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Voilà, I created this article and merged most of the Criticism of the term Latino. I hope you guys will find it more balanced than the previous one.-- Scandza ( talk) 15:08, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
In The Empire (The Netherlands) we consider our princess a Latina, she has blond hair and a pale skin-tone, in the United States she would not be considered a Latina. I know a man from the Fang tribe of Equatorial-Geinea who is considered black in The Empire (The Netherlands), but when he traveled to the U.S. they referred to him as a Hispanic due to his name. So does the term differ per country? -- 82.134.154.25 ( talk) 10:42, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
How about putting up a sentence or something that explains to the reader that this article is only about the usage in the US, with nothign to do with the historical uses and the word's meanings in other countries, especially where they originated? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.199.31.52 ( talk) 19:00, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
I am slightly adjusting the sentence, "It was first used officially in the 1970 Census..." to "It was first used officially by the U.S. government in the 1970 Census..." to bring it into agreement with the Hispanic and Latino Americans article. The term was already in use in academia since the beginning of the 20th century at the at the latest. The Original Historygeek ( talk) 18:37, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Officially, maybe, but there are example of "hispanic/latino" people using the terms for social organization in US universities way before that, for example the Secret Society; Union Hispano Americana (UHΑ) founded in 1898 and the Union Latino Americana was established in 1932, having Regions in Cuba, US, Mexico and Puerto Rico. Know this might not add much to the article, that's the reason I wrote it here and did not directly add it to the article. Your thoughts? El Johnson ( talk) 14:17, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
The learned scholar of Latspanic Studies who wrote this article might note that "widespread" is an adjective, not a verb.
Also, many of the arguments presented are not to be taken seriously. A category need not be "homogenous" to be a category. For example, there is great variety among rocks but that is not grounds to abolish the term "rock." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.125.50.69 ( talk) 10:16, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved (by Huh direction ( talk · contribs) Breawycker ( talk to me!) 00:30, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
- Breawycker ( talk to me!) 00:30, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
Hispanic/Latino naming dispute → Hispanic–Latino naming dispute – WP:SLASH. — Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 03:38, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
"Latino" in Portugal has a differente meaning (and i'm almost sure in other countries like Spain and Italy). We usually call latino anyone who he is from Southern Europe and speaks a romance language (Portuguese, Spanish, Italian, French, etc). It is also a matter of race and personality. We don't call people from South America "latinos" although they have great influences from "latino" coutries. We also call the irish the latinos from "northern europe" because of their bad temperment more typical to southern europeans than northern or central europeans. Acting like a latino is being very impulsive and losing your temperament and composure easily. -- viriatus ( talk) 19:02, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
Patapsco913 raises a valid point about the number of Spanish Americans listed in the lead. It had been previously listed as 85,000, based on this table from the Census Bureau: [1]. Patapsco913 pointed out that the cited census bureau table only listed persons born in Spain, but not people born in the United States with Spanish ancestry. Patapsco913 has changed the lead to list 717,287 as the number of Spanish-Americans, based on this table from the census bureau of persons who listed "Spaniard" as their ancestry, [2]. The problem is that it looks like something weird is going on with the data on Spaniards. It looks like this table seems to be picking many Latin Americans (or descendants of Latin Americans) who, for whatever reason, chose to list themselves as being Spaniard (for example, if you look at the breakdown of foreign-born Spaniards on this table, [3], only 66% list Europe as their region of origin). Furthermore, in the 2000 census, only 299,948 people self-reported as being Spaniard (see this table: [4]), and this number was a decline from 1990 (it was 360,858 in 1990). It seems highly unlikely to me that the number of Spaniards in the United States has more than double in the space of 10 years from 2000 to 2010. How do you all think we should resolve this? I propose that we list numbers of foreign-born persons in the United States from Brazil and from Spain, since that would seem most likely to give us accurate numbers to compare. Any other ideas? Goodsdrew ( talk) 23:51, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
I am still confused as to what the terms Hispanic and Latino mean. Are both terms interchangeable? I mean is an Argentinian person both Hispanic and Latino? And is a Brazilian also considered so even though they're Portuguese-speaking rather than Spanish? And what about people who are actually from Spain? What category do they fall into in the USA? And would the same include others who speak Romance languages like Italians, French and Romanians? The article needs to do more to explain the situation because we don't all live in the USA. The terms you use are alien to us - another example is Americans talking about African Americans whereas in other countries we'd simply say black - yet, apparently, that may cause offence in the US.--
Xania
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07:28, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
"Hispanic, from the Latin word for "Spain,"" (Answers.com)
The translation would be from the Latin word for Iberia, not the nation of Spain. Spain is named thereafter, Hispannia. I read all that crap about Portuguese Brazilians not being Hispanic. Guess what, Hispannia includes Portugal.
Therefore, I conclude descendants of Portuguese have Hispanic ancestry. 76.105.131.18 ( talk) 07:56, 6 November 2015 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 |
Voilà, I created this article and merged most of the Criticism of the term Latino. I hope you guys will find it more balanced than the previous one.-- Scandza ( talk) 15:08, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
In The Empire (The Netherlands) we consider our princess a Latina, she has blond hair and a pale skin-tone, in the United States she would not be considered a Latina. I know a man from the Fang tribe of Equatorial-Geinea who is considered black in The Empire (The Netherlands), but when he traveled to the U.S. they referred to him as a Hispanic due to his name. So does the term differ per country? -- 82.134.154.25 ( talk) 10:42, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
How about putting up a sentence or something that explains to the reader that this article is only about the usage in the US, with nothign to do with the historical uses and the word's meanings in other countries, especially where they originated? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.199.31.52 ( talk) 19:00, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
I am slightly adjusting the sentence, "It was first used officially in the 1970 Census..." to "It was first used officially by the U.S. government in the 1970 Census..." to bring it into agreement with the Hispanic and Latino Americans article. The term was already in use in academia since the beginning of the 20th century at the at the latest. The Original Historygeek ( talk) 18:37, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
Officially, maybe, but there are example of "hispanic/latino" people using the terms for social organization in US universities way before that, for example the Secret Society; Union Hispano Americana (UHΑ) founded in 1898 and the Union Latino Americana was established in 1932, having Regions in Cuba, US, Mexico and Puerto Rico. Know this might not add much to the article, that's the reason I wrote it here and did not directly add it to the article. Your thoughts? El Johnson ( talk) 14:17, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
The learned scholar of Latspanic Studies who wrote this article might note that "widespread" is an adjective, not a verb.
Also, many of the arguments presented are not to be taken seriously. A category need not be "homogenous" to be a category. For example, there is great variety among rocks but that is not grounds to abolish the term "rock." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.125.50.69 ( talk) 10:16, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved (by Huh direction ( talk · contribs) Breawycker ( talk to me!) 00:30, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
- Breawycker ( talk to me!) 00:30, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
Hispanic/Latino naming dispute → Hispanic–Latino naming dispute – WP:SLASH. — Justin (koavf)❤ T☮ C☺ M☯ 03:38, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
"Latino" in Portugal has a differente meaning (and i'm almost sure in other countries like Spain and Italy). We usually call latino anyone who he is from Southern Europe and speaks a romance language (Portuguese, Spanish, Italian, French, etc). It is also a matter of race and personality. We don't call people from South America "latinos" although they have great influences from "latino" coutries. We also call the irish the latinos from "northern europe" because of their bad temperment more typical to southern europeans than northern or central europeans. Acting like a latino is being very impulsive and losing your temperament and composure easily. -- viriatus ( talk) 19:02, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
Patapsco913 raises a valid point about the number of Spanish Americans listed in the lead. It had been previously listed as 85,000, based on this table from the Census Bureau: [1]. Patapsco913 pointed out that the cited census bureau table only listed persons born in Spain, but not people born in the United States with Spanish ancestry. Patapsco913 has changed the lead to list 717,287 as the number of Spanish-Americans, based on this table from the census bureau of persons who listed "Spaniard" as their ancestry, [2]. The problem is that it looks like something weird is going on with the data on Spaniards. It looks like this table seems to be picking many Latin Americans (or descendants of Latin Americans) who, for whatever reason, chose to list themselves as being Spaniard (for example, if you look at the breakdown of foreign-born Spaniards on this table, [3], only 66% list Europe as their region of origin). Furthermore, in the 2000 census, only 299,948 people self-reported as being Spaniard (see this table: [4]), and this number was a decline from 1990 (it was 360,858 in 1990). It seems highly unlikely to me that the number of Spaniards in the United States has more than double in the space of 10 years from 2000 to 2010. How do you all think we should resolve this? I propose that we list numbers of foreign-born persons in the United States from Brazil and from Spain, since that would seem most likely to give us accurate numbers to compare. Any other ideas? Goodsdrew ( talk) 23:51, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
I am still confused as to what the terms Hispanic and Latino mean. Are both terms interchangeable? I mean is an Argentinian person both Hispanic and Latino? And is a Brazilian also considered so even though they're Portuguese-speaking rather than Spanish? And what about people who are actually from Spain? What category do they fall into in the USA? And would the same include others who speak Romance languages like Italians, French and Romanians? The article needs to do more to explain the situation because we don't all live in the USA. The terms you use are alien to us - another example is Americans talking about African Americans whereas in other countries we'd simply say black - yet, apparently, that may cause offence in the US.--
Xania
talk
07:28, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
"Hispanic, from the Latin word for "Spain,"" (Answers.com)
The translation would be from the Latin word for Iberia, not the nation of Spain. Spain is named thereafter, Hispannia. I read all that crap about Portuguese Brazilians not being Hispanic. Guess what, Hispannia includes Portugal.
Therefore, I conclude descendants of Portuguese have Hispanic ancestry. 76.105.131.18 ( talk) 07:56, 6 November 2015 (UTC)