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I don't understand how One Piece isn't included in this article when it is the most successful manga in Japan, and has been breaking records. That has something to do with the history of manga. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.106.175.95 ( talk) 23:13, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
Did any Chinese visual arts influence Japan? After all, Japan adopted the Chinese imperial system, the writing system, and Zen Buddhism. Particularly, there is an image in the Journey to the West article that looks very much like a manga page. KyuuA4 08:23, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
Kern, Adam. (2006). Manga from the Floating World: Comicbook Culture and the Kibyoshi of Edo Japan. Cambridge: Harvard University Press. ISBN-10: 0674022661; ISBN-13: 978-0674022669.
Kern, Adam. (editor) (2007). Kibyoshi: The World’s First Comicbook? Symposium. International Journal of Comic Art, Volume 9, Number 1, Spring 2007, pages 1-486.
Timothy Perper 17:12, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
This article has been updated with the contents of the history section of the Manga article. That section (in the Manga article) will now be turned into a summary of this page. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 01:49, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
What was the first manga? If anyone knows, we should add it. – 「JUMPGURU」 @ Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 00:12, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
I think this article fails to mention the early Western influences on manga, such as Tokyo Puck, and imported pre-WWII American comic strips. 惑乱 Wakuran ( talk) 19:29, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Is the spelling not Toba scrolls, from the author Toba Sōjō? 惑乱 Wakuran ( talk) 19:32, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Thank you; I made the change. Timothy Perper ( talk) 09:07, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
Having read this article, I have to agree with Doceirias's upgrade of this article to B class, but am wondering: has it ever been considered to list the article for peer review/good article status? G.A.S 19:08, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
I don't know if this would pass GA. There are several aspects that lack focus and no examples of more modern stylization including those with color. 陣 内 Jinnai 06:05, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Is it just me or does this article read more like "gender in manga" and "shojo manga" than general manga history in the majority of it? It's like someone just pasted the whole shojo manga article into the middle of this one. These are good topics but maybe it should be cut down in favor of the development of the art form in its entirety in a historical narrative. In the shonen portion too, it seems to suffer from too much details about specific stories/characteristics of manga and not about a establishing the 'manga history' narrative. Chunky Peanut Butter.
-- Vehgah ( talk) 06:17, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Their are manga clearly before the 18th century as far back as the 12th century historians have recognized artwork as manga. 陣 内 Jinnai 21:25, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
Right-to-left reading...do you have a source noting it was from imported Chinese literature that was then copied by Japanese authors? If so can you list it? The source listed now I'll admit isn't a scholarly one so if you find a some historical research on it, i'll concede the point. 陣 内 Jinnai 22:23, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure this article will ever achieve completeness :(
Compared to some section of the French manga A Class article. fr:Manga#Cr.C3.A9ation_des_mangas. There is meat to chew and someone like Rakuten Kitazawa is not even mentioned.
I think the period between 1860-70 to 1940 need to be covered. -- KrebMarkt 16:32, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
A long discussion on graphic novel between Matthias Wivel & Xavier Guilbert. Manga as graphic novel was discussed. To spare you a long long reading i quoted what i found interesting on manga here. -- KrebMarkt 08:45, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
An interview of Frederich Shodt on ANN some interesting points. -- KrebMarkt 22:52, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
I just removed an edit, clearly made in good faith, that nonetheless added an error. The changed paragraph with the new material is here, where I used a strike through to mark the change I made.
There are two reasons for the change. First, sex with minors may be depicted in some manga, but none is referenced in the Perper and Cornog paper cited. I know because I'm one of the authors of that paper. Second, the paragraph refers to sexually explicit material that "correspondingly" occurs in English translations, and to my knowledge, no pedophilic manga has been licensed for translation in the United States or England. (Nor will it be, given US laws.)
If someone editing this section wants to add comments about explicitly pedophilic manga, either in Japanese or English, then please add that material separately with separate sources provided. Such comments can't be tacked onto a reference to the paper Martha Cornog and I wrote, although that paper is a valid reference for the rest of the sentence. I would recommend, if I may, that the topic of pedophilic manga be treated historically in this article, because it is about the history of manga. I'd like to thank the editor for thinking of this change, but it was inaccurate as added.
Timothy Perper ( talk) 20:47, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
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Please let's be civil here and stop with the threats. This isn't a forum so unless the legality here of sex with minors matters for the argument that was originally brought up, which I cannot see how it does, just drop that subject for the moment and get back to the original statement "I just removed an edit, clearly made in good faith, that nonetheless added an error. The changed paragraph with the new material is here, where I used a strike through to mark the change I made."
I happen to agree with the statement. The removal does not automatically state that underaged depictions did not occur nor does it say they did. It goes as far as the text goes and the rest, until verifiable evidence is shown should be left out and to the readers interpretation. 陣 内 Jinnai 22:11, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
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I don't understand how One Piece isn't included in this article when it is the most successful manga in Japan, and has been breaking records. That has something to do with the history of manga. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.106.175.95 ( talk) 23:13, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
Did any Chinese visual arts influence Japan? After all, Japan adopted the Chinese imperial system, the writing system, and Zen Buddhism. Particularly, there is an image in the Journey to the West article that looks very much like a manga page. KyuuA4 08:23, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
Kern, Adam. (2006). Manga from the Floating World: Comicbook Culture and the Kibyoshi of Edo Japan. Cambridge: Harvard University Press. ISBN-10: 0674022661; ISBN-13: 978-0674022669.
Kern, Adam. (editor) (2007). Kibyoshi: The World’s First Comicbook? Symposium. International Journal of Comic Art, Volume 9, Number 1, Spring 2007, pages 1-486.
Timothy Perper 17:12, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
This article has been updated with the contents of the history section of the Manga article. That section (in the Manga article) will now be turned into a summary of this page. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 01:49, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
What was the first manga? If anyone knows, we should add it. – 「JUMPGURU」 @ Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 00:12, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
I think this article fails to mention the early Western influences on manga, such as Tokyo Puck, and imported pre-WWII American comic strips. 惑乱 Wakuran ( talk) 19:29, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Is the spelling not Toba scrolls, from the author Toba Sōjō? 惑乱 Wakuran ( talk) 19:32, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
Thank you; I made the change. Timothy Perper ( talk) 09:07, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
Having read this article, I have to agree with Doceirias's upgrade of this article to B class, but am wondering: has it ever been considered to list the article for peer review/good article status? G.A.S 19:08, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
I don't know if this would pass GA. There are several aspects that lack focus and no examples of more modern stylization including those with color. 陣 内 Jinnai 06:05, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
Is it just me or does this article read more like "gender in manga" and "shojo manga" than general manga history in the majority of it? It's like someone just pasted the whole shojo manga article into the middle of this one. These are good topics but maybe it should be cut down in favor of the development of the art form in its entirety in a historical narrative. In the shonen portion too, it seems to suffer from too much details about specific stories/characteristics of manga and not about a establishing the 'manga history' narrative. Chunky Peanut Butter.
-- Vehgah ( talk) 06:17, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Their are manga clearly before the 18th century as far back as the 12th century historians have recognized artwork as manga. 陣 内 Jinnai 21:25, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
Right-to-left reading...do you have a source noting it was from imported Chinese literature that was then copied by Japanese authors? If so can you list it? The source listed now I'll admit isn't a scholarly one so if you find a some historical research on it, i'll concede the point. 陣 内 Jinnai 22:23, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure this article will ever achieve completeness :(
Compared to some section of the French manga A Class article. fr:Manga#Cr.C3.A9ation_des_mangas. There is meat to chew and someone like Rakuten Kitazawa is not even mentioned.
I think the period between 1860-70 to 1940 need to be covered. -- KrebMarkt 16:32, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
A long discussion on graphic novel between Matthias Wivel & Xavier Guilbert. Manga as graphic novel was discussed. To spare you a long long reading i quoted what i found interesting on manga here. -- KrebMarkt 08:45, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
An interview of Frederich Shodt on ANN some interesting points. -- KrebMarkt 22:52, 27 October 2009 (UTC)
I just removed an edit, clearly made in good faith, that nonetheless added an error. The changed paragraph with the new material is here, where I used a strike through to mark the change I made.
There are two reasons for the change. First, sex with minors may be depicted in some manga, but none is referenced in the Perper and Cornog paper cited. I know because I'm one of the authors of that paper. Second, the paragraph refers to sexually explicit material that "correspondingly" occurs in English translations, and to my knowledge, no pedophilic manga has been licensed for translation in the United States or England. (Nor will it be, given US laws.)
If someone editing this section wants to add comments about explicitly pedophilic manga, either in Japanese or English, then please add that material separately with separate sources provided. Such comments can't be tacked onto a reference to the paper Martha Cornog and I wrote, although that paper is a valid reference for the rest of the sentence. I would recommend, if I may, that the topic of pedophilic manga be treated historically in this article, because it is about the history of manga. I'd like to thank the editor for thinking of this change, but it was inaccurate as added.
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Please let's be civil here and stop with the threats. This isn't a forum so unless the legality here of sex with minors matters for the argument that was originally brought up, which I cannot see how it does, just drop that subject for the moment and get back to the original statement "I just removed an edit, clearly made in good faith, that nonetheless added an error. The changed paragraph with the new material is here, where I used a strike through to mark the change I made."
I happen to agree with the statement. The removal does not automatically state that underaged depictions did not occur nor does it say they did. It goes as far as the text goes and the rest, until verifiable evidence is shown should be left out and to the readers interpretation. 陣 内 Jinnai 22:11, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
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Is there any reason why "manga" and "history of manga" are two separate pages? Genuinely curious. ParXivalRPT ( talk) 01:18, 10 March 2024 (UTC)