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Hey! Somebody put an NPOV dispute boilerplate message at the top of this page, but -it seems- didn't care to put any explanation of hier/her concerns here on this talk page. So, please come forward and explain. ;-) IMHO, it is hard to avoid a slight sound of sarcasm when talkin about allegedly genuine Christian relics, but if you feel offended by this, it should be possible to rephrase without much change. Just do so. Otherwise, I shall remove the boilerplate message, if no objections come up here. Simon A. 11:25, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)
3 months later, and still no arguments for the NPOV marking. So, I'll remove it now. Simon A. 10:39, 8 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Header says it all, really. The thing that sticks out to me most is, how exactly are the mentions of fragments of the "actual" Holy Sponge being held in various Catholic basilicas a neutral point of view, or even possible to cite references for? I'm not an editor so I don't feel I have the tools to fix this, but can someone who is not a Christian and does not have an agenda to push do something about this? These are clearly false claims being made on an encyclopedic article. Facts are a necessity here, and I'm pretty sure it's the exact opposite of a fact that the "actual" Holy Sponge is still extant, as this article asserts. 71.84.100.193 ( talk) 08:04, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
"It was dipped in vinegar (or in some translations sour wine), most likely posca, a favorite beverage of Roman soldiers,"
In Germany at Keyenberg there is a scripture in the church "Holy Cross" telling that a part of the Holy Sponge is deposed in the altar. The scripture was created in the 11th century by archbishop Hermann II of Cologne. In 2019 the church was sold to a mine company (RWE) to be distroyed für coal mining. This church got also stained glasses with jewish symbols. These glasses were the only ones in Germany during the Nazi period showing jewish symbols. These glasses will be eliminated out off the public while a war memorial also reminding a SS-Rottenfüher will be replaced in the new Keyenberg. <Gobel van Yffe> — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:6:336F:FC25:EDBB:96B0:6230:27AC ( talk) 17:25, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
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Hey! Somebody put an NPOV dispute boilerplate message at the top of this page, but -it seems- didn't care to put any explanation of hier/her concerns here on this talk page. So, please come forward and explain. ;-) IMHO, it is hard to avoid a slight sound of sarcasm when talkin about allegedly genuine Christian relics, but if you feel offended by this, it should be possible to rephrase without much change. Just do so. Otherwise, I shall remove the boilerplate message, if no objections come up here. Simon A. 11:25, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)
3 months later, and still no arguments for the NPOV marking. So, I'll remove it now. Simon A. 10:39, 8 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Header says it all, really. The thing that sticks out to me most is, how exactly are the mentions of fragments of the "actual" Holy Sponge being held in various Catholic basilicas a neutral point of view, or even possible to cite references for? I'm not an editor so I don't feel I have the tools to fix this, but can someone who is not a Christian and does not have an agenda to push do something about this? These are clearly false claims being made on an encyclopedic article. Facts are a necessity here, and I'm pretty sure it's the exact opposite of a fact that the "actual" Holy Sponge is still extant, as this article asserts. 71.84.100.193 ( talk) 08:04, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
"It was dipped in vinegar (or in some translations sour wine), most likely posca, a favorite beverage of Roman soldiers,"
In Germany at Keyenberg there is a scripture in the church "Holy Cross" telling that a part of the Holy Sponge is deposed in the altar. The scripture was created in the 11th century by archbishop Hermann II of Cologne. In 2019 the church was sold to a mine company (RWE) to be distroyed für coal mining. This church got also stained glasses with jewish symbols. These glasses were the only ones in Germany during the Nazi period showing jewish symbols. These glasses will be eliminated out off the public while a war memorial also reminding a SS-Rottenfüher will be replaced in the new Keyenberg. <Gobel van Yffe> — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:6:336F:FC25:EDBB:96B0:6230:27AC ( talk) 17:25, 3 January 2021 (UTC)