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With the pluralistic reconfiguration of the Most Holy Place article, this article is redundant.-- Rojerts 20:38, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Removed comment: "It should be noted that there are no official Church publications which verify the existence of a Holy of Holies, and that such a principle is not actively taught in the LDS Church."
To substantiate that the Holy of Holies of the Salt Lake Temple has been verified by the Church, please see http://farms.byu.edu/display.php?table=review&id=366 -- Rojerts 15:04, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Fair enough, but having read the articles, I see nothing that would substantiate the claim that the church actively teaches what the purpose of the Holy of Holies is. Can you provide any citation that does?
But what I'm not seeing, and what could put this all to rest, is some sort of evidence that Talmage, or any other member of Church leadership, has taught, or teaches today, that the Prophet goes to the Holy of Holies to literally convene with God. This appears to be speculation, much like some of the "active teachings" that are limited to location and audience. And if that is in fact true, and it is only taught to a limited amount of people in limited circumstances, why are you broadcasting it in an Encyclopedia?
[a little more than half way through the document]
[at the end of the document]
-- Rojerts 21:09, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Some additional references, this time from the scriptures:
-- Rojerts 15:44, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
I have heard it speculated that temples other than Salt Lake and Manti have had a Holy of Holies built within them, for various reasons. The Ordinance room article specifically mentions one area of the original Nauvoo temple as having been called a "Holy of Holies", and perhaps due to its size and its external similarity to the Salt Lake temple, the Washington D.C. Temple. If it does exist, it may be used as a sealing room in a manner similar to how the one in the Manti Temple is used.
One other little bit of trivia that is missing from this article is the relationship with the Holy of Holies and the "Holy Room", or the external sacred alter room immediately adjacent to the Holy of Holies. While not as sacred as the Holy of Holies, this is certainly a room of very high spiritual sacredness. In modern LDS temples, this room is most commonly referred to as the Celestial room. In the case of the Holy of Holies in both Salt Lake and Manti, these are rooms whose only entrance/exit is facing into the Celestial Room itself.
One unique feature of the Holy of Holies in Salt Lake is a rather large stained glass window that looks rather similar to this image found at the Church History Museum. This can be seen (without actually entering the room, instead seeing the window from the other side) by going to a clerks' office that is adjacent to one of the exits of the Celestial Room, and can be seen by most LDS members who attend endowment sessions in the Salt Lake Temple if they take the time to look. The door to the Holy of Holies itself is usually blocked by a simple table and a modest vase... and a few temple workers who "guard" the room to keep the curious out of there. The doors to this room are filled with panes of frosted glass, so you can't really see what is going on inside. -- Robert Horning ( talk) 21:33, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
I find it odd that a "citation needed" was couched directly upon a citation.
Several years ago, an anonymous editor constantly demanded citations, saying that none could be produced to support the "claims" of a holy of holies in the SL Temple. Well, after finding multiple citations from big hitters, it still seems as though Talmage isn't authority enough.
Please--if you have an issue, discuss it here. And if this is the same person as before, I'd be nice (but not necessary) if you'd sign your name so that we'd know who we are addressing, and if it's the same person.
Cheers, -- Rojerts ( talk) 23:38, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
I don't think that "most holy place" should be capitalized as "Most Holy Place" in this particular article. While the name of this place is capitalized in some English-language Bible translations, it is not capitalized in others, including the King James Version. (See here to compare Exodus 26:33 in different versions.) Since the LDS Church has adopted the KJV as its official English-language Bible text, I think it makes sense to follow the capitalization used in the KJV for this particular article. (The term is also not capitalized in the Mormon scripture Doctrine and Covenants.) Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:03, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
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With the pluralistic reconfiguration of the Most Holy Place article, this article is redundant.-- Rojerts 20:38, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Removed comment: "It should be noted that there are no official Church publications which verify the existence of a Holy of Holies, and that such a principle is not actively taught in the LDS Church."
To substantiate that the Holy of Holies of the Salt Lake Temple has been verified by the Church, please see http://farms.byu.edu/display.php?table=review&id=366 -- Rojerts 15:04, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
Fair enough, but having read the articles, I see nothing that would substantiate the claim that the church actively teaches what the purpose of the Holy of Holies is. Can you provide any citation that does?
But what I'm not seeing, and what could put this all to rest, is some sort of evidence that Talmage, or any other member of Church leadership, has taught, or teaches today, that the Prophet goes to the Holy of Holies to literally convene with God. This appears to be speculation, much like some of the "active teachings" that are limited to location and audience. And if that is in fact true, and it is only taught to a limited amount of people in limited circumstances, why are you broadcasting it in an Encyclopedia?
[a little more than half way through the document]
[at the end of the document]
-- Rojerts 21:09, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
Some additional references, this time from the scriptures:
-- Rojerts 15:44, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
I have heard it speculated that temples other than Salt Lake and Manti have had a Holy of Holies built within them, for various reasons. The Ordinance room article specifically mentions one area of the original Nauvoo temple as having been called a "Holy of Holies", and perhaps due to its size and its external similarity to the Salt Lake temple, the Washington D.C. Temple. If it does exist, it may be used as a sealing room in a manner similar to how the one in the Manti Temple is used.
One other little bit of trivia that is missing from this article is the relationship with the Holy of Holies and the "Holy Room", or the external sacred alter room immediately adjacent to the Holy of Holies. While not as sacred as the Holy of Holies, this is certainly a room of very high spiritual sacredness. In modern LDS temples, this room is most commonly referred to as the Celestial room. In the case of the Holy of Holies in both Salt Lake and Manti, these are rooms whose only entrance/exit is facing into the Celestial Room itself.
One unique feature of the Holy of Holies in Salt Lake is a rather large stained glass window that looks rather similar to this image found at the Church History Museum. This can be seen (without actually entering the room, instead seeing the window from the other side) by going to a clerks' office that is adjacent to one of the exits of the Celestial Room, and can be seen by most LDS members who attend endowment sessions in the Salt Lake Temple if they take the time to look. The door to the Holy of Holies itself is usually blocked by a simple table and a modest vase... and a few temple workers who "guard" the room to keep the curious out of there. The doors to this room are filled with panes of frosted glass, so you can't really see what is going on inside. -- Robert Horning ( talk) 21:33, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
I find it odd that a "citation needed" was couched directly upon a citation.
Several years ago, an anonymous editor constantly demanded citations, saying that none could be produced to support the "claims" of a holy of holies in the SL Temple. Well, after finding multiple citations from big hitters, it still seems as though Talmage isn't authority enough.
Please--if you have an issue, discuss it here. And if this is the same person as before, I'd be nice (but not necessary) if you'd sign your name so that we'd know who we are addressing, and if it's the same person.
Cheers, -- Rojerts ( talk) 23:38, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
I don't think that "most holy place" should be capitalized as "Most Holy Place" in this particular article. While the name of this place is capitalized in some English-language Bible translations, it is not capitalized in others, including the King James Version. (See here to compare Exodus 26:33 in different versions.) Since the LDS Church has adopted the KJV as its official English-language Bible text, I think it makes sense to follow the capitalization used in the KJV for this particular article. (The term is also not capitalized in the Mormon scripture Doctrine and Covenants.) Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:03, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
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