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The statements about techniques developed by Jewish glassblowers in Judea and Alexandria echo things I've seen elsewhere, but in this article they are unsourced or sourced to references that don't support the statements. If anyone knows of documentation, I would love to learn more about this! Bassomatic ( talk) 19:29, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
- I'm also interested in this. Have you seen this, though it mostly concentrates on "Jewish glass" rather than Jewish glassworkers, and indeed glass distributors and traders, who also seem to have been important. Johnbod ( talk) 16:34, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- Neither is correct I done research many times and there are no actual sources to confirm those statements. Glass blowing was done much later. There ware no glasses made out of the glass until the late middle century. People even in the royal families have used the cups of silver or gold or tin or other metal and no actual glasses from glass. The early work with glass is made by polishing of the melted material and often the send ware not used but the glass ware byproduct. So much later the point of making the glass and finding a way to made clear glass is done. No windows existed during the early and middle mid centuries that ware out of glass. They ware out of wood closings for the parchments. And the ceiling glass ware earlier made for the royal castles then any type of the window anywhere. Later the glass for window which ware made by polishing and casing was not clear so it ware not for use until the clear glass was made possible.
- Also the field glass material in 12 century ware similar to the material for the ceiling and other decorative uses. As it is made by polishing the peace with sand rocks. Markoshiva ( talk) 13:13, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
Everyone knows Vesuvius covered these cities in 79AD. Yet the sentence before that dates the invention of clear glass was in 100AD. Both cannot be true. Underfly ( talk) 10:57, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
- Non existent either both are lies some group of people just want for their country or area to look more significant so they fake entries on wikipedia.
- Check my previous answer for an actual historic overview of production of glass. Markoshiva ( talk) 13:15, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
The section on American glass is largely unreferenced, and much appears to have been copied from poorly written sources. Red58bill ( talk) 05:51, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
And in what way is the whole section historically important, or was it all just written by a yank.— Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])
In the first paragraph of the History of glass article the first man made glass is dated as 3500BC. Two lines later (and further down the page) it is dated at the middle of the 3rd millenium BC, which is 1000 years later. Which is right? David jd Johnson ( talk) 14:06, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
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I have removed a sentence that is ambiguous: "The requisite technology for the construction of plate-glass had been made possible just a few years earlier by James Hartley, working for the firm Chance Brothers." In fact, Hartley was a crown glass maker and did not necessarily approve of the 'new' sheet glass manufacture that was introduced by Chance Brothers in 1832, by using French workers. Plate glass was made by casting glass onto a table and then rolling it flat. The name of the firm of 'Chance Brothers' was also not used until 1836, after Hartley's sons left 'Chances & Hartleys', but was called British Crown Glass Company until 1834. I hope this clears things up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GlassyEye ( talk • contribs) 10:49, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
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This page does a broad section on the history of glass and manages to touch on what different countries and cultures did with the glass that they developed. I believe an independent section on applications of glass should be added. This could delve into why a culture developed a specific type of glass, what they used it for, and how it lead to the development of "better glass" or other applications in other countries or cultures.
-- Njanrd ( talk) 17:44, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
Here's an extract: "Today it is certain that the mosaic glass cups from the Iron Age of North Iran, such as Hassnlou Tepe, Marlik Tepe." uh what? Could someone who's more knowledgeable with Wikipedia (& ancient glass from Iran) tidy this up? 132.181.92.156 ( talk) 20:13, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
- Looks like that was from a set of recent edits by an IP editor a few weeks back: [1]. Feel free to tidy it up. TJRC ( talk) 20:38, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
the beginning of the articla states that there is a controversy about the place where glass was first made: it is thought to have been discovered in Mesopotamia, though it may be Egypt or Syria... it also states that it might have been a byproduct of metalworking or faience making... I have a problem, since true faience seems to be a VIII century AD discovery, and the material known as Egyptian faience is actually a vitreous product... maybe some clearing up is needed? -- Svartalf ( talk) 15:55, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
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With the discovery of clear glass (through the introduction of manganese dioxide), by glass blowers in Alexandria circa 100 AD, the Romans began to use glass for architectural purposes. Cast glass windows, albeit with poor optical qualities, began to appear in the most important buildings in Rome and the most luxurious villas of Herculaneum and Pompeii.
This doesn't make sense chronologically: Herculaneum and Pompeii were destroyed in 79 CE, so they can't have glass windows produced using techniques invented in 100 CE. Daask ( talk) 17:02, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
- No, I expect it should be "during the 1st century AD" - see the Roman section below.
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- See also Roman_glass#Tesserae_and_window_glass which says by the beginning of the 1st century (probably) - I'd change to that if the ref had a page #. Johnbod ( talk) 20:13, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
- That is irrelevant the term AD which doesn't make sense as its fake and term CE are the same just the later makes sense.
- The AD meaning anno domino doesn't mean anything. Literal meaning is "the year of our lord" - heretic church which is built upon the lies. The term BC also doesn't mean a lot.
- CE means common era and its used for years that we use today from the what we call 1 year there ware never a 0 year all nations used different calendar you have ancient Greek calendar being called Byzantium calendar based on the Greek city found in 7 century BCE.
- Other nations had there own calendars and they ware passage of years similarly however days and groups of days not always on the same way. The year ware tracked by the seasons passed. The days depends from region to region. There ware agreements around the 1 CE to use the common length of the week. The ancient Greeks already have their month and season months and others usually had their own as people started communicating back then on the Greek language they stared aligning their common terms to understand one another group. There ware borrowings of words from different groups Greeks in Greece and Mediterranean Greeks in nowadays Italy Greeks in the Levant region and others had similar language there ware other tribes like ilyrians who also borrowed from the Greeks writing and had similar words some pronouncing differently and some new words different words. All groups had that.
- BCE means before common era and its same to what other church people call BC.
- So the religion is built upon some of the old writings of ancient Greeks in Egypt so called Coptic civilization and then later reused by different groups. Do not take every church book for granted ever anywhere think for yourself and compare things. People which lived in the area of Levant during the times of the ancient Greeks there ware Greeks before making the nations and moving to Mediterranean islands predecessors there around the 27000 BCE which started moving to islands settled made civilization and some of them stayed around the Levant there ware other groups there also getting around and mixing ones with another however Greeks considered that area as long there are Greek related people there friendly. Greeks waged wars against Mesopotamia - sumer with people from that region waged wars with akadians and also later with Babylonians and with early Iranians. All of those wars ware successful and you can find that in actual history writings.
- So another thing Jewish people are known to add later in newer age some things about some new group of people to be linked to them. that was a way for them to survive and increase the amount of people that are gonna help them if someone attack them. Like with Khazar adding the person from 15 century CE into the descendants of Abraham or Ibrahim as the Arabians would call. One specific thing they have funny script they write right to left and many people doesn't know how to read the Hebrew and Arabian. However if you read carefully you will notice where the additions are made and if you know what ware happening in the region during that period then you can assume what and why they added similarly some Arabic other texts then the Quran are sometimes additionally edited. Markoshiva ( talk) 13:53, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- No, I expect it should be "during the 1st century AD" - see the Roman section below.
Johnbod (
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20:02, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
Reference 1: origin at least 3600 years ago Reference 2: oldest objects date to mid third millennium BC Conclusion: oldest objects, (2500 BC) are therefore 4500 years old, predating reference #1 by nearly 1,000 years. 5,000 years is a conservative and citable estimate. Reference #1, though technically not incorrect, is incongruent with reference #2. A mathematical error. 50.34.136.184 ( talk) 12:34, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
The origins section attributes an origin story of glass to Agricola. Looking at the source material(*), it seems that this is more likely a note from the English translators, and not part of the original work. The quote itself seems to be a direct translation of Pliny the Elder XXXVI. 65. Not sure what to do here, since the quote appears correct, but it looks like it's Pliny via the English translators.
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The statements about techniques developed by Jewish glassblowers in Judea and Alexandria echo things I've seen elsewhere, but in this article they are unsourced or sourced to references that don't support the statements. If anyone knows of documentation, I would love to learn more about this! Bassomatic ( talk) 19:29, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
- I'm also interested in this. Have you seen this, though it mostly concentrates on "Jewish glass" rather than Jewish glassworkers, and indeed glass distributors and traders, who also seem to have been important. Johnbod ( talk) 16:34, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
- Neither is correct I done research many times and there are no actual sources to confirm those statements. Glass blowing was done much later. There ware no glasses made out of the glass until the late middle century. People even in the royal families have used the cups of silver or gold or tin or other metal and no actual glasses from glass. The early work with glass is made by polishing of the melted material and often the send ware not used but the glass ware byproduct. So much later the point of making the glass and finding a way to made clear glass is done. No windows existed during the early and middle mid centuries that ware out of glass. They ware out of wood closings for the parchments. And the ceiling glass ware earlier made for the royal castles then any type of the window anywhere. Later the glass for window which ware made by polishing and casing was not clear so it ware not for use until the clear glass was made possible.
- Also the field glass material in 12 century ware similar to the material for the ceiling and other decorative uses. As it is made by polishing the peace with sand rocks. Markoshiva ( talk) 13:13, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
Everyone knows Vesuvius covered these cities in 79AD. Yet the sentence before that dates the invention of clear glass was in 100AD. Both cannot be true. Underfly ( talk) 10:57, 25 August 2015 (UTC)
- Non existent either both are lies some group of people just want for their country or area to look more significant so they fake entries on wikipedia.
- Check my previous answer for an actual historic overview of production of glass. Markoshiva ( talk) 13:15, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
The section on American glass is largely unreferenced, and much appears to have been copied from poorly written sources. Red58bill ( talk) 05:51, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
And in what way is the whole section historically important, or was it all just written by a yank.— Preceding unsigned comment added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]])
In the first paragraph of the History of glass article the first man made glass is dated as 3500BC. Two lines later (and further down the page) it is dated at the middle of the 3rd millenium BC, which is 1000 years later. Which is right? David jd Johnson ( talk) 14:06, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
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I have removed a sentence that is ambiguous: "The requisite technology for the construction of plate-glass had been made possible just a few years earlier by James Hartley, working for the firm Chance Brothers." In fact, Hartley was a crown glass maker and did not necessarily approve of the 'new' sheet glass manufacture that was introduced by Chance Brothers in 1832, by using French workers. Plate glass was made by casting glass onto a table and then rolling it flat. The name of the firm of 'Chance Brothers' was also not used until 1836, after Hartley's sons left 'Chances & Hartleys', but was called British Crown Glass Company until 1834. I hope this clears things up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GlassyEye ( talk • contribs) 10:49, 14 March 2017 (UTC)
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Hello,
This page does a broad section on the history of glass and manages to touch on what different countries and cultures did with the glass that they developed. I believe an independent section on applications of glass should be added. This could delve into why a culture developed a specific type of glass, what they used it for, and how it lead to the development of "better glass" or other applications in other countries or cultures.
-- Njanrd ( talk) 17:44, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
Here's an extract: "Today it is certain that the mosaic glass cups from the Iron Age of North Iran, such as Hassnlou Tepe, Marlik Tepe." uh what? Could someone who's more knowledgeable with Wikipedia (& ancient glass from Iran) tidy this up? 132.181.92.156 ( talk) 20:13, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
- Looks like that was from a set of recent edits by an IP editor a few weeks back: [1]. Feel free to tidy it up. TJRC ( talk) 20:38, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
the beginning of the articla states that there is a controversy about the place where glass was first made: it is thought to have been discovered in Mesopotamia, though it may be Egypt or Syria... it also states that it might have been a byproduct of metalworking or faience making... I have a problem, since true faience seems to be a VIII century AD discovery, and the material known as Egyptian faience is actually a vitreous product... maybe some clearing up is needed? -- Svartalf ( talk) 15:55, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
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With the discovery of clear glass (through the introduction of manganese dioxide), by glass blowers in Alexandria circa 100 AD, the Romans began to use glass for architectural purposes. Cast glass windows, albeit with poor optical qualities, began to appear in the most important buildings in Rome and the most luxurious villas of Herculaneum and Pompeii.
This doesn't make sense chronologically: Herculaneum and Pompeii were destroyed in 79 CE, so they can't have glass windows produced using techniques invented in 100 CE. Daask ( talk) 17:02, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
- No, I expect it should be "during the 1st century AD" - see the Roman section below.
Johnbod (
talk)
20:02, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
- See also Roman_glass#Tesserae_and_window_glass which says by the beginning of the 1st century (probably) - I'd change to that if the ref had a page #. Johnbod ( talk) 20:13, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
- That is irrelevant the term AD which doesn't make sense as its fake and term CE are the same just the later makes sense.
- The AD meaning anno domino doesn't mean anything. Literal meaning is "the year of our lord" - heretic church which is built upon the lies. The term BC also doesn't mean a lot.
- CE means common era and its used for years that we use today from the what we call 1 year there ware never a 0 year all nations used different calendar you have ancient Greek calendar being called Byzantium calendar based on the Greek city found in 7 century BCE.
- Other nations had there own calendars and they ware passage of years similarly however days and groups of days not always on the same way. The year ware tracked by the seasons passed. The days depends from region to region. There ware agreements around the 1 CE to use the common length of the week. The ancient Greeks already have their month and season months and others usually had their own as people started communicating back then on the Greek language they stared aligning their common terms to understand one another group. There ware borrowings of words from different groups Greeks in Greece and Mediterranean Greeks in nowadays Italy Greeks in the Levant region and others had similar language there ware other tribes like ilyrians who also borrowed from the Greeks writing and had similar words some pronouncing differently and some new words different words. All groups had that.
- BCE means before common era and its same to what other church people call BC.
- So the religion is built upon some of the old writings of ancient Greeks in Egypt so called Coptic civilization and then later reused by different groups. Do not take every church book for granted ever anywhere think for yourself and compare things. People which lived in the area of Levant during the times of the ancient Greeks there ware Greeks before making the nations and moving to Mediterranean islands predecessors there around the 27000 BCE which started moving to islands settled made civilization and some of them stayed around the Levant there ware other groups there also getting around and mixing ones with another however Greeks considered that area as long there are Greek related people there friendly. Greeks waged wars against Mesopotamia - sumer with people from that region waged wars with akadians and also later with Babylonians and with early Iranians. All of those wars ware successful and you can find that in actual history writings.
- So another thing Jewish people are known to add later in newer age some things about some new group of people to be linked to them. that was a way for them to survive and increase the amount of people that are gonna help them if someone attack them. Like with Khazar adding the person from 15 century CE into the descendants of Abraham or Ibrahim as the Arabians would call. One specific thing they have funny script they write right to left and many people doesn't know how to read the Hebrew and Arabian. However if you read carefully you will notice where the additions are made and if you know what ware happening in the region during that period then you can assume what and why they added similarly some Arabic other texts then the Quran are sometimes additionally edited. Markoshiva ( talk) 13:53, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- No, I expect it should be "during the 1st century AD" - see the Roman section below.
Johnbod (
talk)
20:02, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
Reference 1: origin at least 3600 years ago Reference 2: oldest objects date to mid third millennium BC Conclusion: oldest objects, (2500 BC) are therefore 4500 years old, predating reference #1 by nearly 1,000 years. 5,000 years is a conservative and citable estimate. Reference #1, though technically not incorrect, is incongruent with reference #2. A mathematical error. 50.34.136.184 ( talk) 12:34, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
The origins section attributes an origin story of glass to Agricola. Looking at the source material(*), it seems that this is more likely a note from the English translators, and not part of the original work. The quote itself seems to be a direct translation of Pliny the Elder XXXVI. 65. Not sure what to do here, since the quote appears correct, but it looks like it's Pliny via the English translators.
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