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I think, logically, the details of the oath belong in the Laudianism article (to which I've just linked the phrase). I would like to see the oath discussed there, and the Puritan reaction here. After all, its impact was not just on them. Charles Matthews ( talk) 08:19, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
A major section is based on (basically) a single article about a single person (John Eliot). Is such a section properly sourced for this article, and is the section sufficiently germane for this article? Collect ( talk) 22:46, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Nope. It refers to any edits made using such a rationale. WRT "pilgrims" see [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] and so on ... [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] and a few thousand more if you need tham. Lesson? Pilgrims = Separatists who left England in 1608. Puritans = Church of England reformer opposed to Laud. Clear now? Collect ( talk) 13:20, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
The facts are clear -- the Pilgrims left England in 1608, long before Laud or his ilk were around. As to searching on googlebooks, note the other links NOT from books as well. And I read every single link, thank you most kindly. The Pilgrims are in this article only because Plymouth Colony was merged with MBC, not because the Pilgrims were Puritans (Myles Standish, in fact, may have been raised a Catholic). The issue is the weight you wish to give ONE person as an exemplar for all Puritans. I fear that Eliot was not such an exemplar at all, and that giving huge weight to his acts is like blaming all Puritans for the seventeenth century European preoccupation with witches.
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Since Calvinism is an important part of Puritanism this synod where TULIP was formalized could be added. According to the WP Synod of Dort the following Englishmen attended:George Carleton (1559–1628), Joseph Hall (1574–1657), Thomas Goad (1576–1638), John Davenant (1576–1641), Walter Balcanqual (1586–1645), Samuel Ward (1572-1643). And finally the section deleted from Puritan/Demonology Puritans took a non-literal view of the Harrowing of Hell, in the "Descensus controversy" of the late 16th century and early 17th century. The orthodox view of the Church of England was represented by Thomas Bilson, interpreting the Apostle's Creed literally on this point; he was supported by Richard Parkes in this matter, in controversy with Andrew Willet and his Limbomastix, who took the non-literal line going back to Calvin, but also adopted by Catholic controversialists. This issue then came up at the Synod of Dort, where it was the unique instance of a point of doctrine at that time distinguishing Anglican beliefs from the generality of Reformed orthodoxy. [1] could be used here. I hope this is of some use. Nitpyck ( talk) 22:23, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
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The article is now very long, and splitting seems a reasonable idea. The most natural way would be by monarch (Elizabeth, James, Charles, post-1649) to give four articles, each of which would amount to more than 32K. There might be more to do after that, but how would that be as a start? Charles Matthews ( talk) 07:55, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
Puritan settlement in Virginia Colony (1618) One small group of Puritans had already settled in Warrascoyack County in the Virginia Colony, beginning in 1618 with Christopher Lawne who established a plantation at Lawne's Creek. He died the following year, but several other prominent Puritan merchants soon emigrated there, including the Bennett family of Somerset. Under the leadership of Richard Bennett, the community moved from Warrascoyack to neighboring Nansemond beginning in 1635, then sought temporary refuge in Maryland in 1648. They returned to Virginia when the "Roundheads" appointed Bennett as governor there in 1652; later, in 1672, all of them, including Bennett, converted to the Quaker faith upon meeting its founder, George Fox.
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The image Image:DrAmes.jpg is used in this article under a claim of fair use, but it does not have an adequate explanation for why it meets the requirements for such images when used here. In particular, for each page the image is used on, it must have an explanation linking to that page which explains why it needs to be used on that page. Please check
This is an automated notice by FairuseBot. For assistance on the image use policy, see Wikipedia:Media copyright questions. -- 05:14, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
I think, logically, the details of the oath belong in the Laudianism article (to which I've just linked the phrase). I would like to see the oath discussed there, and the Puritan reaction here. After all, its impact was not just on them. Charles Matthews ( talk) 08:19, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
A major section is based on (basically) a single article about a single person (John Eliot). Is such a section properly sourced for this article, and is the section sufficiently germane for this article? Collect ( talk) 22:46, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Nope. It refers to any edits made using such a rationale. WRT "pilgrims" see [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] and so on ... [9] [10] [11] [12] [13] and a few thousand more if you need tham. Lesson? Pilgrims = Separatists who left England in 1608. Puritans = Church of England reformer opposed to Laud. Clear now? Collect ( talk) 13:20, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
The facts are clear -- the Pilgrims left England in 1608, long before Laud or his ilk were around. As to searching on googlebooks, note the other links NOT from books as well. And I read every single link, thank you most kindly. The Pilgrims are in this article only because Plymouth Colony was merged with MBC, not because the Pilgrims were Puritans (Myles Standish, in fact, may have been raised a Catholic). The issue is the weight you wish to give ONE person as an exemplar for all Puritans. I fear that Eliot was not such an exemplar at all, and that giving huge weight to his acts is like blaming all Puritans for the seventeenth century European preoccupation with witches.
Collect (
talk)
13:48, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
Since Calvinism is an important part of Puritanism this synod where TULIP was formalized could be added. According to the WP Synod of Dort the following Englishmen attended:George Carleton (1559–1628), Joseph Hall (1574–1657), Thomas Goad (1576–1638), John Davenant (1576–1641), Walter Balcanqual (1586–1645), Samuel Ward (1572-1643). And finally the section deleted from Puritan/Demonology Puritans took a non-literal view of the Harrowing of Hell, in the "Descensus controversy" of the late 16th century and early 17th century. The orthodox view of the Church of England was represented by Thomas Bilson, interpreting the Apostle's Creed literally on this point; he was supported by Richard Parkes in this matter, in controversy with Andrew Willet and his Limbomastix, who took the non-literal line going back to Calvin, but also adopted by Catholic controversialists. This issue then came up at the Synod of Dort, where it was the unique instance of a point of doctrine at that time distinguishing Anglican beliefs from the generality of Reformed orthodoxy. [1] could be used here. I hope this is of some use. Nitpyck ( talk) 22:23, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
References
The article is now very long, and splitting seems a reasonable idea. The most natural way would be by monarch (Elizabeth, James, Charles, post-1649) to give four articles, each of which would amount to more than 32K. There might be more to do after that, but how would that be as a start? Charles Matthews ( talk) 07:55, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
Puritan settlement in Virginia Colony (1618) One small group of Puritans had already settled in Warrascoyack County in the Virginia Colony, beginning in 1618 with Christopher Lawne who established a plantation at Lawne's Creek. He died the following year, but several other prominent Puritan merchants soon emigrated there, including the Bennett family of Somerset. Under the leadership of Richard Bennett, the community moved from Warrascoyack to neighboring Nansemond beginning in 1635, then sought temporary refuge in Maryland in 1648. They returned to Virginia when the "Roundheads" appointed Bennett as governor there in 1652; later, in 1672, all of them, including Bennett, converted to the Quaker faith upon meeting its founder, George Fox.