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It seems unlikely that Stamp's Mill began operations in 1865 at Brockton Point. We need a citation from an authoritative source about when and where the mill operations actually began. Nesbit ( talk) 01:42, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Whuh? Obviously the "timing of permanent settlement" woujldn't include temporary digs on Brockton Point, and this has nothing to do with the devleopment off "early urban infrastructure". There's a case to be made, that other than the mill manager, there were no permanent residents at Hastings Mill (the Dunlevy site, not Brockton); it was a company town, inherently impermanent, as were its workers. What began urban infrastructure was the land-survey of the lot next to teh mill property that became Granville, B.I. aka Gastown, and it can be dated right down to September 1, 1867, which is when Gassy Jack wset up a plank and a couple of barrels and got the mill employees drunk. As re the mill machinery, I don't know if any source, other than maybe Matthews (which is grotesquely un-indexed), has anything about whether or not it was unloaded/assembled at Brockton Point, although as mentioned some fairly precise dates are mentioned somewhere; it may be taht the instability of docked ships prevented the unloading of equipment; my reading of the sources gave me t he impression that ships couldn't dock to pick up milled timber, suggesting that the mill was already in operation. I suggest yhou find the Olga Ruskin book mentioned, it had a lot more Gastown-specific detail; the book on Capt. Stamp that's around these days also should have something more..... Skookum1 ( talk) 18:09, 1 April 2008 (UTC) Still, June '67 to Sept '67, by which time the mill had been already at Dunlevy for a while....hmmm. It may be only that they figured out the reef/currents would be counterproductive before the machinery arrived...but if the Brockton Point "experimental site" was attempted in July, that would be after the equipment arrived. Check the Olga Ruskin book, maybe the Morley which is easieer to find (I'm in Halifax, they're not possible to find here at all). Skookum1 ( talk) 18:17, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
By accident, while looking up the Palomar Theatre (713 Burrard, at Alberni, now gone but in its day very famous) re a mention in the Yvonne de Carlo article, I found http://vancouverhistory.ca which appears to be built by the Vancouver Historical Association and is chock full of content of all kinds.... Skookum1 ( talk) 00:21, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
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Hey everyone, let’s talk about changing the first paragraphs of Indigenous habitation in Vancouver, on the west coast of North America, from the Paleolithic Period.
It is now becoming accepted in both academic- and scientific-archeological communities that the 8,000 to 10,000 years ago, or also known as the “Clovis First theory,” is no longer valid — and is being replaced with a much, much older reality due to finds of remains dating back many tens of thousands of years in many different regions around North America.
Dr. Paulette Steeves is the research expert in this field, and continues to teach and lecture on this subject but the predominantly “white supremist culture” amongst professionals and influencers, ranging from business through to scientific communities, do not want to listen or change their minds at all.
The book by Dr. Steeves tells the story, and while reading a book in order to validate and quote a few lines in this historical article may seem like a lot… well, it is a lot.
And, I do not want to be the one doing the reading and quoting — I would like to start the conversation and let it sit and gain at least some positive reinforcement and momentum before proceeding. Of course.
Thanks for your attention and consideration. Love. HiTrish ( talk) 16:40, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
Following are links to Dr. Paulette Steeves’ work:
Quote by Dr. Paulette Steeves, during an interview in 2022 (link above):
“There are myths we are told growing up — be it via schooling, popular media, or elsewhere — that people have lived in the Western Hemisphere for only 10-12,000 years, at most.
“This is the Clovis First theory.
“In archeology in particular, this framework, that the peopling of the North and South American continents could only have occurred that recently, is treated as dogma.
“In comparison to the astounding discoveries made by archeologists on other continents — pushing back human and protohominid migration, settlement, and cultural development hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of years into the past — why is it that this story has persisted in this field for so long?” -Dr. Paulette Steeves HiTrish ( talk) 16:39, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
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It seems unlikely that Stamp's Mill began operations in 1865 at Brockton Point. We need a citation from an authoritative source about when and where the mill operations actually began. Nesbit ( talk) 01:42, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Whuh? Obviously the "timing of permanent settlement" woujldn't include temporary digs on Brockton Point, and this has nothing to do with the devleopment off "early urban infrastructure". There's a case to be made, that other than the mill manager, there were no permanent residents at Hastings Mill (the Dunlevy site, not Brockton); it was a company town, inherently impermanent, as were its workers. What began urban infrastructure was the land-survey of the lot next to teh mill property that became Granville, B.I. aka Gastown, and it can be dated right down to September 1, 1867, which is when Gassy Jack wset up a plank and a couple of barrels and got the mill employees drunk. As re the mill machinery, I don't know if any source, other than maybe Matthews (which is grotesquely un-indexed), has anything about whether or not it was unloaded/assembled at Brockton Point, although as mentioned some fairly precise dates are mentioned somewhere; it may be taht the instability of docked ships prevented the unloading of equipment; my reading of the sources gave me t he impression that ships couldn't dock to pick up milled timber, suggesting that the mill was already in operation. I suggest yhou find the Olga Ruskin book mentioned, it had a lot more Gastown-specific detail; the book on Capt. Stamp that's around these days also should have something more..... Skookum1 ( talk) 18:09, 1 April 2008 (UTC) Still, June '67 to Sept '67, by which time the mill had been already at Dunlevy for a while....hmmm. It may be only that they figured out the reef/currents would be counterproductive before the machinery arrived...but if the Brockton Point "experimental site" was attempted in July, that would be after the equipment arrived. Check the Olga Ruskin book, maybe the Morley which is easieer to find (I'm in Halifax, they're not possible to find here at all). Skookum1 ( talk) 18:17, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
By accident, while looking up the Palomar Theatre (713 Burrard, at Alberni, now gone but in its day very famous) re a mention in the Yvonne de Carlo article, I found http://vancouverhistory.ca which appears to be built by the Vancouver Historical Association and is chock full of content of all kinds.... Skookum1 ( talk) 00:21, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
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Hey everyone, let’s talk about changing the first paragraphs of Indigenous habitation in Vancouver, on the west coast of North America, from the Paleolithic Period.
It is now becoming accepted in both academic- and scientific-archeological communities that the 8,000 to 10,000 years ago, or also known as the “Clovis First theory,” is no longer valid — and is being replaced with a much, much older reality due to finds of remains dating back many tens of thousands of years in many different regions around North America.
Dr. Paulette Steeves is the research expert in this field, and continues to teach and lecture on this subject but the predominantly “white supremist culture” amongst professionals and influencers, ranging from business through to scientific communities, do not want to listen or change their minds at all.
The book by Dr. Steeves tells the story, and while reading a book in order to validate and quote a few lines in this historical article may seem like a lot… well, it is a lot.
And, I do not want to be the one doing the reading and quoting — I would like to start the conversation and let it sit and gain at least some positive reinforcement and momentum before proceeding. Of course.
Thanks for your attention and consideration. Love. HiTrish ( talk) 16:40, 3 March 2023 (UTC)
Following are links to Dr. Paulette Steeves’ work:
Quote by Dr. Paulette Steeves, during an interview in 2022 (link above):
“There are myths we are told growing up — be it via schooling, popular media, or elsewhere — that people have lived in the Western Hemisphere for only 10-12,000 years, at most.
“This is the Clovis First theory.
“In archeology in particular, this framework, that the peopling of the North and South American continents could only have occurred that recently, is treated as dogma.
“In comparison to the astounding discoveries made by archeologists on other continents — pushing back human and protohominid migration, settlement, and cultural development hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of years into the past — why is it that this story has persisted in this field for so long?” -Dr. Paulette Steeves HiTrish ( talk) 16:39, 3 March 2023 (UTC)