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The result of the move request was: no consensus. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Polyamorph ( talk) 19:14, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
– Neutral references refer Ayya Vaikundar as a historical individual who founded Ayyavazhi. Redtigerxyz Talk 08:03, 22 October 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Jenks24 ( talk) 09:48, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
Most neutral references use Ayya Vaikundar for the historical figure; rather a mythical being. Non-religious academic literature mentions Ayyavazhi or Ayya Vaikundar as the following:
https://ayyavaikundar.in/%E0%AE%B5%E0%AF%88%E0%AE%95%E0%AF%81%E0%AE%A3%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%9F%E0%AE%85%E0%AE%B5%E0%AE%A4%E0%AE%BE%E0%AE%B0-%E0%AE%B5%E0%AE%B0%E0%AE%B2%E0%AE%BE%E0%AE%B1%E0%AF%81/ KrishnakumarSiva ( talk) 15:38, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
The article on this topic, Historical Vaikundar, is an intentionally fabricated article. Most of the information mentioned in it is totally different from Primary source of Akilathirattu Ammanai.
Lord Vaikundar History is the historical events mentioned in the Akilathiratu Ammanai. [1] There is no need to write the history of Lord Vaikundar as an alternative to Akilthiratu Ammanai.[1] If you write the history of Ayya Vaikundar based on hearsay and a recently published book based on hearsay, it will lead to a lot of misunderstanding and stigmatization of Ayya Vaikundar.[Historical vaikundar article References and citation] According to Holy Akilathiratu Ammanai, the Lord's incarnation took place 1833 (Kollam 1008)-Page no: 5, 242 (Akilathirattu Ammanai ). From the Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu to the Prime Minister of India, their Ayya Vaikundar Avatar Day greetings are based on the Avatar event that happened in 1833.[2][3][4][5] The author of this article quoting the birth of Ayya Vaikundar in 1809 is misunderstanding and unacceptable. When writing on a site like Wikipedia, one should write on the basis of the primary text, which can be a source. It is very sad news to cite an article based on recent 20 30 years old texts based on hearsay information[6]. This will reduce the credibility of Wikipedia. It is written in this article to stigmatize the Vaikunta avatar that he married a woman married at the age of 17. According to Holy Akilathiratu Ammanai one who can be called Sampoorna Deva who married a girl at the age of 17 but the author of this article has written in a wrong perspective due to misunderstanding.[7] (page-206 Akilathiratu Ammanai). The majority of references cited in this article refer to non-fundamental articles published within the last 20 to 30 years. It is surprising to cite articles published in the last 20 to 30 years for a historical event that occurred in the 18th century. Hoky Akhilathirattu Ammanai was written during Vaikundar's avatara period but there is no false information like the one mentioned in this article in later foot print edition and similar book editions. Many articles like this one, written based on unsubstantiated hearsay stories, are now being revised and published according to Holy Akilathirattu Ammanai[8][9][10][11] (Daily thanthi news). We kindly request you to remove this article from this site as this type of articles written with such baseless hearsay stories are very disturbing to the worshipers of Lord Vaikundar.
wikipedia has two pages Ayya Vaikundar and Historical Vaikundar, but the information given in both is completely different and many of the information are different from Holy Akilathiratu Ammanai, so I request you to publish the history of God Ayya Vaikundar in one page as told in Holy Akilathiratu Ammanai on wikipedia like other wikipedia pages of God Rama, God Krishna, God Karthikeya. Reference • Akilathiratu Ammanai foot Print version and book version • Tamil Nadu Chief Minister wishes for Ayya Vaikundar incarnation day. • Ayya Vaikundar incarnation day greetings release from Prime Minister • Ayya Vaikundar incarnation day greetings release from Raj Bhavan Tamil Nadu • Raj Bhavan Tamil Nadu Celebration of 192 nd Incarnation Day of Ayya Vaikundaswamy and Sanatana History Book Launch of SRI MAHA VISHNU’S AVATAR SRI VAIKUNDA SWAMI • Daily Thanthi News 03-03-2024
Citations[edit source] 1. ^ "Akilathirattu Ammanai" Foot print (Thenthamaraikulam Pathi-1840) 2. ^ "Tamil Nadu Chief Minister Ayya Vaikundar incarnation wishes" (`3 March 2024) 3. ^ "Prime Minister of India Ayya Vaikundar incarnation wishes" (`3 March 2024) 4. ^ "Raj Bhavan Tamil Nadu Ayya Vaikundar incarnation wishes" (`3 March 2024) 5. ^ "Puthia Thalaimarai (Leading Tamil Daily Ayya Vaikundar incarnation wishes" (`3 March 2024) 6. ^ "Vivekanandan 2003" 7. ^ "Akilathiratu Ammanai" Page-206 Book version
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The result of the move request was: no consensus. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Polyamorph ( talk) 19:14, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
– Neutral references refer Ayya Vaikundar as a historical individual who founded Ayyavazhi. Redtigerxyz Talk 08:03, 22 October 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. Jenks24 ( talk) 09:48, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
Most neutral references use Ayya Vaikundar for the historical figure; rather a mythical being. Non-religious academic literature mentions Ayyavazhi or Ayya Vaikundar as the following:
https://ayyavaikundar.in/%E0%AE%B5%E0%AF%88%E0%AE%95%E0%AF%81%E0%AE%A3%E0%AF%8D%E0%AE%9F%E0%AE%85%E0%AE%B5%E0%AE%A4%E0%AE%BE%E0%AE%B0-%E0%AE%B5%E0%AE%B0%E0%AE%B2%E0%AE%BE%E0%AE%B1%E0%AF%81/ KrishnakumarSiva ( talk) 15:38, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
The article on this topic, Historical Vaikundar, is an intentionally fabricated article. Most of the information mentioned in it is totally different from Primary source of Akilathirattu Ammanai.
Lord Vaikundar History is the historical events mentioned in the Akilathiratu Ammanai. [1] There is no need to write the history of Lord Vaikundar as an alternative to Akilthiratu Ammanai.[1] If you write the history of Ayya Vaikundar based on hearsay and a recently published book based on hearsay, it will lead to a lot of misunderstanding and stigmatization of Ayya Vaikundar.[Historical vaikundar article References and citation] According to Holy Akilathiratu Ammanai, the Lord's incarnation took place 1833 (Kollam 1008)-Page no: 5, 242 (Akilathirattu Ammanai ). From the Chief Minister of Tamil Nadu to the Prime Minister of India, their Ayya Vaikundar Avatar Day greetings are based on the Avatar event that happened in 1833.[2][3][4][5] The author of this article quoting the birth of Ayya Vaikundar in 1809 is misunderstanding and unacceptable. When writing on a site like Wikipedia, one should write on the basis of the primary text, which can be a source. It is very sad news to cite an article based on recent 20 30 years old texts based on hearsay information[6]. This will reduce the credibility of Wikipedia. It is written in this article to stigmatize the Vaikunta avatar that he married a woman married at the age of 17. According to Holy Akilathiratu Ammanai one who can be called Sampoorna Deva who married a girl at the age of 17 but the author of this article has written in a wrong perspective due to misunderstanding.[7] (page-206 Akilathiratu Ammanai). The majority of references cited in this article refer to non-fundamental articles published within the last 20 to 30 years. It is surprising to cite articles published in the last 20 to 30 years for a historical event that occurred in the 18th century. Hoky Akhilathirattu Ammanai was written during Vaikundar's avatara period but there is no false information like the one mentioned in this article in later foot print edition and similar book editions. Many articles like this one, written based on unsubstantiated hearsay stories, are now being revised and published according to Holy Akilathirattu Ammanai[8][9][10][11] (Daily thanthi news). We kindly request you to remove this article from this site as this type of articles written with such baseless hearsay stories are very disturbing to the worshipers of Lord Vaikundar.
wikipedia has two pages Ayya Vaikundar and Historical Vaikundar, but the information given in both is completely different and many of the information are different from Holy Akilathiratu Ammanai, so I request you to publish the history of God Ayya Vaikundar in one page as told in Holy Akilathiratu Ammanai on wikipedia like other wikipedia pages of God Rama, God Krishna, God Karthikeya. Reference • Akilathiratu Ammanai foot Print version and book version • Tamil Nadu Chief Minister wishes for Ayya Vaikundar incarnation day. • Ayya Vaikundar incarnation day greetings release from Prime Minister • Ayya Vaikundar incarnation day greetings release from Raj Bhavan Tamil Nadu • Raj Bhavan Tamil Nadu Celebration of 192 nd Incarnation Day of Ayya Vaikundaswamy and Sanatana History Book Launch of SRI MAHA VISHNU’S AVATAR SRI VAIKUNDA SWAMI • Daily Thanthi News 03-03-2024
Citations[edit source] 1. ^ "Akilathirattu Ammanai" Foot print (Thenthamaraikulam Pathi-1840) 2. ^ "Tamil Nadu Chief Minister Ayya Vaikundar incarnation wishes" (`3 March 2024) 3. ^ "Prime Minister of India Ayya Vaikundar incarnation wishes" (`3 March 2024) 4. ^ "Raj Bhavan Tamil Nadu Ayya Vaikundar incarnation wishes" (`3 March 2024) 5. ^ "Puthia Thalaimarai (Leading Tamil Daily Ayya Vaikundar incarnation wishes" (`3 March 2024) 6. ^ "Vivekanandan 2003" 7. ^ "Akilathiratu Ammanai" Page-206 Book version
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