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There was a section that was completely deleted about notable Latino Muslims. Maybe, the people don't deserve their own Wikipedia pages but they do deserve to be listed on this page for their identities as Latino Muslims. What do you think?-- LatinoMuslim 06:07, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
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Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 23:29, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
"Factors for Conversion" is unnecessary and POV, removed.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.211.252.114 ( talk • contribs)
You could just as easily write one line in the Latino article saying "there are muslim latinos." The only reason I can think of to dedicate an entire thread to the existance of a negligable group such as this would be islamic proselytism - which is clearly what is happening here.
Citing (defunct) islamic *missionary* groups like LADO only to remind readers that they "exist" serves little no other purpose than advertisement.
And seriously is there any real reason to go into such depth to report a minority within a minority? Do latino-muslims matter? Are they facing some kind of noteworthy persecution? Do they have a notably different culture worth reporting? Are their numbers large enough to be considered consequential by anyone other than islamic missionaries?
Nothing in this article even begins to suggest that is the case. There is nothing here to talk about. Why not have separate articles on "latino-buddhists" "latino-sikhs" "latino-scientologists" "latino-Stargate SG-1 fans" I'm adding a VFD -- 67.163.191.97 13:50, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
What the hell is this article about?
"Latino Muslims are Latinos whose religion is Islam. Latino Muslims are also known as Hispanic Muslims. Latino Muslims have a long history in Spain[1]. Islam was first introduced to Latinos by the Moors."
This is false, it's trash. First of all "Hispanic" and "Latino" are not synonym words, so you should explain that this stupid misunderstanding just applies in the United States.
After this, "Latino Muslims have a long history in Spain". Just LOL. First of all, the ones in Spain were never called "Latino Muslims" (and no, they didn't dance reagetón). If you want, they were Hispanic Muslims, because they were in Hispania, but not, in any case, Latino Muslims.
In addition, these muslims from Spain were kicked more than 500 years ago, and the "Latino muslims" that nowadays claim to be their heirs have nothing to do with them.
"Islam was first introduced to Latinos by the Moors". Yeah sure, 1200 years ago Spain was full of "Latinos", and "Mexican-Americans", and "Chicanos", and they were eating tacos and drinking tequila when the muslims came and converted them to the Islam.
What's all this trash about, seriously? There were muslims in Spain, but they were kicked 500 years ago. The Spanish-speaking people that nowadays are Muslims, are just like those blacks from the US, that have recently converted to Islam as a personal choice, not because they have any muslim ancester nor any tradition in their family of being muslim.
And LATINO is a contraction of LATINOAMERICANO!! Therefore in Spain there are no LATINOS, but Spaniards or Hispanics (inhabitants of Hispania). Stop spreading the ignorance in the Wikipedia please. Onofre Bouvila 17:53, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Muslim Latinos are estimsted at most 200k of 50 million (0.4% of the community, less than 0.1% of US).
'Historical links' are a red herring. I've seen estimates of 2% north African DNA in Spain. Most American Hispanics are not fully Spanish, so their level of Arab DNA on average would be negligible. Spanish identity in its moderm form came from defeating the Moors. By the way - not all Muslims are Arabs, not all Arabs are Muslim.
There is not even an article for Catholic Hispanics or White Atheists. Those groups are far more of note to an encyclopedia. Indiasummer95 ( talk) 22:34, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
I don't think that Latino Americans and Latin Americans are synonymous. Currently, the article begins with "Latino Muslims are Latin Americans whose religion is Islam." -- JuanMuslim 1m 15:15, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
This is nothing but a piece of writing made to impose a generalised point of view and a highly misleading article at best. The author violates the naming policies of wikipedia by using an arbitrary term to refer to people. I changed all the "Latino" mentions to "Latin American" but still the article sounds extremely biased. The author tries to make the reader believe that ALL Latin American people agree to be called "Latinos" which is certainly not the case. Just like Onofre Bouvila points out the article doesn't make it clear that "Latino" doesn't mean "Latin American". The official status of the former is people of Latin American descent living in the US. It is incredible that this article has existed for so long without a serious propose for deletion.-- Scandza ( talk) 14:48, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
The Moors were Berbers who were later Arabized, when the Arabs conquered North Africa and raped everybody. Latinos are a mixed race people from the Americas (Indigenous American, White Spanish, and Black African). Whatever Moorish/Arab heritage they may have would have to be from whichever Spaniards may or may not have had some Arab blood as a result of the Arab conquest of Spain, and it would be extremely watered down today if it survived into the modern Latino population (and it would be almost undetectable in a genetics test).
So, what is this nonsense? This sounds like more pseudo-militant propaganda to gain converts in the Hispanic community and in jails, in the same way that Muslims try to woo African Americans by calling Islam a religion for the black man (even though Muslims established the Trans-Atlantic slave trade, and even though black men are still slaves to this day in some Arab countries).
So, my question is, why does Wikipedia endorse this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hierosolimitanum ( talk • contribs) 03:41, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
"They were expelled by reconquering Catholics of the Peninsula in the 15th century through a process called Reconquista, after eight centuries of war." Really? This is sooo ugly! The Muslims established Al-Andalus (Andalusia) were humanity flourished there! Science! Art! Music!.. "Eight centuries of war"? Give us a break will you? Christian royalties and nobles were ENTRUSTING their DAUGHTERS to live with Muslims Arab families to ATTEND and STUDY in our Islamic UNIVERSITIES back then! "Eight years of war"? Really? This anti-Arab anti-Islam trash, and truth-altering nonsense, just to favor the ‘Western view point of EVERYthing’ we are witnessing here and there, including Wikipedia, is sooooo disgusting! Grow up! WHY OH WHY?.. would you say "Eight years of War"????? Instead of mentioning the truth? That Iberia flourished during the Islamic presence in Hispania?? Where is our ~eye blinding and bright~ GOLDEN AGE when you people WHERE LIVING IN THE "DARK"AGES" and herding pigs in the rest of Europe?? The Reconquista started at the VERY FAR END of that history! Surely, Ferdinand and Isabella didn't live 800 years!! What are they? Vampires?? >:( (This is vomit inducing shit... I wouldn't even touch that article... ). Greetings from Dubai.. to the worthy.. ONLY! Rewayah ( talk) 11:47am, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
Wouldn't this be better merged into Islam? I can't see the content expanding much more than this.
EVOCATIVEINTRIGUE TALKTOME | EMAILME 23:07, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
Discuss: Merge Hispanic and Latino American Muslims to Hispanic and Latino American.18:02, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
Err: what merger proposal are you voting on? William M. Connolley ( talk) 15:39, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
I added updates on references related to the LALMA organization. KGodoy ( talk) 19:56, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
Are there important subtopics that are not discussed?-- LatinoMuslim 04:10, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
I've added a subtopic called: Questions for further inquiry. It needs work but I think it will help generate ideas for future research.-- LatinoMuslim 04:58, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
I am working on this article as part of a college course. I already added the Organization section during my first edit for the class, in which I moved some information and added some about Alianza Islámica and IslamInSpanish. I plan to add a section for Liberation theology under Reasons for conversion as well as a section dedicated to Conversion to Islam in prisons. I also plan on adding Racial and ethnic ties to Islam as a new section. Dmaldonado08 ( talk) 22:06, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
I think that what has been added to this article is great so far. I think it would really benefit from more sourcing within each subsection, as well as more illustrations. Otherwise, it is beginning to be a very comprehensive article. What you have written so far is very informative, and provides much more insight into the racial groups and their conversion to Islam. I am excited to follow along and see what else is added to this article. Great job! Annkat22 ( talk) 01:34, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
You have made this article much more cohesive and it is very informative about the topic! There are so many outside links and references to other Wikipedia pages, which allows any reader to follow along with the information that you have provided. Everything is very well sourced, and the article has really improved. I would recommend adding an additional illustration that provides more insight into the Hispanic and Latino American individuals who have converted to Islam (maybe one of the notable converts you mentioned) and some more information within the "Questions for further inquiry" section. Otherwise, this article has definitely been positively refined and updated. Well done!! Annkat22 ( talk) 02:28, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
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There was a section that was completely deleted about notable Latino Muslims. Maybe, the people don't deserve their own Wikipedia pages but they do deserve to be listed on this page for their identities as Latino Muslims. What do you think?-- LatinoMuslim 06:07, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
References
This article is or was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Dmaldonado08. Peer reviewers: Annkat22.
Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT ( talk) 23:29, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
"Factors for Conversion" is unnecessary and POV, removed.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.211.252.114 ( talk • contribs)
You could just as easily write one line in the Latino article saying "there are muslim latinos." The only reason I can think of to dedicate an entire thread to the existance of a negligable group such as this would be islamic proselytism - which is clearly what is happening here.
Citing (defunct) islamic *missionary* groups like LADO only to remind readers that they "exist" serves little no other purpose than advertisement.
And seriously is there any real reason to go into such depth to report a minority within a minority? Do latino-muslims matter? Are they facing some kind of noteworthy persecution? Do they have a notably different culture worth reporting? Are their numbers large enough to be considered consequential by anyone other than islamic missionaries?
Nothing in this article even begins to suggest that is the case. There is nothing here to talk about. Why not have separate articles on "latino-buddhists" "latino-sikhs" "latino-scientologists" "latino-Stargate SG-1 fans" I'm adding a VFD -- 67.163.191.97 13:50, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
What the hell is this article about?
"Latino Muslims are Latinos whose religion is Islam. Latino Muslims are also known as Hispanic Muslims. Latino Muslims have a long history in Spain[1]. Islam was first introduced to Latinos by the Moors."
This is false, it's trash. First of all "Hispanic" and "Latino" are not synonym words, so you should explain that this stupid misunderstanding just applies in the United States.
After this, "Latino Muslims have a long history in Spain". Just LOL. First of all, the ones in Spain were never called "Latino Muslims" (and no, they didn't dance reagetón). If you want, they were Hispanic Muslims, because they were in Hispania, but not, in any case, Latino Muslims.
In addition, these muslims from Spain were kicked more than 500 years ago, and the "Latino muslims" that nowadays claim to be their heirs have nothing to do with them.
"Islam was first introduced to Latinos by the Moors". Yeah sure, 1200 years ago Spain was full of "Latinos", and "Mexican-Americans", and "Chicanos", and they were eating tacos and drinking tequila when the muslims came and converted them to the Islam.
What's all this trash about, seriously? There were muslims in Spain, but they were kicked 500 years ago. The Spanish-speaking people that nowadays are Muslims, are just like those blacks from the US, that have recently converted to Islam as a personal choice, not because they have any muslim ancester nor any tradition in their family of being muslim.
And LATINO is a contraction of LATINOAMERICANO!! Therefore in Spain there are no LATINOS, but Spaniards or Hispanics (inhabitants of Hispania). Stop spreading the ignorance in the Wikipedia please. Onofre Bouvila 17:53, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Muslim Latinos are estimsted at most 200k of 50 million (0.4% of the community, less than 0.1% of US).
'Historical links' are a red herring. I've seen estimates of 2% north African DNA in Spain. Most American Hispanics are not fully Spanish, so their level of Arab DNA on average would be negligible. Spanish identity in its moderm form came from defeating the Moors. By the way - not all Muslims are Arabs, not all Arabs are Muslim.
There is not even an article for Catholic Hispanics or White Atheists. Those groups are far more of note to an encyclopedia. Indiasummer95 ( talk) 22:34, 25 August 2013 (UTC)
I don't think that Latino Americans and Latin Americans are synonymous. Currently, the article begins with "Latino Muslims are Latin Americans whose religion is Islam." -- JuanMuslim 1m 15:15, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
This is nothing but a piece of writing made to impose a generalised point of view and a highly misleading article at best. The author violates the naming policies of wikipedia by using an arbitrary term to refer to people. I changed all the "Latino" mentions to "Latin American" but still the article sounds extremely biased. The author tries to make the reader believe that ALL Latin American people agree to be called "Latinos" which is certainly not the case. Just like Onofre Bouvila points out the article doesn't make it clear that "Latino" doesn't mean "Latin American". The official status of the former is people of Latin American descent living in the US. It is incredible that this article has existed for so long without a serious propose for deletion.-- Scandza ( talk) 14:48, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
The Moors were Berbers who were later Arabized, when the Arabs conquered North Africa and raped everybody. Latinos are a mixed race people from the Americas (Indigenous American, White Spanish, and Black African). Whatever Moorish/Arab heritage they may have would have to be from whichever Spaniards may or may not have had some Arab blood as a result of the Arab conquest of Spain, and it would be extremely watered down today if it survived into the modern Latino population (and it would be almost undetectable in a genetics test).
So, what is this nonsense? This sounds like more pseudo-militant propaganda to gain converts in the Hispanic community and in jails, in the same way that Muslims try to woo African Americans by calling Islam a religion for the black man (even though Muslims established the Trans-Atlantic slave trade, and even though black men are still slaves to this day in some Arab countries).
So, my question is, why does Wikipedia endorse this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hierosolimitanum ( talk • contribs) 03:41, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
"They were expelled by reconquering Catholics of the Peninsula in the 15th century through a process called Reconquista, after eight centuries of war." Really? This is sooo ugly! The Muslims established Al-Andalus (Andalusia) were humanity flourished there! Science! Art! Music!.. "Eight centuries of war"? Give us a break will you? Christian royalties and nobles were ENTRUSTING their DAUGHTERS to live with Muslims Arab families to ATTEND and STUDY in our Islamic UNIVERSITIES back then! "Eight years of war"? Really? This anti-Arab anti-Islam trash, and truth-altering nonsense, just to favor the ‘Western view point of EVERYthing’ we are witnessing here and there, including Wikipedia, is sooooo disgusting! Grow up! WHY OH WHY?.. would you say "Eight years of War"????? Instead of mentioning the truth? That Iberia flourished during the Islamic presence in Hispania?? Where is our ~eye blinding and bright~ GOLDEN AGE when you people WHERE LIVING IN THE "DARK"AGES" and herding pigs in the rest of Europe?? The Reconquista started at the VERY FAR END of that history! Surely, Ferdinand and Isabella didn't live 800 years!! What are they? Vampires?? >:( (This is vomit inducing shit... I wouldn't even touch that article... ). Greetings from Dubai.. to the worthy.. ONLY! Rewayah ( talk) 11:47am, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
Wouldn't this be better merged into Islam? I can't see the content expanding much more than this.
EVOCATIVEINTRIGUE TALKTOME | EMAILME 23:07, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
Discuss: Merge Hispanic and Latino American Muslims to Hispanic and Latino American.18:02, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
Err: what merger proposal are you voting on? William M. Connolley ( talk) 15:39, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
I added updates on references related to the LALMA organization. KGodoy ( talk) 19:56, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
Are there important subtopics that are not discussed?-- LatinoMuslim 04:10, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
I've added a subtopic called: Questions for further inquiry. It needs work but I think it will help generate ideas for future research.-- LatinoMuslim 04:58, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
I am working on this article as part of a college course. I already added the Organization section during my first edit for the class, in which I moved some information and added some about Alianza Islámica and IslamInSpanish. I plan to add a section for Liberation theology under Reasons for conversion as well as a section dedicated to Conversion to Islam in prisons. I also plan on adding Racial and ethnic ties to Islam as a new section. Dmaldonado08 ( talk) 22:06, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
I think that what has been added to this article is great so far. I think it would really benefit from more sourcing within each subsection, as well as more illustrations. Otherwise, it is beginning to be a very comprehensive article. What you have written so far is very informative, and provides much more insight into the racial groups and their conversion to Islam. I am excited to follow along and see what else is added to this article. Great job! Annkat22 ( talk) 01:34, 8 March 2016 (UTC)
You have made this article much more cohesive and it is very informative about the topic! There are so many outside links and references to other Wikipedia pages, which allows any reader to follow along with the information that you have provided. Everything is very well sourced, and the article has really improved. I would recommend adding an additional illustration that provides more insight into the Hispanic and Latino American individuals who have converted to Islam (maybe one of the notable converts you mentioned) and some more information within the "Questions for further inquiry" section. Otherwise, this article has definitely been positively refined and updated. Well done!! Annkat22 ( talk) 02:28, 28 March 2016 (UTC)