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-- Sara Binns ( talk) 00:10, 9 March 2012 (UTC) moved by The Interior (Talk) 02:13, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
This 'talk page' is for discussing the edits or formatting of the main page, and the 'user page' is for actual edits, right? Should we only be using our sandboxes for the moment then, and leave this page until 'going live' on Tuesday? Also, just a reminder: everyone sign all their edits so we know who's saying/asking what! -- Maura D. ( talk) 09:14, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
Let's try to keep our article organized and presentable, making comments and suggestions under this section instead.
Isenberg argues that cultural and ecological interactions between Native Americans and Euroamericans in the Great Plains were responsible for the near-extinction of the bison. Cultural and ecological interactions created new forms of bison hunters: mounted Indian nomads and Euroamerican industrial hideman. These hunters, combined with environmental pressures, nearly extinguished the bison. Isenberg also explains that the introduction of horses facilitated bison hunting and competed with bison for scarce water and forage. Industrialization also played a role, with the expansion railroads, commerical hunting, and the fur trade market.
Isenberg argues that cultural and ecological interactions between Native Americans and Euroamericans in the Great Plains were responsible for the near-extinction of the bison. Cultural and ecological interactions created new forms of bison hunters: mounted Indian nomads and Euroamerican industrial hideman. These hunters, combined with environmental pressures, nearly extinguished the bison. The destruction of the bison was ultimately due to the domestication of the plains environment for human convenience and the unsustainable exploitation of a natural resource for commercial profit. However, the grasslands ecology, horses, smallpox, the fur trade, and gender roles in Indian and Euroamerican societies also played a role. Basically, we need to communicate that the decline of the bison was due to a complex web of intercultural & eco-social relations: grasses, drought, wolves, horses, smallpox, steamboats, railroads, the European conquest of North America, the expansion of the market, industrialization, cultural constructions of gender, habitat degradation, competition from domestic livestock, bovine disease, commercial hunting!
Implications for preservation efforts (Susan) - consider including information from more sources to get the Alberta context, too. Also, Isenburg suggests that nostalgia about the cultural interactions between Aboriginals and Euroamericans in the Great Plains, that first threatened the bison, catalyzed preservation efforts in the early 20th century. -- Sara Binns ( talk) 22:21, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi guys, I have some general concern about the Historical decline of the North American bison population section, specifically Plains/ Wood Bison. After talking with Tina last week after class, we do not need to distinguish the symbolism of each types of bison, but just the population decline in factual terms. From what I see right now, describing the importance and symbolism of the Plains bison doesn't relate to the sub heading "Historical decline of the North American bison population" and my section about the Wood Bison. To write about the symbolism of the bison makes sense if we did not distinguish the two species into different sections--it just doesn't make sense to have two separate sections for "symbolism" for two different species. What do you guys think? If we need to do a symbolism section, we should have it under a new heading or a subheading i.e. "Symbolism of the Bison" under the Historical Decline section, instead of describing it under "Wood Bison" or "Plains Bison". This is what Tina recommended as well- we should keep the information under Wood/Plains bison scientific and statistics-based as we are distinguishing them by species. Let me know what you think.-- Chaereankim ( talk) 19:09, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi Chaerean - I would recommend elaborating on the following information in your section on the ideological development of wildlife conservation. (This is from my summary of Foster's book.)
According to Foster, wildlife preservation was a not a priority for the federal government during the 19th century due to belief in the superabundance of natural resources, the presence of a wilderness frontier, and a political climate the emphasized development and exploitation (4). However, the 20th century saw a dramatic change in national attitudes. Canadian society and government experienced a greater awareness and sense of responsibility that led to the development of a wilderness consciousness and preservation ethic. Wildlife began to be protected as an intrinsically valuable international resource. Foster demonstrates how a small faction of dedicated civil servants transformed their own goals of preserving endangered species into active government policy.
You could begin the section by explaining that the bison was the "iconic species of the North American conservation movement, an animal that symbolized [frontier wilderness and] the disappearing wild" (Loo, 2006, 122).
Also, please change your citations so that they are consistent with the other sections.
-- Sara Binns ( talk) 18:39, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
Hey guys, I've added my section and incorporated Sara's summary into it. If you can please read over it, that'll be great. Also, the original outline called for "Contradictions" under this section, however I decided to go with "Other contributions". Most of the information I have on this section are from Foster's book, however I find Foster's book a bit biased & giving all the credits to the civil servants of Canada without mentioning other factors that led to the ideological development of wildlife conservation in Canada.-- Chaereankim ( talk) 05:15, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
For example, Sara outlined in the introductory section: Federal wildlife policy often had contradictory goals, such as preserving wildlife, promoting recreation, commercializing bison, and asserting state control over Aboriginal people. Bison conservation efforts were shaped by the federal government’s colonialist and modernist agenda for Canada’s north, the management of national parks and reserves, and the influence of scientific knowledge.
Let me know if I'm mistaking anything here!-- Chaereankim ( talk) 05:15, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
-- Sara Binns ( talk) 02:24, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
I am wondering though, should I take out the part about the lumber industry, since this section is about origins of wildlife preservation in Canada in general? I took it out for now. I made the paragraphs in a more chronological flow, thanks for pointing that out. -- Chaereankim ( talk) 20:28, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
I created this section and have quite a bit down. I'm not sure if you guys feel like i'm missing anything, but please take a look and give me some feedback. Also Sara, for the last section I added what you sent me and I wasn't quite sure what I was supposed to write for that section. I was hoping you could help me clarify that section and then I can add more. -- Susan Gill ( talk) 12:28, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi Susan - I agree, your section looks great! Here are some suggestions:
-- Sara Binns ( talk) 02:34, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi Chad, your sections look pretty good so far. Here are some suggestions:
The placement of the park area on poor agricultural land coupled with an overpopulation problem led to the degradation of the range and the spread of disease. Experiments such as crossbreeding with bison and domestic cattle and commercializing the herd were unsuccessful. The Canadian Parks Branch lacked sufficient funding to run the park or to remedy the crises the bison faced. Eventually, the Department of National Defence repurposed the park for military training and the bison disappeared once again.
-- Sara Binns ( talk) 18:30, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
I've added material to this section & would appreciate your feedback. Since I'm basically summarizing Sandlos' argument, I'm not sure how neutral & balanced this section is. Any suggestions? I was hoping Maura could contribute to the "Cultural and ecological interactions between Native Americans and Euroamericans in the Great Plains" subsection & perhaps "Ecological implications for bison populations" to integrate Isenberg's perspective. Also, let me know if you think any of the content is repetitive or belongs under another section. I'm sure the organization of the article will evolve as we work on it! -- Sara Binns ( talk) 23:27, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
I've added some basic material to this section. Feel free to contribute any specific dates, details, or themes you picked up from the relevant sources. -- Sara Binns ( talk) 03:35, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi guys, I added this section since I thought it was important to mention the roles of the commercial bison industry in conservation efforts today. If you have any problems with it, please let me know and we can change it. -- Chaereankim ( talk) 04:48, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
I've created a lead section that introduces & summarizes the article. -- Sara Binns ( talk) 03:35, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Hey folks, looks like you've written the lead section I asked for, much obliged. I think the article has progressed to the point where it can be moved. Is everyone comfortable with this? The Interior (Talk) 04:07, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi team, I've noticed that a lot of our sections begin with the sentence "according to Foster, Sandlos...etc". Should we be talking in this way, since most of the wikipedia audience probably don't know who Foster/ Sandlos/ other authors are? If we do choose to begin our sentence with the authors' names, should we explain who they are?-- Chaereankim ( talk) 05:54, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
Should we add any photographs or maps from the sources we are using? -- Sara Binns ( talk) 23:29, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
Is there a way to check our word count on Wikipedia?-- Sara Binns ( talk) 23:29, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
I'm wondering if there is a better way to display our references -- I looked at the Wiki page for citing sources and found this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources#Short_citations, which seems cleaner and simpler than to have a full entry for each separate page. What do you guys think? -- Maura D. ( talk) 23:43, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
Here are a few things we can all contribute to:
-- Sara Binns ( talk) 02:48, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
Did anybody find pictures of Wood/ Plains bison on the commons? I've uploaded a random picture of a bison but couldn't find specific examples of wood/ plains bison-- Chaereankim ( talk) 22:38, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi, I did a word count on our article and the length is currently 4,270 words! On our syllabus it is outlined the final article should be 2500~3000 words long, excluding the references. Should we work on cutting down some information, or ask Tina if we can leave it as iis?-- Chaereankim ( talk) 22:09, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
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-- Sara Binns ( talk) 00:10, 9 March 2012 (UTC) moved by The Interior (Talk) 02:13, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
This 'talk page' is for discussing the edits or formatting of the main page, and the 'user page' is for actual edits, right? Should we only be using our sandboxes for the moment then, and leave this page until 'going live' on Tuesday? Also, just a reminder: everyone sign all their edits so we know who's saying/asking what! -- Maura D. ( talk) 09:14, 11 March 2012 (UTC)
Let's try to keep our article organized and presentable, making comments and suggestions under this section instead.
Isenberg argues that cultural and ecological interactions between Native Americans and Euroamericans in the Great Plains were responsible for the near-extinction of the bison. Cultural and ecological interactions created new forms of bison hunters: mounted Indian nomads and Euroamerican industrial hideman. These hunters, combined with environmental pressures, nearly extinguished the bison. Isenberg also explains that the introduction of horses facilitated bison hunting and competed with bison for scarce water and forage. Industrialization also played a role, with the expansion railroads, commerical hunting, and the fur trade market.
Isenberg argues that cultural and ecological interactions between Native Americans and Euroamericans in the Great Plains were responsible for the near-extinction of the bison. Cultural and ecological interactions created new forms of bison hunters: mounted Indian nomads and Euroamerican industrial hideman. These hunters, combined with environmental pressures, nearly extinguished the bison. The destruction of the bison was ultimately due to the domestication of the plains environment for human convenience and the unsustainable exploitation of a natural resource for commercial profit. However, the grasslands ecology, horses, smallpox, the fur trade, and gender roles in Indian and Euroamerican societies also played a role. Basically, we need to communicate that the decline of the bison was due to a complex web of intercultural & eco-social relations: grasses, drought, wolves, horses, smallpox, steamboats, railroads, the European conquest of North America, the expansion of the market, industrialization, cultural constructions of gender, habitat degradation, competition from domestic livestock, bovine disease, commercial hunting!
Implications for preservation efforts (Susan) - consider including information from more sources to get the Alberta context, too. Also, Isenburg suggests that nostalgia about the cultural interactions between Aboriginals and Euroamericans in the Great Plains, that first threatened the bison, catalyzed preservation efforts in the early 20th century. -- Sara Binns ( talk) 22:21, 12 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi guys, I have some general concern about the Historical decline of the North American bison population section, specifically Plains/ Wood Bison. After talking with Tina last week after class, we do not need to distinguish the symbolism of each types of bison, but just the population decline in factual terms. From what I see right now, describing the importance and symbolism of the Plains bison doesn't relate to the sub heading "Historical decline of the North American bison population" and my section about the Wood Bison. To write about the symbolism of the bison makes sense if we did not distinguish the two species into different sections--it just doesn't make sense to have two separate sections for "symbolism" for two different species. What do you guys think? If we need to do a symbolism section, we should have it under a new heading or a subheading i.e. "Symbolism of the Bison" under the Historical Decline section, instead of describing it under "Wood Bison" or "Plains Bison". This is what Tina recommended as well- we should keep the information under Wood/Plains bison scientific and statistics-based as we are distinguishing them by species. Let me know what you think.-- Chaereankim ( talk) 19:09, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi Chaerean - I would recommend elaborating on the following information in your section on the ideological development of wildlife conservation. (This is from my summary of Foster's book.)
According to Foster, wildlife preservation was a not a priority for the federal government during the 19th century due to belief in the superabundance of natural resources, the presence of a wilderness frontier, and a political climate the emphasized development and exploitation (4). However, the 20th century saw a dramatic change in national attitudes. Canadian society and government experienced a greater awareness and sense of responsibility that led to the development of a wilderness consciousness and preservation ethic. Wildlife began to be protected as an intrinsically valuable international resource. Foster demonstrates how a small faction of dedicated civil servants transformed their own goals of preserving endangered species into active government policy.
You could begin the section by explaining that the bison was the "iconic species of the North American conservation movement, an animal that symbolized [frontier wilderness and] the disappearing wild" (Loo, 2006, 122).
Also, please change your citations so that they are consistent with the other sections.
-- Sara Binns ( talk) 18:39, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
Hey guys, I've added my section and incorporated Sara's summary into it. If you can please read over it, that'll be great. Also, the original outline called for "Contradictions" under this section, however I decided to go with "Other contributions". Most of the information I have on this section are from Foster's book, however I find Foster's book a bit biased & giving all the credits to the civil servants of Canada without mentioning other factors that led to the ideological development of wildlife conservation in Canada.-- Chaereankim ( talk) 05:15, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
For example, Sara outlined in the introductory section: Federal wildlife policy often had contradictory goals, such as preserving wildlife, promoting recreation, commercializing bison, and asserting state control over Aboriginal people. Bison conservation efforts were shaped by the federal government’s colonialist and modernist agenda for Canada’s north, the management of national parks and reserves, and the influence of scientific knowledge.
Let me know if I'm mistaking anything here!-- Chaereankim ( talk) 05:15, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
-- Sara Binns ( talk) 02:24, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
I am wondering though, should I take out the part about the lumber industry, since this section is about origins of wildlife preservation in Canada in general? I took it out for now. I made the paragraphs in a more chronological flow, thanks for pointing that out. -- Chaereankim ( talk) 20:28, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
I created this section and have quite a bit down. I'm not sure if you guys feel like i'm missing anything, but please take a look and give me some feedback. Also Sara, for the last section I added what you sent me and I wasn't quite sure what I was supposed to write for that section. I was hoping you could help me clarify that section and then I can add more. -- Susan Gill ( talk) 12:28, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi Susan - I agree, your section looks great! Here are some suggestions:
-- Sara Binns ( talk) 02:34, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi Chad, your sections look pretty good so far. Here are some suggestions:
The placement of the park area on poor agricultural land coupled with an overpopulation problem led to the degradation of the range and the spread of disease. Experiments such as crossbreeding with bison and domestic cattle and commercializing the herd were unsuccessful. The Canadian Parks Branch lacked sufficient funding to run the park or to remedy the crises the bison faced. Eventually, the Department of National Defence repurposed the park for military training and the bison disappeared once again.
-- Sara Binns ( talk) 18:30, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
I've added material to this section & would appreciate your feedback. Since I'm basically summarizing Sandlos' argument, I'm not sure how neutral & balanced this section is. Any suggestions? I was hoping Maura could contribute to the "Cultural and ecological interactions between Native Americans and Euroamericans in the Great Plains" subsection & perhaps "Ecological implications for bison populations" to integrate Isenberg's perspective. Also, let me know if you think any of the content is repetitive or belongs under another section. I'm sure the organization of the article will evolve as we work on it! -- Sara Binns ( talk) 23:27, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
I've added some basic material to this section. Feel free to contribute any specific dates, details, or themes you picked up from the relevant sources. -- Sara Binns ( talk) 03:35, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi guys, I added this section since I thought it was important to mention the roles of the commercial bison industry in conservation efforts today. If you have any problems with it, please let me know and we can change it. -- Chaereankim ( talk) 04:48, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
I've created a lead section that introduces & summarizes the article. -- Sara Binns ( talk) 03:35, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Hey folks, looks like you've written the lead section I asked for, much obliged. I think the article has progressed to the point where it can be moved. Is everyone comfortable with this? The Interior (Talk) 04:07, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
Hi team, I've noticed that a lot of our sections begin with the sentence "according to Foster, Sandlos...etc". Should we be talking in this way, since most of the wikipedia audience probably don't know who Foster/ Sandlos/ other authors are? If we do choose to begin our sentence with the authors' names, should we explain who they are?-- Chaereankim ( talk) 05:54, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
Should we add any photographs or maps from the sources we are using? -- Sara Binns ( talk) 23:29, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
Is there a way to check our word count on Wikipedia?-- Sara Binns ( talk) 23:29, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
I'm wondering if there is a better way to display our references -- I looked at the Wiki page for citing sources and found this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citing_sources#Short_citations, which seems cleaner and simpler than to have a full entry for each separate page. What do you guys think? -- Maura D. ( talk) 23:43, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
Here are a few things we can all contribute to:
-- Sara Binns ( talk) 02:48, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
Did anybody find pictures of Wood/ Plains bison on the commons? I've uploaded a random picture of a bison but couldn't find specific examples of wood/ plains bison-- Chaereankim ( talk) 22:38, 3 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi, I did a word count on our article and the length is currently 4,270 words! On our syllabus it is outlined the final article should be 2500~3000 words long, excluding the references. Should we work on cutting down some information, or ask Tina if we can leave it as iis?-- Chaereankim ( talk) 22:09, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
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