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fillipinos are sephardic jews This is a historical entry. It makes no sense to title it with a religious-ethnic category that could be used to designate a group of people. I think it should revert back to "Jews in the Philippines," because that is what the article is about. Hmarcuse 18:51, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
I agree with the above poster. Also I would like to add that I think this article should not even exist. The Jews are in no way near a significant ethnic group in the Philippines, let alone a minority group! Having a page dedicated to Jews in the Philippines would be like having an article "Senegalese in Taiwan" or something as irrelevant as "Senegalese in Taiwan". Instead, more material should be added on articles concerning important Philippine ethnic groups such as the articles on the South Asians, Arabs, Japanese and Koreans - all significant ethnic groups.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.127.119.112 ( talk) 14:20, 11 January 2008 (UTC) To the poster above saying this article should not exist, This article should exist because it is part of our history. Is your antisemitism so deep that you deny this fact? What's wrong if we study this sad part of history? What are you so afraid of? If you are a Christian you should be ashamed of yourself because the founders of the Christian faith was born a Jew, lived as a Jew, & died as a jew. Have you ever wondered why there is a word INRI in every crucifix that you see? Do you know the definition of that word? INRI is Latin for KING OF THE JEWS. "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana The Life of Reason, Vol.1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.122.134.94 ( talk) 17:55, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks to Al-Andalus for the seminal article which almost a word-for-word copy of his discussion. -- Jondel 07:33, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
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03May2018-
Just read all of the comments here and wanted to add recent DNA testing results. As a background, I took this test to figure out why my all Filipino born Catholic parents and grandparents light candle on Friday nights and we why we don't eat bread during the holy week, and why we focus so much on the old testament of the Catholic bible. My Mom has olive skin with brunette hair and my Dad just looks Japanese.
The results were surprising as it showed that I was only 35%Filipino, 4% Cambodian, the other percent from different Chinese tribes broken down but the clincher was 3.8% Jewish.
I posted my results online and got an email from a Jewish woman in Chicago who wanted to connect as we both shared a common ancestry from her Grandmother's side who was part Filipino mestizo. Apparently, the great grandfather from Philippines was Jewish.
My wife also had herself tested and showed that she is 2.5% Jewish. Both of us have no knowledge of any grandparents being born outside of Philippines and she was even surprised that she had any Jewish blood but my mother-in-law did tell me that used to light a candle on Friday nights but discontinued when they had their own families as it did not have any meaning to them.
This is just to she'd light that there is some truth that Marranos did come to Philippines as recorded in our DNA. This is our heritage and we are proud to be Filipinos and Marranos. Our Marrano ancestors chose life and that is why we are here. That is just part of history now and clearly at least for our DNA results. Maybe there's only a few of us but does not change the fact that we deascended from them and they tried to pass down whatever was left of their Jewish heritage that the Pope's Inquisition tried to wipe out.
by Ira Gueta, Manila
. - Sparky fillipinos are sephardic jews
Interesting... i didnt expect to find the secret of the Marrano exodus to the Philippines on the internet. but in this day and age, there are no secrets that cannot be kept, it seems... from what ive gathered, about 2000 of them are listed on a ship manifest to Manila. they were of course jewish by blood but christian by religion, and had much in belief akin to "Nestorian christianity". which is historically interesting since Nestorians were in the Philippines even before the arrival of Europeans. of those 2000, 3 were captured and sent to an auto-de-fe in Mexico City. the rest dispersed and went into hiding. a great majority of those marranos come from Galicia in Spain particularly from villages near Santiago de Compostella, where it is tradition that the body of James the brother of Jesus was buried. though unsubstantiated by written documents, i have come to believe that marranos from the north of Spain are the descendants of those early jewish christians who fled the destruction of Jerusalem. they settled in Galicia by way of southern France. but after 400+ years since their escape to the Philippines, it is difficult to determine the exact numbers of filipinos with jewish blood, but im quite sure it is considerable. with the incredible loss of life after the Philippine Revolution and the Philippine-American War immediately afterwards, many of the secret-holders were not able to pass information to the younger generations of filipinos. thus, a very small core of families possess the knowledge of their ancestry. which worked to the benefit of the secret-holders, as it seems a decision was made to go into hiding again. the Illustrados and the masonic Katipunan who fermented the Philippine Revolution were quite aware of who were in the Bloodline. Dr Jose Rizal, the Filipino who was martyred for writing "Noli Me Tangere" had many masonic symbols in his novels. the fact that the name of his main character (Crisostomo Ybarra) had a marrano last name proves his knowledge of the secret history of the Filipino Bloodline.
by Rosomar Santiago Villadiego - member of Liga Illustrado 2nd Circle, Insurecto Chapter "et in mizrach ego..." "...a time will come"
as for what can be found in books... well, the 2000 marranos escaping to manila, thats a fact ive read in a rare book that was about the jewish sephardic diaspora. the entry for the philippines was just a footnote and was about 5 sentences. with enough time and searching, perhaps i can find that book again. obviously though, there must be other sources besides that one. as for "my claim" that certain filipinos today are descended from those jews. well, common sense will suffice. who else would those 1,997 marranos intermarry with... after 400 years they have blended in, looks wise at least. on top of which these are sephardic jews who were olive skinned (they are middle eastern), not like ashkenazim who are white skinned.
the secret societies that existed and still exist in the philippines and their link to sephardic bloodlines is an even harder thing to prove. since writing their oral histories into books is counter-productive to the whole "secret society" idea. and what is written is in parables. but it is more than just the katipuneros. they were only the revolutionary arm. there is also the spiritual arm that was anti-catholic. and because anyone who spoke ill of roman catholicism was killed in those days, you can understand why there is no written word. even today, anyone publishing text that is anti-catholic would still be frowned upon, at least in PI. those institutions of the spiritual arm that are still existing would be the borneian church and its adherents (aglipayan etc...), the colorums, the rizalistas, the iglesia ni cristo. the political arm is the various masonic brotherhoods.
so what i am trying to say... how will proof be given over something that has been kept secret for so long? even things which arent secret are not believed by the general public. for example... (and this does not break from subject) ashkenazic jews have no "true" israelite blood. ashkenazim are the european, american, israeli jewry we know today. arthur koestler's book "13th tribe" points out that they are khazarian, which was a pagan barbarian nation that converted to judaism prior to the mongol invasions. they converted because of business/trade reasons, beneficial for trade to muslims and catholic nations alike. so, their whole contention today in the middle east is wrong. they claim that modern day israel is theirs because it belonged to their ancestors. when their ancestors are ironically caucasians from the caucasus mountains. and that is the biggest irony in history, hitler believed he was killing jews, but they were caucasians, literally. ive read some historians even go so far as to call ashkenazim as "imposter jews". all this information can be found even in the encylopedia brittanica, and yet (and this is my point) how many people know this secret? it is not in the mainstream, simply because of its implications for world politics. if the catholic church has power over masses and media, think of ashkenazic jews in american media.
so are secret societies a "wierd source" of info? yes, i agree completely. otherwise, i might have written a proper entry for this subject that is verifiable. but there are no other sources. at least, not publicly available at this moment in time. and in the past it was with good reason. as for the future... i for one am hoping these questions and answers are brought to light...
my... this has gotten long, and nearly off topic. as for me, i am one who is impatient in keeping secrets, but is too afraid, too complacent to do much else except post my confessions on a wikipedia discussion.
thanks for the interest and mabuhay...
Rosomar Santiago Villadiego
"a mute mouth is a prison for the one with a bright song on his lips..."
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I just have a question. Is there any documented sources out there when crypto-Jews fled to the Philippines to practice their religion? Thanks. (I do not mean to be disrespectful) ElCayid ( talk) 08:24, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
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fillipinos are sephardic jews This is a historical entry. It makes no sense to title it with a religious-ethnic category that could be used to designate a group of people. I think it should revert back to "Jews in the Philippines," because that is what the article is about. Hmarcuse 18:51, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
I agree with the above poster. Also I would like to add that I think this article should not even exist. The Jews are in no way near a significant ethnic group in the Philippines, let alone a minority group! Having a page dedicated to Jews in the Philippines would be like having an article "Senegalese in Taiwan" or something as irrelevant as "Senegalese in Taiwan". Instead, more material should be added on articles concerning important Philippine ethnic groups such as the articles on the South Asians, Arabs, Japanese and Koreans - all significant ethnic groups.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.127.119.112 ( talk) 14:20, 11 January 2008 (UTC) To the poster above saying this article should not exist, This article should exist because it is part of our history. Is your antisemitism so deep that you deny this fact? What's wrong if we study this sad part of history? What are you so afraid of? If you are a Christian you should be ashamed of yourself because the founders of the Christian faith was born a Jew, lived as a Jew, & died as a jew. Have you ever wondered why there is a word INRI in every crucifix that you see? Do you know the definition of that word? INRI is Latin for KING OF THE JEWS. "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana The Life of Reason, Vol.1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.122.134.94 ( talk) 17:55, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks to Al-Andalus for the seminal article which almost a word-for-word copy of his discussion. -- Jondel 07:33, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
Taken from: Talk:Stephenson:Neal:Cryptonomicon:30:the real Philippines. Randy pays no attention to it…(Alan Sinder) From the Quicksilver Metaweb.
03May2018-
Just read all of the comments here and wanted to add recent DNA testing results. As a background, I took this test to figure out why my all Filipino born Catholic parents and grandparents light candle on Friday nights and we why we don't eat bread during the holy week, and why we focus so much on the old testament of the Catholic bible. My Mom has olive skin with brunette hair and my Dad just looks Japanese.
The results were surprising as it showed that I was only 35%Filipino, 4% Cambodian, the other percent from different Chinese tribes broken down but the clincher was 3.8% Jewish.
I posted my results online and got an email from a Jewish woman in Chicago who wanted to connect as we both shared a common ancestry from her Grandmother's side who was part Filipino mestizo. Apparently, the great grandfather from Philippines was Jewish.
My wife also had herself tested and showed that she is 2.5% Jewish. Both of us have no knowledge of any grandparents being born outside of Philippines and she was even surprised that she had any Jewish blood but my mother-in-law did tell me that used to light a candle on Friday nights but discontinued when they had their own families as it did not have any meaning to them.
This is just to she'd light that there is some truth that Marranos did come to Philippines as recorded in our DNA. This is our heritage and we are proud to be Filipinos and Marranos. Our Marrano ancestors chose life and that is why we are here. That is just part of history now and clearly at least for our DNA results. Maybe there's only a few of us but does not change the fact that we deascended from them and they tried to pass down whatever was left of their Jewish heritage that the Pope's Inquisition tried to wipe out.
by Ira Gueta, Manila
. - Sparky fillipinos are sephardic jews
Interesting... i didnt expect to find the secret of the Marrano exodus to the Philippines on the internet. but in this day and age, there are no secrets that cannot be kept, it seems... from what ive gathered, about 2000 of them are listed on a ship manifest to Manila. they were of course jewish by blood but christian by religion, and had much in belief akin to "Nestorian christianity". which is historically interesting since Nestorians were in the Philippines even before the arrival of Europeans. of those 2000, 3 were captured and sent to an auto-de-fe in Mexico City. the rest dispersed and went into hiding. a great majority of those marranos come from Galicia in Spain particularly from villages near Santiago de Compostella, where it is tradition that the body of James the brother of Jesus was buried. though unsubstantiated by written documents, i have come to believe that marranos from the north of Spain are the descendants of those early jewish christians who fled the destruction of Jerusalem. they settled in Galicia by way of southern France. but after 400+ years since their escape to the Philippines, it is difficult to determine the exact numbers of filipinos with jewish blood, but im quite sure it is considerable. with the incredible loss of life after the Philippine Revolution and the Philippine-American War immediately afterwards, many of the secret-holders were not able to pass information to the younger generations of filipinos. thus, a very small core of families possess the knowledge of their ancestry. which worked to the benefit of the secret-holders, as it seems a decision was made to go into hiding again. the Illustrados and the masonic Katipunan who fermented the Philippine Revolution were quite aware of who were in the Bloodline. Dr Jose Rizal, the Filipino who was martyred for writing "Noli Me Tangere" had many masonic symbols in his novels. the fact that the name of his main character (Crisostomo Ybarra) had a marrano last name proves his knowledge of the secret history of the Filipino Bloodline.
by Rosomar Santiago Villadiego - member of Liga Illustrado 2nd Circle, Insurecto Chapter "et in mizrach ego..." "...a time will come"
as for what can be found in books... well, the 2000 marranos escaping to manila, thats a fact ive read in a rare book that was about the jewish sephardic diaspora. the entry for the philippines was just a footnote and was about 5 sentences. with enough time and searching, perhaps i can find that book again. obviously though, there must be other sources besides that one. as for "my claim" that certain filipinos today are descended from those jews. well, common sense will suffice. who else would those 1,997 marranos intermarry with... after 400 years they have blended in, looks wise at least. on top of which these are sephardic jews who were olive skinned (they are middle eastern), not like ashkenazim who are white skinned.
the secret societies that existed and still exist in the philippines and their link to sephardic bloodlines is an even harder thing to prove. since writing their oral histories into books is counter-productive to the whole "secret society" idea. and what is written is in parables. but it is more than just the katipuneros. they were only the revolutionary arm. there is also the spiritual arm that was anti-catholic. and because anyone who spoke ill of roman catholicism was killed in those days, you can understand why there is no written word. even today, anyone publishing text that is anti-catholic would still be frowned upon, at least in PI. those institutions of the spiritual arm that are still existing would be the borneian church and its adherents (aglipayan etc...), the colorums, the rizalistas, the iglesia ni cristo. the political arm is the various masonic brotherhoods.
so what i am trying to say... how will proof be given over something that has been kept secret for so long? even things which arent secret are not believed by the general public. for example... (and this does not break from subject) ashkenazic jews have no "true" israelite blood. ashkenazim are the european, american, israeli jewry we know today. arthur koestler's book "13th tribe" points out that they are khazarian, which was a pagan barbarian nation that converted to judaism prior to the mongol invasions. they converted because of business/trade reasons, beneficial for trade to muslims and catholic nations alike. so, their whole contention today in the middle east is wrong. they claim that modern day israel is theirs because it belonged to their ancestors. when their ancestors are ironically caucasians from the caucasus mountains. and that is the biggest irony in history, hitler believed he was killing jews, but they were caucasians, literally. ive read some historians even go so far as to call ashkenazim as "imposter jews". all this information can be found even in the encylopedia brittanica, and yet (and this is my point) how many people know this secret? it is not in the mainstream, simply because of its implications for world politics. if the catholic church has power over masses and media, think of ashkenazic jews in american media.
so are secret societies a "wierd source" of info? yes, i agree completely. otherwise, i might have written a proper entry for this subject that is verifiable. but there are no other sources. at least, not publicly available at this moment in time. and in the past it was with good reason. as for the future... i for one am hoping these questions and answers are brought to light...
my... this has gotten long, and nearly off topic. as for me, i am one who is impatient in keeping secrets, but is too afraid, too complacent to do much else except post my confessions on a wikipedia discussion.
thanks for the interest and mabuhay...
Rosomar Santiago Villadiego
"a mute mouth is a prison for the one with a bright song on his lips..."
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I just have a question. Is there any documented sources out there when crypto-Jews fled to the Philippines to practice their religion? Thanks. (I do not mean to be disrespectful) ElCayid ( talk) 08:24, 15 February 2024 (UTC)