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Passages excised

I copyedited this article and removed some passages that I couldn't make sense of. One was clearly referenced to Grine's study, but the study is inaccessible to me and most other people, so I can't tell exactly what it's saying:

"3D coordinates landmarks UPGMA tree based on Mahalanobis D link it [the skull] directly Cro-magnon samples. [1] The rest of other human worldwide populations is out-branch in this tree except to Qafzeh and Neanderthal specimens."

Another is a remark after the sentence about the skull being distinct from Sub-Saharan Africans and the Khoisan: "(carrying the oldest markers on hap DNA)". Whether that refers to the skull or the Khoisan, I'm not sure.

A third, unreferenced portion, which could be consistent with the referenced statements about how the skull gained modern attention, said,

"Grine says that he first noticed the skull on a bookshelf in a colleague's office in Cape Town, South Africa, and was inspired to re-examine the skull after noticing its likeness to the skulls of the first modern humans found in Europe."

And finally there is this strange bit, which sound suspiciously like speculation on the part of an editor, says:

"If the dating of 36,200 years is correct, Hofmeyr man walked long way since at Dunabian gates most similar early modern humans walked around 35,000 14C years ago."

Possibly all of these could fit in the article if someone could examine the sources to determine what exactly they mean, so I'm leaving them here in case someone does. A. Parrot ( talk) 22:09, 13 March 2011 (UTC) reply

Good work, Parrot. To be honest, that text reads as if it were translated from another language. Grine, however, is an American with bona fide, so it may be worth checking on other sources. Googling "Hofmeyr skull" yields lots of sources, so it should be available.
I do have misgivings about the "found on the bookshelf" story, as well as the "oh we couldn't analyze the fossil itself, so we sampled the dirt that was in it".

Kortoso ( talk) 22:48, 10 October 2013 (UTC) reply

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Passages excised

I copyedited this article and removed some passages that I couldn't make sense of. One was clearly referenced to Grine's study, but the study is inaccessible to me and most other people, so I can't tell exactly what it's saying:

"3D coordinates landmarks UPGMA tree based on Mahalanobis D link it [the skull] directly Cro-magnon samples. [1] The rest of other human worldwide populations is out-branch in this tree except to Qafzeh and Neanderthal specimens."

Another is a remark after the sentence about the skull being distinct from Sub-Saharan Africans and the Khoisan: "(carrying the oldest markers on hap DNA)". Whether that refers to the skull or the Khoisan, I'm not sure.

A third, unreferenced portion, which could be consistent with the referenced statements about how the skull gained modern attention, said,

"Grine says that he first noticed the skull on a bookshelf in a colleague's office in Cape Town, South Africa, and was inspired to re-examine the skull after noticing its likeness to the skulls of the first modern humans found in Europe."

And finally there is this strange bit, which sound suspiciously like speculation on the part of an editor, says:

"If the dating of 36,200 years is correct, Hofmeyr man walked long way since at Dunabian gates most similar early modern humans walked around 35,000 14C years ago."

Possibly all of these could fit in the article if someone could examine the sources to determine what exactly they mean, so I'm leaving them here in case someone does. A. Parrot ( talk) 22:09, 13 March 2011 (UTC) reply

Good work, Parrot. To be honest, that text reads as if it were translated from another language. Grine, however, is an American with bona fide, so it may be worth checking on other sources. Googling "Hofmeyr skull" yields lots of sources, so it should be available.
I do have misgivings about the "found on the bookshelf" story, as well as the "oh we couldn't analyze the fossil itself, so we sampled the dirt that was in it".

Kortoso ( talk) 22:48, 10 October 2013 (UTC) reply

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