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I am concerned about the quality of this article, especially the organization. I came here looking for information about when/how Florida became a US State and in the "statehood" section I found interesting information, little of which was related to statehood. It mostly discusses the Seminoles and slaves.
This sentence was a particularly disturbing example of the content unrelated to Florida's statehood: "In Florida all the peoples created a new creole culture." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.70.54.152 ( talk) 02:31, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
Should West Florida be merged into this article? It would make it more clear that the southern part of the US (1650 - 1800) belonged to Spain from the Atlantic to the Pacific. Nitpyck ( talk) 21:00, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
I always thought Florida was the last frontier, at least in the 48 states, with cowboys (cow hunters). If this [1] is right, cattle are a vital part of Florida's economy but aren't mentioned in the article, either as a current part of the eocnomy or as a vital part of Florida's history.Cow whips instead of lariats, 'catch dogs', etc. Dougweller ( talk) 16:42, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
this article gives scant to no information on the economic forces that have affected florida history--transportation, railroads, canals and roads, or the industries such as agriculture, mining and tourism--overall very weak on any historic overview other than race relations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.178.146.130 ( talk) 15:05, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
A fragment reads
"In the elections of 1867 for the constitutional convention, Southern whites tried to kill it by refraining from voting: of the total votes of 14,503, all but 1,220 votes were cast by African Americans. The freedmen did not have representation equal to their proportion of the population."
I didn't want to change it since it just may be me that finds this confusing.
This may be a summary of another article. I think we need to say that a constitutional convention was required to (what?) rewrite the constitution with rights for blacks? How can you kill a convention by not voting for representatives to it? Looks bad, but so what. All you need is one person voting, so the logic does not seem to make any sense. It explains that there were 14,503 votes. I assume the electorate was a lot larger? It seems to me that the white minority was stupid, had they turned out in droves, they could have influenced the election tremendously. Probably certain delegates were banned by the military governor? Who cares (so what?) that the freedmen did not have representation equal to their proportion of the population? It appears the reforms, such as they were, passed. Right? Student7 ( talk) 04:14, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
Although the Moores were killed in nearby Titusville just 3 years earlier in 1951, in Cocoa Beach, the attorney warned the city council that blacks would probably appear on the beaches that year. If they did so (he suggested), the only alternative was to clear the beaches of everyone, white and black. The odd thing, to me, is there is no talk of arresting for trespass or "disturbing the peace" or anything. So something had happened to the Jim Crow laws in the 40s or 50s to prevent enforcement of these laws in Florida. My guess is a Florida Court or US District Court, most likely in Miami, had found the laws to be unenforceable. Whatever happened, needs to be mentioned. There is a lot of glossing over segregation and its termination in articles on the South. This needs to be remedied. It was part of the "Old South." Hard for young people nowdays to understand the extent of it. Student7 ( talk) 18:57, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
I've removed the inaccurate map File:East_and_West_Florida_1810.jpg, which has been here too long. We do need an accurate map or maps of East Florida and West Florida, but this one has the boundary wrong. Cúchullain t/ c 15:46, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
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I don't know that I would want it in both places, but we seem to be missing the pre-historic record of past eras in both this article and Geography of Florida (which might include a history of the geography. Needs to be someplace. Student7 ( talk) 19:38, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
The tsunami that struck Florida when Lisbon was wiped out, was real. The bad news is that there was no one left to "record" it as the natives close to shore were drowned. And they didn't write anyway. Just another contribution to "flood myths", oral, in this case. It needs to be in the article someplace. Geologic history?
This is pretty much like the last two tsunamis in the Pacific. If a tidal wave hits x with a y-foot wave, then the tidal wave will hit z with a n-foot wave. Science, not conjecture.
A well-meaning editor, thinking that it was mere conjecture rm it. We need to discuss it, rather. I've commented it back in until we decide where it goes.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Student7 ( talk • contribs)
The maps surely prove that someone at least sailed around the peninsula before PdL landed. We may never know whether someone landed or not--but I think the early maps should be mentioned. G. Blaine ( talk) 00:14, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
G. Blaine ( talk) 19:44, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
http://www.broward.org/library/bienes/lii14004.htm
This discusses the maps. Seems to mostly say they show Florida---but at end does give the counter-opinion. This looks like it is worth referencing in Wikipedia ---mentioning pro and con [I am not even an amateur historian—I will leave the decision to others.] G. Blaine ( talk) 21:35, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
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More than 6,000 bytes were added in one edit to the Native Americans section in September of last year. The material is, based on my extensive reading on Florida history prior to the first contact with Europeans and during the first Spanish period, ridiculous suspect. It is filled with what appear to be citations, but which do not link to any source. I have asked the editor who added the material for more information on the sources they used. -
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--To the above writer: Sorry. I wasn't ignoring anyone. I do not have my own internet access and usually only go online once or twice a week.
As to what I wrote, I have been going through an ongoing process of editing the native american based info of states, many of which had been remarkably outdated before I got to it. For instance, in my own state, most historians barely seem to know any of our states history & the pages wiki pages showed. I have been learning as I go and it has been difficult from my limited resources, so I apologize for the fact that repeated edits over long periods of time occasionally produced long winded and confusing articles. Looking over what it has been changed to, I am fine with what is there. It's certainly better organized than what I had. That being said, I believe at the time I had done this, someone had edited wiki resources connected to the Jeaga & Tequesta, claiming that they were subtribes of the Calusa. That point still exists on the Tequesta page. As to the info regarding the quote-unquote Muspa Seminole, that came from a free 2006 e-book I recently discovered entitled, "Encyclopedia of Native American Tribes: Third Edition" by Carl Waldman, in it's section regarding the Calusa. I would hope that he did the correct research there, although I have found minor instances throughout the book that may be incorrect or outdated by today's standards. Bobbotronica ( talk) 19:32, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
I just reverted an edit that claimed that the Spanish did not allow slavery in Florida in the 1700s. Slavery did exist in Spanish Florida. The Spanish crown had forbidden the enslavement of Indians, although one governor enslaved a band that had rebelled against the Spanish. He had to release those people a couple of years later on orders from the crown. The Spanish in Florida also had a policy of letting people who had escaped to Florida from slavery in English/British colonies to live free if the escapees professed or were converted to Catholicism. I am unaware of any reliable source that says slavery was forbidden in Spanish Florida Donald Albury 16:10, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
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I am concerned about the quality of this article, especially the organization. I came here looking for information about when/how Florida became a US State and in the "statehood" section I found interesting information, little of which was related to statehood. It mostly discusses the Seminoles and slaves.
This sentence was a particularly disturbing example of the content unrelated to Florida's statehood: "In Florida all the peoples created a new creole culture." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.70.54.152 ( talk) 02:31, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
Should West Florida be merged into this article? It would make it more clear that the southern part of the US (1650 - 1800) belonged to Spain from the Atlantic to the Pacific. Nitpyck ( talk) 21:00, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
I always thought Florida was the last frontier, at least in the 48 states, with cowboys (cow hunters). If this [1] is right, cattle are a vital part of Florida's economy but aren't mentioned in the article, either as a current part of the eocnomy or as a vital part of Florida's history.Cow whips instead of lariats, 'catch dogs', etc. Dougweller ( talk) 16:42, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
this article gives scant to no information on the economic forces that have affected florida history--transportation, railroads, canals and roads, or the industries such as agriculture, mining and tourism--overall very weak on any historic overview other than race relations. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.178.146.130 ( talk) 15:05, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
A fragment reads
"In the elections of 1867 for the constitutional convention, Southern whites tried to kill it by refraining from voting: of the total votes of 14,503, all but 1,220 votes were cast by African Americans. The freedmen did not have representation equal to their proportion of the population."
I didn't want to change it since it just may be me that finds this confusing.
This may be a summary of another article. I think we need to say that a constitutional convention was required to (what?) rewrite the constitution with rights for blacks? How can you kill a convention by not voting for representatives to it? Looks bad, but so what. All you need is one person voting, so the logic does not seem to make any sense. It explains that there were 14,503 votes. I assume the electorate was a lot larger? It seems to me that the white minority was stupid, had they turned out in droves, they could have influenced the election tremendously. Probably certain delegates were banned by the military governor? Who cares (so what?) that the freedmen did not have representation equal to their proportion of the population? It appears the reforms, such as they were, passed. Right? Student7 ( talk) 04:14, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
Although the Moores were killed in nearby Titusville just 3 years earlier in 1951, in Cocoa Beach, the attorney warned the city council that blacks would probably appear on the beaches that year. If they did so (he suggested), the only alternative was to clear the beaches of everyone, white and black. The odd thing, to me, is there is no talk of arresting for trespass or "disturbing the peace" or anything. So something had happened to the Jim Crow laws in the 40s or 50s to prevent enforcement of these laws in Florida. My guess is a Florida Court or US District Court, most likely in Miami, had found the laws to be unenforceable. Whatever happened, needs to be mentioned. There is a lot of glossing over segregation and its termination in articles on the South. This needs to be remedied. It was part of the "Old South." Hard for young people nowdays to understand the extent of it. Student7 ( talk) 18:57, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
I've removed the inaccurate map File:East_and_West_Florida_1810.jpg, which has been here too long. We do need an accurate map or maps of East Florida and West Florida, but this one has the boundary wrong. Cúchullain t/ c 15:46, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
I'd like to invite fellow Wikipedians interested in Florida history to join in our new project page for celebrating our state's 500th anniversay at Viva_Florida_500 Please review and join in getting this project off the ground. It's more than just about Ponce de Leon and his landing it is also about other cultures and what new content we can bring into Wiki such as adding new information about the Native Cultures that were here when this period of discovery began.-- Ourhistory153 ( talk) 14:33, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
I don't know that I would want it in both places, but we seem to be missing the pre-historic record of past eras in both this article and Geography of Florida (which might include a history of the geography. Needs to be someplace. Student7 ( talk) 19:38, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
The tsunami that struck Florida when Lisbon was wiped out, was real. The bad news is that there was no one left to "record" it as the natives close to shore were drowned. And they didn't write anyway. Just another contribution to "flood myths", oral, in this case. It needs to be in the article someplace. Geologic history?
This is pretty much like the last two tsunamis in the Pacific. If a tidal wave hits x with a y-foot wave, then the tidal wave will hit z with a n-foot wave. Science, not conjecture.
A well-meaning editor, thinking that it was mere conjecture rm it. We need to discuss it, rather. I've commented it back in until we decide where it goes.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Student7 ( talk • contribs)
The maps surely prove that someone at least sailed around the peninsula before PdL landed. We may never know whether someone landed or not--but I think the early maps should be mentioned. G. Blaine ( talk) 00:14, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
G. Blaine ( talk) 19:44, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
http://www.broward.org/library/bienes/lii14004.htm
This discusses the maps. Seems to mostly say they show Florida---but at end does give the counter-opinion. This looks like it is worth referencing in Wikipedia ---mentioning pro and con [I am not even an amateur historian—I will leave the decision to others.] G. Blaine ( talk) 21:35, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
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More than 6,000 bytes were added in one edit to the Native Americans section in September of last year. The material is, based on my extensive reading on Florida history prior to the first contact with Europeans and during the first Spanish period, ridiculous suspect. It is filled with what appear to be citations, but which do not link to any source. I have asked the editor who added the material for more information on the sources they used. -
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--To the above writer: Sorry. I wasn't ignoring anyone. I do not have my own internet access and usually only go online once or twice a week.
As to what I wrote, I have been going through an ongoing process of editing the native american based info of states, many of which had been remarkably outdated before I got to it. For instance, in my own state, most historians barely seem to know any of our states history & the pages wiki pages showed. I have been learning as I go and it has been difficult from my limited resources, so I apologize for the fact that repeated edits over long periods of time occasionally produced long winded and confusing articles. Looking over what it has been changed to, I am fine with what is there. It's certainly better organized than what I had. That being said, I believe at the time I had done this, someone had edited wiki resources connected to the Jeaga & Tequesta, claiming that they were subtribes of the Calusa. That point still exists on the Tequesta page. As to the info regarding the quote-unquote Muspa Seminole, that came from a free 2006 e-book I recently discovered entitled, "Encyclopedia of Native American Tribes: Third Edition" by Carl Waldman, in it's section regarding the Calusa. I would hope that he did the correct research there, although I have found minor instances throughout the book that may be incorrect or outdated by today's standards. Bobbotronica ( talk) 19:32, 27 June 2018 (UTC)
I just reverted an edit that claimed that the Spanish did not allow slavery in Florida in the 1700s. Slavery did exist in Spanish Florida. The Spanish crown had forbidden the enslavement of Indians, although one governor enslaved a band that had rebelled against the Spanish. He had to release those people a couple of years later on orders from the crown. The Spanish in Florida also had a policy of letting people who had escaped to Florida from slavery in English/British colonies to live free if the escapees professed or were converted to Catholicism. I am unaware of any reliable source that says slavery was forbidden in Spanish Florida Donald Albury 16:10, 15 September 2023 (UTC)