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I should imagine you're watching this, Witty Lama. :) Two questions: (1) Could you ask the curator which is the best dead tree source, and (2) Are you allowed to grab your digicam and take a photo? I stupidly didn't take one and I don't really want to get back on the train to London if I can avoid it. I see Victuallers has found one. Cheers—
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Holy Thorn Reliquary should be a disambiguation page. There are other Holy Thorn Reliquaries, see fr:Reliquaire de la Sainte Épine... -- El Caro ( talk) 20:22, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
In the section "Techniques" is the text "dated to the period beginning about 1480 and ending about 1410," ??? Aa77zz ( talk) 21:57, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Good to see this make the main page. Well done John Victuallers ( talk) 06:15, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
The exhibition at the British Museum "Treasures of Heaven: Saints, Relics, and Devotion in Medieval Europe" opens today (23 June) - see here. Aa77zz ( talk) 07:40, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
Has there been any attempt at analysis (radiocarbon, genetic, etc.) of the actual thorn inside the reliquary? Would be interesting to know if it's really from 1st century Palestine, or indeed if the one in there now is the one the reliquary was built for. -- Jfruh ( talk) 19:57, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
In the current text:
On the right is Saint Christopher, carrying the Christ child on his shoulders, who raises his hand in blessing.
Because "who raises" does not come immediately after "the Christ child", the most natural reading of this would have "carrying the Christ child on his shoulders" as an interpolation, so that it is Saint Christopher who raises his hand:
On the right is Saint Christopher [...] who raises his hand in blessing.
But inspection of the image in question shows the Christ child raising his hand. I tried to fix this; but my amendment was removed as part of this blanket reversion. I had made it this:
On the right is Saint Christopher, carrying on his shoulders the Christ child, who raises his hand in blessing.
This wording is hardly ambiguous, and not misleading like the present text. Perhaps it should be restored? Noetica Tea? 23:42, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
Nice article. Thanks for writing it. Just wanted to mention that I came here to read the article after seeing the object featured on a BBC4 documentary Treasures of Heaven, which also coincides nicely with the start of the British Museum exhibition (which was also mentioned). Carcharoth ( talk) 00:19, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Why did you delete my reference to this site? What I added is hardly superfluous to the history of the Crown of Thorns from which this one came. No, thanks, is hardly an explanation. Does one get proprietary possession of an article in this website? Daniel the Monk ( talk) 18:50, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
Also, "royal" does not apply to a duke, only to the king, so there is no issue of confusion with my phrasing. The phrase as you keep putting it is simply poor grammar. Perhaps slapdash is in the eye of the beholder. Daniel the Monk ( talk) 16:45, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
In the large image of the front it looks as though the thorn itself is shopped out of the image. The thorn is quite noticable in the detail of Christ but it appears to have been painted out in the large image. Am I seeing this correctly?-- Adam in MO Talk 18:56, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
The article currents gives the Latin description as:
The BM web site here gives the inscription as:
I know no Latin – but this image appears to have a very clear "domini" with a final "i". I don't understand the xp of the final xpisti. Aa77zz ( talk) 10:45, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
I think the following sentence from the Patron section could be improved by someone who understands what it is trying to say. "A reliquary that was donated to the church had a better chance of surviving than the similar secular works that are only recorded in inventories, where scenes of courtly pleasure were depicted with portrait figures of the princes and their friends." JonH ( talk) 12:44, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
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I should imagine you're watching this, Witty Lama. :) Two questions: (1) Could you ask the curator which is the best dead tree source, and (2) Are you allowed to grab your digicam and take a photo? I stupidly didn't take one and I don't really want to get back on the train to London if I can avoid it. I see Victuallers has found one. Cheers—
S Marshall
T/
C 21:11, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
Holy Thorn Reliquary should be a disambiguation page. There are other Holy Thorn Reliquaries, see fr:Reliquaire de la Sainte Épine... -- El Caro ( talk) 20:22, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
In the section "Techniques" is the text "dated to the period beginning about 1480 and ending about 1410," ??? Aa77zz ( talk) 21:57, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
Good to see this make the main page. Well done John Victuallers ( talk) 06:15, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
The exhibition at the British Museum "Treasures of Heaven: Saints, Relics, and Devotion in Medieval Europe" opens today (23 June) - see here. Aa77zz ( talk) 07:40, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
Has there been any attempt at analysis (radiocarbon, genetic, etc.) of the actual thorn inside the reliquary? Would be interesting to know if it's really from 1st century Palestine, or indeed if the one in there now is the one the reliquary was built for. -- Jfruh ( talk) 19:57, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
In the current text:
On the right is Saint Christopher, carrying the Christ child on his shoulders, who raises his hand in blessing.
Because "who raises" does not come immediately after "the Christ child", the most natural reading of this would have "carrying the Christ child on his shoulders" as an interpolation, so that it is Saint Christopher who raises his hand:
On the right is Saint Christopher [...] who raises his hand in blessing.
But inspection of the image in question shows the Christ child raising his hand. I tried to fix this; but my amendment was removed as part of this blanket reversion. I had made it this:
On the right is Saint Christopher, carrying on his shoulders the Christ child, who raises his hand in blessing.
This wording is hardly ambiguous, and not misleading like the present text. Perhaps it should be restored? Noetica Tea? 23:42, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
Nice article. Thanks for writing it. Just wanted to mention that I came here to read the article after seeing the object featured on a BBC4 documentary Treasures of Heaven, which also coincides nicely with the start of the British Museum exhibition (which was also mentioned). Carcharoth ( talk) 00:19, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Why did you delete my reference to this site? What I added is hardly superfluous to the history of the Crown of Thorns from which this one came. No, thanks, is hardly an explanation. Does one get proprietary possession of an article in this website? Daniel the Monk ( talk) 18:50, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
Also, "royal" does not apply to a duke, only to the king, so there is no issue of confusion with my phrasing. The phrase as you keep putting it is simply poor grammar. Perhaps slapdash is in the eye of the beholder. Daniel the Monk ( talk) 16:45, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
In the large image of the front it looks as though the thorn itself is shopped out of the image. The thorn is quite noticable in the detail of Christ but it appears to have been painted out in the large image. Am I seeing this correctly?-- Adam in MO Talk 18:56, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
The article currents gives the Latin description as:
The BM web site here gives the inscription as:
I know no Latin – but this image appears to have a very clear "domini" with a final "i". I don't understand the xp of the final xpisti. Aa77zz ( talk) 10:45, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
I think the following sentence from the Patron section could be improved by someone who understands what it is trying to say. "A reliquary that was donated to the church had a better chance of surviving than the similar secular works that are only recorded in inventories, where scenes of courtly pleasure were depicted with portrait figures of the princes and their friends." JonH ( talk) 12:44, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
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