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Almost everything in this article is a lie, but they are lies that are copiously well documented with no end of official documents, so no point in correcting them. In many cases, even where the story given in this page is definitely known to be untrue, no one knows what was in fact true.
James A. Donald 20:44, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
The above comment is essentially still correct! I have made a small contribution towards truth, but this article is dire Hillhead boy ( talk) 13:39, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
Just for a (preemptive) clarification. The document used as source on my latest edits is PD, as it was published in Soviet Union prior to WWII. -- Soman 16:53, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Obviously, this article needs to be splitted. Any suggestions? -- Soman 21:46, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
The section on Stalin's rise to power contains this:
I cannot parse the sentence contain this. From context the implied meaning is that Stalin belonged to the Orgburo and the others didn't. Is this what was intended? Molinari 20:57, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
I propose that the page be moved back to its original location. -- Soman 07:56, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
This move is warranted solely because the previous move was undiscussed. However, there are other reasons why " History of the CPSU" is a more appropriate title. "Official" in the title implies that the article is either an officially sanctioned history of the party (it is not) in which case it doesn't belong at Wikipedia. If it were solely an exposition of the various official histories of the CPSU proffered by the CPSU at various times, it could be titled "Official histories of the CPSU." However, the article is or attempts to be an actual history of the CPSU and should remain at that title. The solution to the problems supposedly addressed by the "Official" title should be addressed with editing and citation. — AjaxSmack 16:58, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
After reading this article I can tell that a good deal of the information is whitewashed, if not fabricated. I don't think anyone can ever be certain that this article depicts what actually happened and not what merely made the party look good. Might it be wise to mention this dilemma in the article's introduction? — User:ACupOfCoffee @ 22:00, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
This is a strong candidate for worst article on Wikipedia for a subject of this scope. As near as I can tell, the first two-thirds of this article (up to the Tenth Party Congress) is a summary of the notorious History of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolshevik). Short Course issued by Stalin in 1939 to revise the party's history, inflating his role in the 1917 Revolution and Civil War and denigrating the contributions of most of the other Old Bolsheviks, first and foremost Trotsky. Even the most doctrinaire Marxist-Leninist will admit this is a wholly unreliable source. Given the primacy of the party's role in the country from 1917-1989, is this article even necessary separate from the history of the Soviet Union? Perhaps an NPOV article on the history of the RSDLP(b) party up to February 1917 would be worthwhile; I doubt this article as is can otherwise be salvaged. - Timchik ( talk) 02:44, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
I propose this article be split in the vein of History of the Soviet Union. - Presidentman talk · contribs Random Picture of the Day ( Talkback) 15:26, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
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Five years have passed and this article is still basically akin to the way it was back then, most notably having the bulk of its citations come from Stalin's Short Course. Sometime next year I intend to rewrite the entire article using a variety of sources (both Western and Soviet.) -- Ismail ( talk) 10:14, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
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Almost everything in this article is a lie, but they are lies that are copiously well documented with no end of official documents, so no point in correcting them. In many cases, even where the story given in this page is definitely known to be untrue, no one knows what was in fact true.
James A. Donald 20:44, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
The above comment is essentially still correct! I have made a small contribution towards truth, but this article is dire Hillhead boy ( talk) 13:39, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
Just for a (preemptive) clarification. The document used as source on my latest edits is PD, as it was published in Soviet Union prior to WWII. -- Soman 16:53, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Obviously, this article needs to be splitted. Any suggestions? -- Soman 21:46, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
The section on Stalin's rise to power contains this:
I cannot parse the sentence contain this. From context the implied meaning is that Stalin belonged to the Orgburo and the others didn't. Is this what was intended? Molinari 20:57, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
I propose that the page be moved back to its original location. -- Soman 07:56, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
This move is warranted solely because the previous move was undiscussed. However, there are other reasons why " History of the CPSU" is a more appropriate title. "Official" in the title implies that the article is either an officially sanctioned history of the party (it is not) in which case it doesn't belong at Wikipedia. If it were solely an exposition of the various official histories of the CPSU proffered by the CPSU at various times, it could be titled "Official histories of the CPSU." However, the article is or attempts to be an actual history of the CPSU and should remain at that title. The solution to the problems supposedly addressed by the "Official" title should be addressed with editing and citation. — AjaxSmack 16:58, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
After reading this article I can tell that a good deal of the information is whitewashed, if not fabricated. I don't think anyone can ever be certain that this article depicts what actually happened and not what merely made the party look good. Might it be wise to mention this dilemma in the article's introduction? — User:ACupOfCoffee @ 22:00, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
This is a strong candidate for worst article on Wikipedia for a subject of this scope. As near as I can tell, the first two-thirds of this article (up to the Tenth Party Congress) is a summary of the notorious History of the All-Union Communist Party (Bolshevik). Short Course issued by Stalin in 1939 to revise the party's history, inflating his role in the 1917 Revolution and Civil War and denigrating the contributions of most of the other Old Bolsheviks, first and foremost Trotsky. Even the most doctrinaire Marxist-Leninist will admit this is a wholly unreliable source. Given the primacy of the party's role in the country from 1917-1989, is this article even necessary separate from the history of the Soviet Union? Perhaps an NPOV article on the history of the RSDLP(b) party up to February 1917 would be worthwhile; I doubt this article as is can otherwise be salvaged. - Timchik ( talk) 02:44, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
I propose this article be split in the vein of History of the Soviet Union. - Presidentman talk · contribs Random Picture of the Day ( Talkback) 15:26, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
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Five years have passed and this article is still basically akin to the way it was back then, most notably having the bulk of its citations come from Stalin's Short Course. Sometime next year I intend to rewrite the entire article using a variety of sources (both Western and Soviet.) -- Ismail ( talk) 10:14, 20 September 2018 (UTC)