This section provides an extremely impressive summary of the evidence for notions of Real Presence in the first centuries, but I wonder whether it should be presented differently? It is a contentious issue because history is so definitive in the Catholic tradition, but these references to body and blood in early documents are interpreted by many (mostly Protestant) scholars as metaphorical. As far as I am aware, it is very difficult to pin down a real concern for the eucharistic elements until the late third century at the earliest. So should the early evidence be presented as 'A Catholic Interpretation'? -- ADMH 12:55, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
In dealing (arguing against) linkage btwn purported mystical benefits of flesh-eating and blood-drinking among mystery cults and that of Catholicism, it is asserted: "This theory is rejected in Catholic Eucharistic theology. In fact, Christianity and the Eucharistic rite began not among people who believed in or practised the mystery religions, but within Judaism" and goes on to cite the apostle Paul's reference to the Lord's supper as part of a apologetic against this linkage. Which assumes that the Catholic belief in the Eucharist, including that partaking of it provided spiritual benefits as per Catholic doctrine, was held by NT Christians, anachronistically reading Catholic theology into Biblical texts. While the Lord's supper did indeed begin within Judaism (Jewish disciples of Christ) this simply does not translate into belief in the Catholic Eucharist. The point here is that this section (and indeed the article overall) is too much that of a Catholic POV apologetic. Grace and peace thru the Lord Jesus ( talk) 12:11, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
I've tried to give an encyclopedic tone to this whole article and to quote a selection of recent sources. I then removed the three tags. If you feel that a tag is still necessary please ping me when you add it and I will do my best to respond. Jzsj ( talk) 14:46, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus to move. Merging can be done by regular editing and discussion and no one other than the requester appears to be in favor of moving the page to the proposed title. ( page mover nac) Flooded with them hundreds 16:13, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
History of Catholic eucharistic theology → Catholic eucharistic theology – WP:CONCISE. Since there is in fact no such preexisting article (although that future one may well merit a history section). If you chech the contents of History of Catholic eucharistic theology, it does also touch upon present day. Inversely, a report on Catholic eucharistic theology is not really workable without a history section. At least so far, with regards to extent of content, let's just keep it all in one and the same article: Catholic eucharistic theology. Chicbyaccident ( talk) 12:40, 5 September 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 talk to me | my contributions 22:32, 17 September 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 talk to me | my contributions 21:13, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
@ Madrenergic:, @ Galobtter: I take it a merge with Eucharist in the Catholic Church is endorsed, then? Chicbyaccident ( talk) 21:01, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
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This section provides an extremely impressive summary of the evidence for notions of Real Presence in the first centuries, but I wonder whether it should be presented differently? It is a contentious issue because history is so definitive in the Catholic tradition, but these references to body and blood in early documents are interpreted by many (mostly Protestant) scholars as metaphorical. As far as I am aware, it is very difficult to pin down a real concern for the eucharistic elements until the late third century at the earliest. So should the early evidence be presented as 'A Catholic Interpretation'? -- ADMH 12:55, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
In dealing (arguing against) linkage btwn purported mystical benefits of flesh-eating and blood-drinking among mystery cults and that of Catholicism, it is asserted: "This theory is rejected in Catholic Eucharistic theology. In fact, Christianity and the Eucharistic rite began not among people who believed in or practised the mystery religions, but within Judaism" and goes on to cite the apostle Paul's reference to the Lord's supper as part of a apologetic against this linkage. Which assumes that the Catholic belief in the Eucharist, including that partaking of it provided spiritual benefits as per Catholic doctrine, was held by NT Christians, anachronistically reading Catholic theology into Biblical texts. While the Lord's supper did indeed begin within Judaism (Jewish disciples of Christ) this simply does not translate into belief in the Catholic Eucharist. The point here is that this section (and indeed the article overall) is too much that of a Catholic POV apologetic. Grace and peace thru the Lord Jesus ( talk) 12:11, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
I've tried to give an encyclopedic tone to this whole article and to quote a selection of recent sources. I then removed the three tags. If you feel that a tag is still necessary please ping me when you add it and I will do my best to respond. Jzsj ( talk) 14:46, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus to move. Merging can be done by regular editing and discussion and no one other than the requester appears to be in favor of moving the page to the proposed title. ( page mover nac) Flooded with them hundreds 16:13, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
History of Catholic eucharistic theology → Catholic eucharistic theology – WP:CONCISE. Since there is in fact no such preexisting article (although that future one may well merit a history section). If you chech the contents of History of Catholic eucharistic theology, it does also touch upon present day. Inversely, a report on Catholic eucharistic theology is not really workable without a history section. At least so far, with regards to extent of content, let's just keep it all in one and the same article: Catholic eucharistic theology. Chicbyaccident ( talk) 12:40, 5 September 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 talk to me | my contributions 22:32, 17 September 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 talk to me | my contributions 21:13, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
@ Madrenergic:, @ Galobtter: I take it a merge with Eucharist in the Catholic Church is endorsed, then? Chicbyaccident ( talk) 21:01, 10 October 2018 (UTC)