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I changed the order of Saul Msane and H.L. Bud M'belle as secretaries general of the ANC (actually it still was the SANNC at that time). Msane died in 1919 and could not have been s.g. after his death. This error is widely reproduced in books that may be used for reference, unfortunately. It seems to have been introduced by Tom Karis and Gwendolyn Carter in connection with their mistaken conflation of Horatio L. Bud M'belle with his uncle Isaiah Bud M'belle, creating a non-existent person "Horatio Isaiah." Isaiah Bud M'belle fell out with more radical SANNC leaders (including Horatio Bud M'belle) in 1919 and left the organization for a time; Karis and Carter seem to have concluded that "Horatio Isaiah" could not therefore have been s.g. from 1919-1923 and reversed that fictitious person with Msane in their accounting, which has been followed mistakenly by others. Chris Lowe ( talk) 20:40, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
The article currently says that Oliver Tambo served as president of the ANC from 1967 to 1991 and as deputy president from 1957 to 1985. Wouldn't that mean he was serving as his own second-in-command to himself for 18 years, from 1967 to 1985? Is that an error? -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 20:28, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
Any legitimate reference that justifies applying that term to pre-ANC groups? 67.169.120.102 ( talk) 00:29, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
If anybody is in the mood to expand this article, here are a few things I think it would be nice (and/or crucial!) to include:
Feel free to remove items once done! Jlalbion ( talk) 16:48, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
British 102.182.125.52 ( talk) 09:43, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
British 102.182.125.52 ( talk) 09:45, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
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I changed the order of Saul Msane and H.L. Bud M'belle as secretaries general of the ANC (actually it still was the SANNC at that time). Msane died in 1919 and could not have been s.g. after his death. This error is widely reproduced in books that may be used for reference, unfortunately. It seems to have been introduced by Tom Karis and Gwendolyn Carter in connection with their mistaken conflation of Horatio L. Bud M'belle with his uncle Isaiah Bud M'belle, creating a non-existent person "Horatio Isaiah." Isaiah Bud M'belle fell out with more radical SANNC leaders (including Horatio Bud M'belle) in 1919 and left the organization for a time; Karis and Carter seem to have concluded that "Horatio Isaiah" could not therefore have been s.g. from 1919-1923 and reversed that fictitious person with Msane in their accounting, which has been followed mistakenly by others. Chris Lowe ( talk) 20:40, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
The article currently says that Oliver Tambo served as president of the ANC from 1967 to 1991 and as deputy president from 1957 to 1985. Wouldn't that mean he was serving as his own second-in-command to himself for 18 years, from 1967 to 1985? Is that an error? -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 20:28, 8 December 2013 (UTC)
Any legitimate reference that justifies applying that term to pre-ANC groups? 67.169.120.102 ( talk) 00:29, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
If anybody is in the mood to expand this article, here are a few things I think it would be nice (and/or crucial!) to include:
Feel free to remove items once done! Jlalbion ( talk) 16:48, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
British 102.182.125.52 ( talk) 09:43, 10 July 2022 (UTC)
British 102.182.125.52 ( talk) 09:45, 10 July 2022 (UTC)