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I suspect it was less "the changing nature of the Soviet bomber threat" than pressure from USG that led Canada to cancel Arrow in favor of Bomarc. And if I was the suspicious type, I'd suspect Arrow's perf was a threat to U-2...& CIA, always suspicious of Canada, believed there were Sov spies in the program... Trekphiler 01:59, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
Can somebody check the dating of the maple leaf roundel? As I recall, it was intro in the '20s (with the creation of RCAF 1924?) but hasn't always been current. And can we cred W/Cdr Wilfrid Oulton, 58 Sqn, RCAF Coastal Command? During May '43, he sank U-463, U-563, & U-663. Trekphiler 05:56, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
I'm not sure how this should be changed, but the section at the side of the page with the list of aircraft is for the contemporary Air Command rather than the RCAF. One possible option would be to change it to reflect a list of significant aircraft through the history of the RCAF -- alternatively, it should be removed. -- 209.202.70.226 17:45, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
I also think the Air Command Ensign should be removed and replaced with an image of the former RCAF Ensign, as this article is about the RCAF. Air Command is a later and completely separate entity.-- MarshallStack 04:47, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
A thought -- would it be a good idea to create 'stubs' for the 400 series RCAF Squadrons (400 - 449, originally, plus I think 450 squadron existed right at the end of the RCAF era), linked from here (and where relevant, from the CAF Air Command page)? With them in place, information about the history of individual squadrons could be added/linked by those interested in the subject, as well as relevant links from other articles here. I think there are already two or three of these. Just an idea.-- 64.201.38.62 14:46, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
What about the non-400 series squadrons in the home-based WWII RCAF as well (an example of which today is Canadian Forces Air Command 103 Rescue Squadron)? These are often overlooked, even though they did sterling work for Canada with their Hurricanes, Kittyhawks, Cansos, Lysanders etc.-- MarshallStack 23:53, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
About the section on WWI and RCAF formation . . . Why is no mention made of Raymond Collishaw and the Black Flight? (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Collishaw and http://www.theaerodrome.com/aces/canada/collishaw.html .) Excepting only Billy Bishop, "Collie" Collishaw is the greatest airman Canada ever produced.
Last, when did the Canadian Armed Forces adopt that most beautiful of all flight suit colors known as Canadian Air Superiority Blue?
Didn't RCAF participate in the ferry service? Trekphiler 10:00, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Why was the low vis roundel removed from the article? The RCAF - Roundels page seems to show one on there... And so does the markings section of the 2005 edition of Jane's Aircraft Recognition Guide. J.P.Lon 14:48, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
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To Whom is reading this post:
I am looking for a man named WILFRED SMITH. He was Sworn in to the Canadian Armed services in November or December of 1968. His father was an Anglican Minister and he spent some of his childhood in P.E.I. His basic training in the Armed forces was in Cornwallis, Nova Scotia. From there he was posted in Cold Lake Alberta, where he also trained as a cook. He was discharged from the services in May 1970.
Last Known where abouts was a phone call from him from Halifax Nova Scotia 1971.
If anyone knows Wifred Smith or how to get in touch with him..please contact my dad William Trimble who served with Wilfred Smith in Cornwallis, N.S by emailing him at scamp1949@hotmail.com.
Thank you
Tamara Trimble —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.224.217.85 ( talk) 23:45, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
The Wikipedia article for Grey Cup Champions mentions the "Toronto RCAF Hurricanes" as the winners or the 1942 Grey Cup. Does anyone have information about them? Monado ( talk) 02:49, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
I think an image of the RCAF tartan would complete the Symbols and insignia section. Anyone know where to get one we could use?- BC ( talk) 20:25, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
According to insignia expert Bill Burns in London Ont. ( http://www.canmilair.com), all incarnations of the current 11-point-leaf roundel , including those used in the transition period 1965-67, are known as the CAF roundel to distinguish it from the "RCAF roundel" which has a different leaf pattern (the silver maple leaf). The current CAF roundel (with the 11-pointed leaf) was standardized in May 1967 because after 1965, there were so many versions of it. This standard (current) design (purists refer to it as the "CAF revision E" roundel) has changes made to various internal spacing and has a comparatively wider blue circle and larger leaf than the 1965-67 version used in the transition era, and is certainly a different design from the silver maple roundel (the true "RCAF" roundel). There are also subtle color differences. BTW, the RCAF roundel is copyrighted by the Air Force Association of Canada. The following links have more information: http://www.canmilair.com/prints.htm and http://www.canmilair.com/products.asp?cat=77. - BC ( talk) 23:25, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
A list of RCAF aircraft has been started here. Since the RCAF article is getting long and since there already is a list of Canadian Air Force aircraft (that could be reorganized to separate out the aircraft used by each incarnation of Canada's air force), I feel that this new list included here is redundant. Also, if a list of aircraft is included here, we may as well include a list of stations and squadrons - all of which also already exist. All these lists are linked to in this article, so there is no reason to relist them here. I vote we should not include the aircraft list. Opinions? BC talk to me 00:34, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
The tartan section explaining its origins was recently changed to an uncited "verified correct version". This was lifted verbatim (copyvio) from a government web site that would seem to be reputable. The government web site the lifted content was from is by no means reliable as a source; I have seen errors, and indeed some information on the government site has been lifted from Wikipedia (e.g. CFB Edmonton). This story has been around for years and cannot necessarily be considered to be "verified" (how would you do this unless you do some OR). Is it true that G/C Fullerton, colored pencils in hand, drew the prototype and that Loomcrofters in Gagetown completed it? It's a nice story, but unless this is truly verified we have to go with the "most reliable" information on hand. The best I can find right now is from an authority on tartans, which is the http://www.tartansauthority.com/tartan-ferret/display/1343/royal-canadian-air-force-military. This site essentially repudiates the popular story of who the designer was. Loomcrofters may have put together some prototype samples which led to the story that it was designed by them, but the Tartan Authorities web site is clear that it was actually designed by Kinloch Anderson in Scotland. The story here is much more credible to me. BC talk to me 16:42, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
Does the RCAF really use the RAF rank names? I have a National Defence Canadian Forces Rank Insignia pamphlet that lists the Air Forces ranks as (from lowest to most senior): Private, Corporal, Master Corporal, Sergreant, Warrant Officer, Master Warrant Officer, Chieft Warrant Officer, Officer Cadet, 2nd-Lieutenant, Lieutenant, Captain, Major, Lieutenant-Colonel, Colonel, Brigadier-General, Major-General, Lieutenant-General, General. IE, exactly the same as the army. 70.49.247.2 ( talk) 03:34, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, I've realized my mistake. I thought that the current air force was the same as the RCAF. This section can be removed.
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I suspect it was less "the changing nature of the Soviet bomber threat" than pressure from USG that led Canada to cancel Arrow in favor of Bomarc. And if I was the suspicious type, I'd suspect Arrow's perf was a threat to U-2...& CIA, always suspicious of Canada, believed there were Sov spies in the program... Trekphiler 01:59, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
Can somebody check the dating of the maple leaf roundel? As I recall, it was intro in the '20s (with the creation of RCAF 1924?) but hasn't always been current. And can we cred W/Cdr Wilfrid Oulton, 58 Sqn, RCAF Coastal Command? During May '43, he sank U-463, U-563, & U-663. Trekphiler 05:56, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
I'm not sure how this should be changed, but the section at the side of the page with the list of aircraft is for the contemporary Air Command rather than the RCAF. One possible option would be to change it to reflect a list of significant aircraft through the history of the RCAF -- alternatively, it should be removed. -- 209.202.70.226 17:45, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
I also think the Air Command Ensign should be removed and replaced with an image of the former RCAF Ensign, as this article is about the RCAF. Air Command is a later and completely separate entity.-- MarshallStack 04:47, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
A thought -- would it be a good idea to create 'stubs' for the 400 series RCAF Squadrons (400 - 449, originally, plus I think 450 squadron existed right at the end of the RCAF era), linked from here (and where relevant, from the CAF Air Command page)? With them in place, information about the history of individual squadrons could be added/linked by those interested in the subject, as well as relevant links from other articles here. I think there are already two or three of these. Just an idea.-- 64.201.38.62 14:46, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
What about the non-400 series squadrons in the home-based WWII RCAF as well (an example of which today is Canadian Forces Air Command 103 Rescue Squadron)? These are often overlooked, even though they did sterling work for Canada with their Hurricanes, Kittyhawks, Cansos, Lysanders etc.-- MarshallStack 23:53, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
About the section on WWI and RCAF formation . . . Why is no mention made of Raymond Collishaw and the Black Flight? (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Collishaw and http://www.theaerodrome.com/aces/canada/collishaw.html .) Excepting only Billy Bishop, "Collie" Collishaw is the greatest airman Canada ever produced.
Last, when did the Canadian Armed Forces adopt that most beautiful of all flight suit colors known as Canadian Air Superiority Blue?
Didn't RCAF participate in the ferry service? Trekphiler 10:00, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Why was the low vis roundel removed from the article? The RCAF - Roundels page seems to show one on there... And so does the markings section of the 2005 edition of Jane's Aircraft Recognition Guide. J.P.Lon 14:48, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I've prepared some userboxes for different Air Forces freaks - if you would like to use it, feel free to copy & paste following code in your Babel Tower or another place:
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To Whom is reading this post:
I am looking for a man named WILFRED SMITH. He was Sworn in to the Canadian Armed services in November or December of 1968. His father was an Anglican Minister and he spent some of his childhood in P.E.I. His basic training in the Armed forces was in Cornwallis, Nova Scotia. From there he was posted in Cold Lake Alberta, where he also trained as a cook. He was discharged from the services in May 1970.
Last Known where abouts was a phone call from him from Halifax Nova Scotia 1971.
If anyone knows Wifred Smith or how to get in touch with him..please contact my dad William Trimble who served with Wilfred Smith in Cornwallis, N.S by emailing him at scamp1949@hotmail.com.
Thank you
Tamara Trimble —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.224.217.85 ( talk) 23:45, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
The Wikipedia article for Grey Cup Champions mentions the "Toronto RCAF Hurricanes" as the winners or the 1942 Grey Cup. Does anyone have information about them? Monado ( talk) 02:49, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
I think an image of the RCAF tartan would complete the Symbols and insignia section. Anyone know where to get one we could use?- BC ( talk) 20:25, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
According to insignia expert Bill Burns in London Ont. ( http://www.canmilair.com), all incarnations of the current 11-point-leaf roundel , including those used in the transition period 1965-67, are known as the CAF roundel to distinguish it from the "RCAF roundel" which has a different leaf pattern (the silver maple leaf). The current CAF roundel (with the 11-pointed leaf) was standardized in May 1967 because after 1965, there were so many versions of it. This standard (current) design (purists refer to it as the "CAF revision E" roundel) has changes made to various internal spacing and has a comparatively wider blue circle and larger leaf than the 1965-67 version used in the transition era, and is certainly a different design from the silver maple roundel (the true "RCAF" roundel). There are also subtle color differences. BTW, the RCAF roundel is copyrighted by the Air Force Association of Canada. The following links have more information: http://www.canmilair.com/prints.htm and http://www.canmilair.com/products.asp?cat=77. - BC ( talk) 23:25, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
A list of RCAF aircraft has been started here. Since the RCAF article is getting long and since there already is a list of Canadian Air Force aircraft (that could be reorganized to separate out the aircraft used by each incarnation of Canada's air force), I feel that this new list included here is redundant. Also, if a list of aircraft is included here, we may as well include a list of stations and squadrons - all of which also already exist. All these lists are linked to in this article, so there is no reason to relist them here. I vote we should not include the aircraft list. Opinions? BC talk to me 00:34, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
The tartan section explaining its origins was recently changed to an uncited "verified correct version". This was lifted verbatim (copyvio) from a government web site that would seem to be reputable. The government web site the lifted content was from is by no means reliable as a source; I have seen errors, and indeed some information on the government site has been lifted from Wikipedia (e.g. CFB Edmonton). This story has been around for years and cannot necessarily be considered to be "verified" (how would you do this unless you do some OR). Is it true that G/C Fullerton, colored pencils in hand, drew the prototype and that Loomcrofters in Gagetown completed it? It's a nice story, but unless this is truly verified we have to go with the "most reliable" information on hand. The best I can find right now is from an authority on tartans, which is the http://www.tartansauthority.com/tartan-ferret/display/1343/royal-canadian-air-force-military. This site essentially repudiates the popular story of who the designer was. Loomcrofters may have put together some prototype samples which led to the story that it was designed by them, but the Tartan Authorities web site is clear that it was actually designed by Kinloch Anderson in Scotland. The story here is much more credible to me. BC talk to me 16:42, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
Does the RCAF really use the RAF rank names? I have a National Defence Canadian Forces Rank Insignia pamphlet that lists the Air Forces ranks as (from lowest to most senior): Private, Corporal, Master Corporal, Sergreant, Warrant Officer, Master Warrant Officer, Chieft Warrant Officer, Officer Cadet, 2nd-Lieutenant, Lieutenant, Captain, Major, Lieutenant-Colonel, Colonel, Brigadier-General, Major-General, Lieutenant-General, General. IE, exactly the same as the army. 70.49.247.2 ( talk) 03:34, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, I've realized my mistake. I thought that the current air force was the same as the RCAF. This section can be removed.
70.49.247.2 (
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On 15 Aug 2011 news agencies published the return of the Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF) along with the Royal Canadian Navy (RCN) and Canadian Army. According to a Globe and Mail editorial the official announcement is on 16 Aug 2011. The change is purely symbolic and the Canadian Forces will remain integrated with the component parts returning to their original names. This brings Canada's military structure into line with the other Commonwealth Realms as well as providing a link to the past. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.236.229.36 ( talk) 00:13, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
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