'm making a speedy failing for good article, because this article is totally unsourced, per WP:WIAGA. Please read again WP:CITE to conform the three pillars of Wikipedia: verifiability, neutral point of view and no original research. The only source given is an online music website, only accessible via subscription. Thus it cannot be verified. If this matter has been resolved, you may renominate this article back. You may also object this review by submit it in WP:GA/R. Cheers. — Indon ( reply) — 02:34, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
After reviewing the article in accordance to the
Good Article Criteria, I am declining the article's GA nomination at this time for concerns listed below. I think this is a good start of a technical article but it lacks the substance needed to bring life to the subject and leaves the reader curious for more details.
1. It is well written. - Pass
2. It is factually accurate and verifiable. - Weak Pass
3. It is broad in its coverage. - Needs Improvement
4. It follows the neutral point of view policy - Pass
5. It is stable - Pass
6. It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic. - Pass
I want to thank the article's editors for all their hard work and dedication that put into this article. It has a lot of good merit and serves as a good base for expansion more into the kind of areas I mentioned above. I encourage you to seek renomination once the coverage concerns have been addressed. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me.
Agne 09:36, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
Also, it is hard to recount the history of homophony before the Baroque peiod, seeing as notation only surfaced really towards the end of the Medieval period, and most notated music was sacred and monophonic. I did add a small snippit about pre-Baroque homophony, but like I said, there's not much to go on. -- Ci e lomobile talk / contribs 16:23, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
Just want to drop a note that I kept this article on my watchlist and I have been duly impressed with the quick improvements the article has already made in such a short time. My kudos to the editors here. Keep up the good work and I'm sure we'll see the article on the GA list in the near future. Agne 00:23, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
What particular sections of Wikibooks:IB Music/Music History/Medieval Period where used as a source? Hyacinth 21:59, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
I propose that all three images in this article be displayed larger and centered. Currently they aren't readable on my monitor. In the meantime I have increased the size of the last two images by 25px, which makes the Chopin visible. Hyacinth 22:24, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Is the music sample the music notated above in the image? If so they should reference each other through "hear music sample below" and "see notation above", if not that should be clarified. Hyacinth 22:45, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
I have expanded the history section to include non-western music and added a sentence on jazz and such, but as per the GA reviewer's request, we still need to include more on the liturgical history of homophony. Also to do is changing the homophonic composers list to homophonic pieces, but that shouldn't take too much effort. -- Ci e lomobile talk / contribs 05:28, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
Copied from the FAC page:
"You haven't dealt with the problem that "vertical harmony" had been inherent ever since polyphony developed in the 12th/13th centuries. And the non-expert will wonder about the relevance of the "basso continuo" bit in relation to homphony. It probably needs to be dealt with further down, when you can explain it in the necessary detail and even show notated examples of its realisation. You might also provide an example of recitative, a quintessential form of homophony in the Baroque (since the isolated chords are "prolonged" through the single-line recitations). I still don't see the relevance of SATB right here; it complicates matters, since SATB can be polyphonic too. Why introduce it? Again, it hearks back to harmony textbooks, I fear." -- Tony
As I understand it, vertical harmony is a byproduct of multiple voices in polyphony, at best. When you listen to a polyphonic piece, you typically don't hear the harmonys—each melodic line is heard seperately. While these harmonies may have technically existed, you neither hear them nor look for them when analyzing the music. If you listen to a 16th century madrigal, for example, you would hear each voice individually, would you not?
Although I have no expert qualifications (admittedly, I'm only a higher level IB Music student), I am fairly confident that this is true, seeing as I have learned this from an expert, verefied it with outside sources and observed it myself. -- Ci e lomobile talk / contribs 21:07, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
I have cleaned up and condensed a lot of the changes made by User:Meladina in attempt to polish the article, as some of the definitions added were repetitive, in my opinion. I'm also removing the external links section, because I feel that they are irrelevant and it does not fit Wikipedia to house them. -- Ci e lomobile talk / contribs 18:48, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Delete
Is there any good reason why this is article is not located at "homophony", since it redirects here? Can we move it there? Chubbles 06:02, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
I've never heard this term, and don't have access to Grove's, and I'm a little suspicious. As defined here (and with the examples provided) it seems this term basically means "melody with accompaniment". I have trouble believing that Grove's really uses the term "homophony" so broadly. Perhaps what they really mean is hymn-style four-part writing, with the melody on top? Can someone quote a relevant passage from the Grove citation? — Wahoofive ( talk) 04:01, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm afraid the quoted passage doesn't make much sense without seeing Grove's example 2. Even if what they mean is that the accompaniment is homophonic, the Chopin example here arguably doesn't fit either, since the boom-chuck left-hand part is a kind of syncopation. — Wahoofive ( talk) 17:24, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
This article has been reviewed as part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force. I believe the article currently meets the criteria and should remain listed as a Good article. The article history has been updated to reflect this review.
Still to be improved: Wikibooks is not a reliable source. This should be replaced, perhaps one of the other references, which seem satisfactory. Lampman ( talk) 10:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
Sex drugs rocken roll 2405:6E00:3182:1C00:4CB2:BD68:BFB7:DFB0 ( talk) 19:38, 15 October 2023 (UTC)