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There is a wrong link here for Luccombe referring to a village on the Isle of Wight. 194.246.46.15 07:03, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Seems unlikely that the servicemen in question in the last section of this article were "African Americans," which I assume is used incorrectly here as a blanket term for people of black African descent. Admittedly, I know absolutely nothing about this subject, but what were the children of a bunch of African American servicemen doing in Exmoor? A citation would help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.208.120.38 ( talk) 23:45, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Would anyone object if I tidy up the references on this article, perhaps using Template:Cite web, Template:Cite book, Template:Sfn etc as it seems to be a mix of citation styles at present?— Rod talk 21:53, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
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Thanks for all your comments (and edits). I don't think I'm going to be able to finish them tonight and have to work all day tomorrow , but I will return to the comments which I haven't yet addressed within the next couple of days.— Rod talk 19:31, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
I am rather confused about who owned this manor according to the Domesday book. It is well documented that Ralph de Limesi was granted Selworthy by the King who confiscated it from Queen Edith. The Conservation Appraisal by John Fisher (currently refs 1 and 2) states "The manor at Holnicote, also within the parish, was awarded to Ralph de Limesi by William the Conqueror ... The Luccombe family are recorded as holding both manors on behalf of the de Limesi dynasty. From 1301, by the authority of Edward I, the manors were transferred to Henry de Pynkeny with the Luccombes still in possession. In 1333 Elizabeth Luccombe married into the St. John family who then acquired manorial rights. There was a further change of ownership by marriage to the Arundell family of Trerice in Cornwall. ... The Arundells are known to have built the north aisle of the parish Church in the 17th century. Another noteworthy local family, also for some time owners of the Manor, although no record could be found of their period of tenure, was the Steynings, who probably built the south aisle, in the early 16th century, since there is a date of 1538 high up in the west-end. On the wall, there are good 16th and 17th century brasses to various members of this family. The Acland family became linked by an Arundell marriage to the Holnicote estate from 1745, and the estate eventually transferred entirely to the Aclands in 1802." (pp. 4-5) While this seems straight-forward, I have found reference to Holnicote at OpenDomesday, where it states that two nuns owned 2.5 virgates ( [3]) and there is no mention of de Limesi. Also, unless it is indirect, I believe (as the article shows) that the Aclands married into the Dyke family, not the Arundells, in 1745. It all seems rather conflicting to me. Does anyone know of a decent source that could help here? — Noswall59 ( talk) 18:26, 21 May 2015 (UTC).
It is well established that Anglo-Saxon name endings -cott have a first element which is usually the name of the first holder, in this case a man named Hone or similar, thus meaning Hone's Cottage. See e.g. Padel, O.J., Place-Names, published in Kain, Roger & Ravenhill, William, (eds.) Historical Atlas of South-West England, Exeter, 1999, pp.88-94. Holly Cottage is possible, but would be an unusual usage. Is the source quoted a specialist on Anglo-Saxon names (like Padel) or was he just guessing?( Lobsterthermidor ( talk) 16:17, 25 May 2015 (UTC))
A citation needed tag has been added in the middle of the sentence " The record also shows than one Odo, son of Gamelin, held a detached portion of land here." but I can't quite understand why. This source (Text of the Somerset Domesday pages 479-526 section XXXIIII. THE LAND OF ODO SON OF GAMELIN) (currently ref 3) says "Odo son of Gamelin holds of the king Locumbe [Luccombe] and Vital (holds it) of him." Therefore what is being asked for with this citation needed tag?— Rod talk 19:31, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
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The text mentions a mausoleum of Sir Thomas Dyke Acland 400 m from Selworthy Beacon. This probably refers to the "Wind and Weather Hut" [1] which is to my knowledge a Memorial and not a Mausoleum. Or does it actually enclose the interment space or burial space of Sir Thomas Dyke Acland? PhiRho~dewiki ( talk) 17:38, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
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There is a wrong link here for Luccombe referring to a village on the Isle of Wight. 194.246.46.15 07:03, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
Seems unlikely that the servicemen in question in the last section of this article were "African Americans," which I assume is used incorrectly here as a blanket term for people of black African descent. Admittedly, I know absolutely nothing about this subject, but what were the children of a bunch of African American servicemen doing in Exmoor? A citation would help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.208.120.38 ( talk) 23:45, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Would anyone object if I tidy up the references on this article, perhaps using Template:Cite web, Template:Cite book, Template:Sfn etc as it seems to be a mix of citation styles at present?— Rod talk 21:53, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
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Thanks for all your comments (and edits). I don't think I'm going to be able to finish them tonight and have to work all day tomorrow , but I will return to the comments which I haven't yet addressed within the next couple of days.— Rod talk 19:31, 22 May 2015 (UTC)
I am rather confused about who owned this manor according to the Domesday book. It is well documented that Ralph de Limesi was granted Selworthy by the King who confiscated it from Queen Edith. The Conservation Appraisal by John Fisher (currently refs 1 and 2) states "The manor at Holnicote, also within the parish, was awarded to Ralph de Limesi by William the Conqueror ... The Luccombe family are recorded as holding both manors on behalf of the de Limesi dynasty. From 1301, by the authority of Edward I, the manors were transferred to Henry de Pynkeny with the Luccombes still in possession. In 1333 Elizabeth Luccombe married into the St. John family who then acquired manorial rights. There was a further change of ownership by marriage to the Arundell family of Trerice in Cornwall. ... The Arundells are known to have built the north aisle of the parish Church in the 17th century. Another noteworthy local family, also for some time owners of the Manor, although no record could be found of their period of tenure, was the Steynings, who probably built the south aisle, in the early 16th century, since there is a date of 1538 high up in the west-end. On the wall, there are good 16th and 17th century brasses to various members of this family. The Acland family became linked by an Arundell marriage to the Holnicote estate from 1745, and the estate eventually transferred entirely to the Aclands in 1802." (pp. 4-5) While this seems straight-forward, I have found reference to Holnicote at OpenDomesday, where it states that two nuns owned 2.5 virgates ( [3]) and there is no mention of de Limesi. Also, unless it is indirect, I believe (as the article shows) that the Aclands married into the Dyke family, not the Arundells, in 1745. It all seems rather conflicting to me. Does anyone know of a decent source that could help here? — Noswall59 ( talk) 18:26, 21 May 2015 (UTC).
It is well established that Anglo-Saxon name endings -cott have a first element which is usually the name of the first holder, in this case a man named Hone or similar, thus meaning Hone's Cottage. See e.g. Padel, O.J., Place-Names, published in Kain, Roger & Ravenhill, William, (eds.) Historical Atlas of South-West England, Exeter, 1999, pp.88-94. Holly Cottage is possible, but would be an unusual usage. Is the source quoted a specialist on Anglo-Saxon names (like Padel) or was he just guessing?( Lobsterthermidor ( talk) 16:17, 25 May 2015 (UTC))
A citation needed tag has been added in the middle of the sentence " The record also shows than one Odo, son of Gamelin, held a detached portion of land here." but I can't quite understand why. This source (Text of the Somerset Domesday pages 479-526 section XXXIIII. THE LAND OF ODO SON OF GAMELIN) (currently ref 3) says "Odo son of Gamelin holds of the king Locumbe [Luccombe] and Vital (holds it) of him." Therefore what is being asked for with this citation needed tag?— Rod talk 19:31, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
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The text mentions a mausoleum of Sir Thomas Dyke Acland 400 m from Selworthy Beacon. This probably refers to the "Wind and Weather Hut" [1] which is to my knowledge a Memorial and not a Mausoleum. Or does it actually enclose the interment space or burial space of Sir Thomas Dyke Acland? PhiRho~dewiki ( talk) 17:38, 30 December 2021 (UTC)