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I'm a bit confused by this article's assertion that "Ho Tektōn is an Ancient Greek word of Semitic origin." First, ho tekton isn't a word, it's a phrase consisting of a definite article and a noun. Second, the noun tekton is derived from the abstract noun techne ("skill, craft"), which has a straightforward Indo-european etymology from the root *teḱþ- (see wikt:τέχνη). The references provided here don't seem to support the notion of a Semitic origin.
A more important matter: why should this phrase be the subject of a Wikipedia article? I get that it's used as a description of a notable person, but I don't think we should have articles about every Greek noun/adjective used to describe Jesus (or, for that matter, Socrates, Alexander, or Caesar). --Akhilleus ( talk) 03:46, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
Now, as for why this phrase should be the subject of a Wikipedia article. Firstly, there are approximately 2.2 billion Christians living today, most of whom think that Jesus was highly notable as a " carpenter", having got the wrong impression from a bad translation somewhere along the line. I thought that we should try and explain modern scholarship, and what was originally written in the text for them, in order to help correct a harmful misconception that has been going around for a couple of millenium now.
I would suggest most people who know Socrates, Alexander and Caesar would also know what their occupation was, as that has been recorded accurately, fairly and without bias. I hope you'll therefore understand the rational behind creating this page as the revision of this concept has now become notable in three good sources. Even if one is slightly incorrect about the Semitic origins. You are welcome to change all that part at your leisure to correctly reflect your obvious expertise on the subject. Paul Bedson ❉ talk❉ 10:50, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved, since there's no objection. --Akhilleus ( talk) 04:37, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
Ho Tektōn →
Tektōn – Page name does not need
the relative pronoun "ho" when defining the
noun Tektōn (τέκτων) itself.
History2007 (
talk)
12:57, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
Is Laurence Gardner and his alternative history not WP:Fringe? Gardner was a stockbroker - they are generally not known as historians but hopeful futurists. A. N. Wilson is also no scholar and wrote for the Observer, Evening Standard, etc. So why have them if they are not mainstream? Vermes is a scholar, and does not have fringe ideas. The other two do. And Dawkins is no linguist he just quotes people. History2007 ( talk) 17:15, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
I tweaked the opening by adding "craftsman" and links to read " artisan/ craftsman". - Benjamin Franklin 75.74.180.52 ( talk) 17:27, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
A new book by Adam Bradford is in the news cycle, a sequel to his 2010 book in which he described Jesus as a contractor/architect instead of a furniture-maker. This, no doubt, will drive people to google tekton again, and bring in the usual flood of edits. Just thought I'd give a heads-up. -- 97.119.172.47 ( talk) 23:59, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
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I'm a bit confused by this article's assertion that "Ho Tektōn is an Ancient Greek word of Semitic origin." First, ho tekton isn't a word, it's a phrase consisting of a definite article and a noun. Second, the noun tekton is derived from the abstract noun techne ("skill, craft"), which has a straightforward Indo-european etymology from the root *teḱþ- (see wikt:τέχνη). The references provided here don't seem to support the notion of a Semitic origin.
A more important matter: why should this phrase be the subject of a Wikipedia article? I get that it's used as a description of a notable person, but I don't think we should have articles about every Greek noun/adjective used to describe Jesus (or, for that matter, Socrates, Alexander, or Caesar). --Akhilleus ( talk) 03:46, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
Now, as for why this phrase should be the subject of a Wikipedia article. Firstly, there are approximately 2.2 billion Christians living today, most of whom think that Jesus was highly notable as a " carpenter", having got the wrong impression from a bad translation somewhere along the line. I thought that we should try and explain modern scholarship, and what was originally written in the text for them, in order to help correct a harmful misconception that has been going around for a couple of millenium now.
I would suggest most people who know Socrates, Alexander and Caesar would also know what their occupation was, as that has been recorded accurately, fairly and without bias. I hope you'll therefore understand the rational behind creating this page as the revision of this concept has now become notable in three good sources. Even if one is slightly incorrect about the Semitic origins. You are welcome to change all that part at your leisure to correctly reflect your obvious expertise on the subject. Paul Bedson ❉ talk❉ 10:50, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved, since there's no objection. --Akhilleus ( talk) 04:37, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
Ho Tektōn →
Tektōn – Page name does not need
the relative pronoun "ho" when defining the
noun Tektōn (τέκτων) itself.
History2007 (
talk)
12:57, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
Is Laurence Gardner and his alternative history not WP:Fringe? Gardner was a stockbroker - they are generally not known as historians but hopeful futurists. A. N. Wilson is also no scholar and wrote for the Observer, Evening Standard, etc. So why have them if they are not mainstream? Vermes is a scholar, and does not have fringe ideas. The other two do. And Dawkins is no linguist he just quotes people. History2007 ( talk) 17:15, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
I tweaked the opening by adding "craftsman" and links to read " artisan/ craftsman". - Benjamin Franklin 75.74.180.52 ( talk) 17:27, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
A new book by Adam Bradford is in the news cycle, a sequel to his 2010 book in which he described Jesus as a contractor/architect instead of a furniture-maker. This, no doubt, will drive people to google tekton again, and bring in the usual flood of edits. Just thought I'd give a heads-up. -- 97.119.172.47 ( talk) 23:59, 14 April 2014 (UTC)