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This entry has been confusing people about the origin of the "City of Champions" slogan for nearly a decade, leading to the perpetuation of a canard in newspapers, and my attempt to revise the entry has been reversed with a comment about "well-documented sources", which, I am afraid, means "journalists who chose the wrong moment to trust Wikipedia". It is fairly simple to document local use of "City of Champions" pre-dating the 1986 tornado. Here's a Regina Leader-Post columnist in November 1984 observing that "Edmonton... has taken to calling itself the City of Champions": [1] And here is Oilers hockey player Dave Lumley crowing ""We're the City of Champions and the Oil Capital of Alberta" immediately after the 1986 Stanley Cup: [2] The current revision of the article handles this issue acceptably but it may be useful to leave these citations here to prevent further propagation of ambiguous language. Cosh ( talk) 14:02, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
It has been claimed "instead of replying on the Talk page, (I've) now added (my) tendentious argument to the main body of the entry" yet anyone who knows how to check editor contribution histories and compare the timing of my nearly concurrent article and talk page edits with the timing of the dissenting editor's subsequent talk page comments will see right through that.
My recent revisions are a balanced regurgitation of a balanced source that briefly documents the history of the nickname. Meters agrees they are balanced. Could the source be more complete? Sure. At the end of the day, the source is still a brief historical summary and is certainly silent on why City of Champions was used in 1984 to help market the city, and not some other nickname that could have done the same. The 1984 Regina newspaper article appears to fill in this gap, though we need to tread carefully to avoid WP:SYNTH. One thing that is clear however is we have no evidence yet that it was used before 1984.
Good news is Councillor Caterina has a notice of motion on the floor to debate bringing back the nickname, and so with it hopefully will the history of the nickname resurface in a more detailed manner to help fill the gaps in the current source. What we as watchers and editors of this page need to be mindful of is the movement to bring the nickname back now has legs. Fifteen billboards were unveiled across the city today (according to the news on 630CHED) advocating for the nickname's return. With ongoing media coverage and advocacy afoot right now, we could soon be seeing increased activity here and on other articles promoting certain positions, whether for or against. We need to make sure there is no WP:PROMOTION that advocates either side of the argument beyond the current neutral and balanced state. Hwy43 ( talk) 05:19, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
May I suggest a brief cooling off period on this? I have confidence that this will resolve itself soon. If more detailed information is not included in the forthcoming May 30 council meeting agenda package, council debate on the item will likely ask city administration for a report to be prepared on the history of the nickname for return to a future council meeting. I sure hope they simply don't dust off the old report that we have already and copy it verbatim, or we are no further ahead. In the meantime, here is why the 1987 Grey Cup is important.
"Its use was popularized in 1987, when Mayor Lawrence Decore used it to describe Edmonton’s response to the tornado. Edmonton Sun columnist Terry Jones also used it in 1987, when the Edmonton Eskimos and Edmonton Oilers both won championships."
Here is the chronology of important dates in 1987 relevant to the above quote from the current referenced city report.
Based on the quote from the reference, if Terry Jones truly did use it in 1987 when both teams won their championships, then he could have only done so between November 29 and December 31 inclusive, which by all means is after the tornado and therefore after Decore usage of the nickname in a different context popularized the nickname. I am not disputing it could have been used in 1984 through to before the tornado in the sporting context, as the two references supplied by Cosh thus far suggest, we just need that reliable explicit source to confirm so. As mentioned, there is a good chance this will be confirmed over the course of playing out this current city council debate. Hwy43 ( talk) 00:49, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
"That Administration prepare a report outlining options for the return of the “City of Champions” slogan to welcome signs and the promotion of the slogan as a way to recognise volunteers, including those who rallied to help out after a tornado killed 27 people in 1987, and return to Committee."
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The article doesn't mention the origin of Edmonton's name although it includes a reference to http://edmontonlocal.ca/edmonton-101/how-did-edmonton-city-get-its-name which has "Some accounts also speak of how a William Tomison chose the site for the first outpost on the north bank of the river and named the town after a member of the Committee of HBC or the place where that committee-member resides.".
/info/en/?search=Edmonton#History has "The fort's name was chosen by William Tomison, who was in charge of its construction, for Edmonton, Middlesex, England, home town of the Lake family – at least five of whom were influential members of the HBC between 1696-1807" based on http://wayback.archive-it.org/2217/20101208175137/http://www.albertasource.ca/metis/eng/people_and_communities/historic_fort_edmonton.htm.
/info/en/?search=Fort_Edmonton#First_Fort_Edmonton_(1794%E2%80%931802) has "Edmonton House, and the subsequent forts, was named by John Peter Pruden, clerk to the HBC's George Sutherland. The Fort was named after Edmonton, Middlesex, England, birthplace of both Pruden and HBC Deputy Governor Sir James Winter Lake." based on Builders of the West by Frederick William Howay (Ryerson, 1929).
According to Fort de Prairies: The Story of Fort Edmonton by Brock Silversides (Heritage House Publishing, 2005) p.2 "It was named Edmonton House after the village of the same name that is now a suburb of London, England, but it is still uncertain as to why." https://books.google.co.il/books?id=ley-LL3RiIMC&pg=PA2&dq=%22It+was+named+Edmonton+House%22%22village%22%22same+name%22%22London,+England%22%22still+uncertain+as+to+why.+%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiylJjUoafpAhVECewKHaPDB20Q6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=%22It%20was%20named%20Edmonton%20House%22%22village%22%22same%20name%22%22London%2C%20England%22%22still%20uncertain%20as%20to%20why.%20%22&f=false Mcljlm ( talk) 18:15, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
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@ TheImaCow : Regarding the photo you added. I don't think this is Edmonton. I can't reconcile it to any of the streets and railway networks that existed in Edmonton in the 1920s. Is it maybe Edmonton, Kentucky? Indefatigable ( talk) 22:44, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
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This entry has been confusing people about the origin of the "City of Champions" slogan for nearly a decade, leading to the perpetuation of a canard in newspapers, and my attempt to revise the entry has been reversed with a comment about "well-documented sources", which, I am afraid, means "journalists who chose the wrong moment to trust Wikipedia". It is fairly simple to document local use of "City of Champions" pre-dating the 1986 tornado. Here's a Regina Leader-Post columnist in November 1984 observing that "Edmonton... has taken to calling itself the City of Champions": [1] And here is Oilers hockey player Dave Lumley crowing ""We're the City of Champions and the Oil Capital of Alberta" immediately after the 1986 Stanley Cup: [2] The current revision of the article handles this issue acceptably but it may be useful to leave these citations here to prevent further propagation of ambiguous language. Cosh ( talk) 14:02, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
It has been claimed "instead of replying on the Talk page, (I've) now added (my) tendentious argument to the main body of the entry" yet anyone who knows how to check editor contribution histories and compare the timing of my nearly concurrent article and talk page edits with the timing of the dissenting editor's subsequent talk page comments will see right through that.
My recent revisions are a balanced regurgitation of a balanced source that briefly documents the history of the nickname. Meters agrees they are balanced. Could the source be more complete? Sure. At the end of the day, the source is still a brief historical summary and is certainly silent on why City of Champions was used in 1984 to help market the city, and not some other nickname that could have done the same. The 1984 Regina newspaper article appears to fill in this gap, though we need to tread carefully to avoid WP:SYNTH. One thing that is clear however is we have no evidence yet that it was used before 1984.
Good news is Councillor Caterina has a notice of motion on the floor to debate bringing back the nickname, and so with it hopefully will the history of the nickname resurface in a more detailed manner to help fill the gaps in the current source. What we as watchers and editors of this page need to be mindful of is the movement to bring the nickname back now has legs. Fifteen billboards were unveiled across the city today (according to the news on 630CHED) advocating for the nickname's return. With ongoing media coverage and advocacy afoot right now, we could soon be seeing increased activity here and on other articles promoting certain positions, whether for or against. We need to make sure there is no WP:PROMOTION that advocates either side of the argument beyond the current neutral and balanced state. Hwy43 ( talk) 05:19, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
May I suggest a brief cooling off period on this? I have confidence that this will resolve itself soon. If more detailed information is not included in the forthcoming May 30 council meeting agenda package, council debate on the item will likely ask city administration for a report to be prepared on the history of the nickname for return to a future council meeting. I sure hope they simply don't dust off the old report that we have already and copy it verbatim, or we are no further ahead. In the meantime, here is why the 1987 Grey Cup is important.
"Its use was popularized in 1987, when Mayor Lawrence Decore used it to describe Edmonton’s response to the tornado. Edmonton Sun columnist Terry Jones also used it in 1987, when the Edmonton Eskimos and Edmonton Oilers both won championships."
Here is the chronology of important dates in 1987 relevant to the above quote from the current referenced city report.
Based on the quote from the reference, if Terry Jones truly did use it in 1987 when both teams won their championships, then he could have only done so between November 29 and December 31 inclusive, which by all means is after the tornado and therefore after Decore usage of the nickname in a different context popularized the nickname. I am not disputing it could have been used in 1984 through to before the tornado in the sporting context, as the two references supplied by Cosh thus far suggest, we just need that reliable explicit source to confirm so. As mentioned, there is a good chance this will be confirmed over the course of playing out this current city council debate. Hwy43 ( talk) 00:49, 18 May 2017 (UTC)
"That Administration prepare a report outlining options for the return of the “City of Champions” slogan to welcome signs and the promotion of the slogan as a way to recognise volunteers, including those who rallied to help out after a tornado killed 27 people in 1987, and return to Committee."
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The article doesn't mention the origin of Edmonton's name although it includes a reference to http://edmontonlocal.ca/edmonton-101/how-did-edmonton-city-get-its-name which has "Some accounts also speak of how a William Tomison chose the site for the first outpost on the north bank of the river and named the town after a member of the Committee of HBC or the place where that committee-member resides.".
/info/en/?search=Edmonton#History has "The fort's name was chosen by William Tomison, who was in charge of its construction, for Edmonton, Middlesex, England, home town of the Lake family – at least five of whom were influential members of the HBC between 1696-1807" based on http://wayback.archive-it.org/2217/20101208175137/http://www.albertasource.ca/metis/eng/people_and_communities/historic_fort_edmonton.htm.
/info/en/?search=Fort_Edmonton#First_Fort_Edmonton_(1794%E2%80%931802) has "Edmonton House, and the subsequent forts, was named by John Peter Pruden, clerk to the HBC's George Sutherland. The Fort was named after Edmonton, Middlesex, England, birthplace of both Pruden and HBC Deputy Governor Sir James Winter Lake." based on Builders of the West by Frederick William Howay (Ryerson, 1929).
According to Fort de Prairies: The Story of Fort Edmonton by Brock Silversides (Heritage House Publishing, 2005) p.2 "It was named Edmonton House after the village of the same name that is now a suburb of London, England, but it is still uncertain as to why." https://books.google.co.il/books?id=ley-LL3RiIMC&pg=PA2&dq=%22It+was+named+Edmonton+House%22%22village%22%22same+name%22%22London,+England%22%22still+uncertain+as+to+why.+%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiylJjUoafpAhVECewKHaPDB20Q6AEIKDAA#v=onepage&q=%22It%20was%20named%20Edmonton%20House%22%22village%22%22same%20name%22%22London%2C%20England%22%22still%20uncertain%20as%20to%20why.%20%22&f=false Mcljlm ( talk) 18:15, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
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@ TheImaCow : Regarding the photo you added. I don't think this is Edmonton. I can't reconcile it to any of the streets and railway networks that existed in Edmonton in the 1920s. Is it maybe Edmonton, Kentucky? Indefatigable ( talk) 22:44, 4 February 2024 (UTC)