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Regarding the four bronze horses of the Hippodrome of Konstantinople, the story goes back to 396 BC when the Spartan princess Kyniska, daughter of King Archidamos 2nd and also sister of the later Spartan King Agisilaos 2nd , participated at the Olympic races competition with a "tethrippon arma" (four-horses chariot) which she prepared,trained and became the first female Olympic winner (according to the Olympic rules there was a prohibition for a female participation during the competitions in Olympia, but for the chariot races as an Olympic winner was considered and awarded the owner of the horses and not the charioteer). Kyniska participated and became an Olympic winner again in the chariot race of the next Olympiade in 392 BC. In order to express her gratitude to the God for these wins, she ordered the construction of the statues of her horses in bronze and devoted them to the Temple of Zeus in Olympia. These masterpieces remained there for many centuries until after the ban of the Olympics,as a consequence of the expansion of the new religion in the East Roman Empire, they were transported to decorate the Hippodrome of Konstantinople.Later on they were looted and sent to Venice (1204). User:62.103.70.142
I suggest this be turned into a separate article if someone has a photo that can be used. Adam 00:03, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
The description of the panoramic photo is incorrect. The photo is actually taken looking straight east with Hagia Sophia (Ayasofia) to the left and the Blue Mosque (Sultan Ahmet Cammi) to the far right. You cannot see the Hippodrome from this photo. — Preceding
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Ghepeu, just to explain my edits regarding which empire this belongs to ...
Obviously all articles should attempt to be as accessible as possible to the novice reader. The fact is that this structure was built during the "Roman" period, not the "Byzantine" period. So if your argument is that only one of these historiograpical names should be used it is most proper to refer to the Roman period since that will be clearest to the novice and is most consistent with historiographical terminology (and is not incorrect since, obviously, the "Byzantine" Empire was just a later stage of the "Roman" Empire). Personally I would still prefer to mention both the way I edited it the first time since I think it is clearer but leaving out "Roman" is certainly wrong.
-- Mcorazao 14:49, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Hippodrome of Constantinople →
Sultanahmet square — Current name of the square had been changed for quite sometime. It was not used as a Hippodrome for forever as the article explains. Perhaps two separate articles one for the square and one for the historic hippodrome may be written. —
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I just saw the obelisk last month. It was in mint condition after 3,500 years. I just assumed that the government had copied it and put up a restored version. Wrong! The article remarks on this. Does anyone have any idea why in the world an obelisk that old is in such good shape? I realize that they don't get a whole lot of rain in the area, but it does rain. And after that length of time....It is one of the oldest man-made objects I have seen! Student7 02:58, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
some joker has put many penis related terms into the article like "penis-racing track" and "penis racing and testicle racing" these are sometimes confusing when trying use this for school and they are always offensive
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As far as I know, Ottomans reused many parts of Hippodrome in their buildings. For example, several astonishingly well finished stone columns are located in Topkapi palace. Though, one Turkish museum guide there took that point of wiew as an insult against all Turks. Well... like the bronze serpent or the obelisk could not be an evidence of arts and building parts recycling throughout the history. Hope all Turkish students don´t look the history through glasses of nationalism. BW: Why don´t whole academic word use latin and creek names properly? Why Homer or Constantinople instead of Homeros and Constantinopolis? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.240.133.200 ( talk) 19:57, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
"but they were sacked by Latin troops in the Fourth Crusade" - the term 'Latin troops' is too vague here, and needs further explanation Bandekafsh ( talk) 07:00, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
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All the maps of Old Istanbul distinguish 'hipodrom' and 'Sultanamet meydan'. It is not correct to name the Hippodrome area Sultanamet square. Each of them have different historical monuments. Please modify this, no consensus as mentioned is not a correct reason. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nura 25 ( talk • contribs) 09:35, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
The article talks about the ‘Latins’ stripping one of the columns in the Hippodrome during the crusades. I’m assuming it’s referring to Catholic crusaders (drawn from all across Western Europe) rather than people who actually speak Latin, ancient Romans or Italians? Cunobeline ( talk) 18:17, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
Per the old WP:RM above (see "Request move" from 2007) and another comment by an IP above (see "Sultanamet square and Hippodrome" section), the name "Sultanahamet Square" is by no means clearly appropriate here and this move in 2021 should have gone through a fresh WP:RM instead. I have bold-moved it back to the original title, but given the length of time that has elapsed this could of course be a WP:RM of its own. Just to further explain the problem:
This is just a longer explanation of my edit summary here. Again, it does not preclude deciding this through a WP:RM instead. R Prazeres ( talk) 19:00, 14 August 2023 (UTC)
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Regarding the four bronze horses of the Hippodrome of Konstantinople, the story goes back to 396 BC when the Spartan princess Kyniska, daughter of King Archidamos 2nd and also sister of the later Spartan King Agisilaos 2nd , participated at the Olympic races competition with a "tethrippon arma" (four-horses chariot) which she prepared,trained and became the first female Olympic winner (according to the Olympic rules there was a prohibition for a female participation during the competitions in Olympia, but for the chariot races as an Olympic winner was considered and awarded the owner of the horses and not the charioteer). Kyniska participated and became an Olympic winner again in the chariot race of the next Olympiade in 392 BC. In order to express her gratitude to the God for these wins, she ordered the construction of the statues of her horses in bronze and devoted them to the Temple of Zeus in Olympia. These masterpieces remained there for many centuries until after the ban of the Olympics,as a consequence of the expansion of the new religion in the East Roman Empire, they were transported to decorate the Hippodrome of Konstantinople.Later on they were looted and sent to Venice (1204). User:62.103.70.142
I suggest this be turned into a separate article if someone has a photo that can be used. Adam 00:03, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
The description of the panoramic photo is incorrect. The photo is actually taken looking straight east with Hagia Sophia (Ayasofia) to the left and the Blue Mosque (Sultan Ahmet Cammi) to the far right. You cannot see the Hippodrome from this photo. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Wmilsten (
talk •
contribs)
03:30, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
Ghepeu, just to explain my edits regarding which empire this belongs to ...
Obviously all articles should attempt to be as accessible as possible to the novice reader. The fact is that this structure was built during the "Roman" period, not the "Byzantine" period. So if your argument is that only one of these historiograpical names should be used it is most proper to refer to the Roman period since that will be clearest to the novice and is most consistent with historiographical terminology (and is not incorrect since, obviously, the "Byzantine" Empire was just a later stage of the "Roman" Empire). Personally I would still prefer to mention both the way I edited it the first time since I think it is clearer but leaving out "Roman" is certainly wrong.
-- Mcorazao 14:49, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Hippodrome of Constantinople →
Sultanahmet square — Current name of the square had been changed for quite sometime. It was not used as a Hippodrome for forever as the article explains. Perhaps two separate articles one for the square and one for the historic hippodrome may be written. —
Cat
chi? 07:19, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
*'''Support'''
or *'''Oppose'''
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Wikipedia's naming conventions.It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. -- Stemonitis 06:57, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
I just saw the obelisk last month. It was in mint condition after 3,500 years. I just assumed that the government had copied it and put up a restored version. Wrong! The article remarks on this. Does anyone have any idea why in the world an obelisk that old is in such good shape? I realize that they don't get a whole lot of rain in the area, but it does rain. And after that length of time....It is one of the oldest man-made objects I have seen! Student7 02:58, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
some joker has put many penis related terms into the article like "penis-racing track" and "penis racing and testicle racing" these are sometimes confusing when trying use this for school and they are always offensive
Thanks
As far as I know, Ottomans reused many parts of Hippodrome in their buildings. For example, several astonishingly well finished stone columns are located in Topkapi palace. Though, one Turkish museum guide there took that point of wiew as an insult against all Turks. Well... like the bronze serpent or the obelisk could not be an evidence of arts and building parts recycling throughout the history. Hope all Turkish students don´t look the history through glasses of nationalism. BW: Why don´t whole academic word use latin and creek names properly? Why Homer or Constantinople instead of Homeros and Constantinopolis? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.240.133.200 ( talk) 19:57, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
"but they were sacked by Latin troops in the Fourth Crusade" - the term 'Latin troops' is too vague here, and needs further explanation Bandekafsh ( talk) 07:00, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
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All the maps of Old Istanbul distinguish 'hipodrom' and 'Sultanamet meydan'. It is not correct to name the Hippodrome area Sultanamet square. Each of them have different historical monuments. Please modify this, no consensus as mentioned is not a correct reason. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nura 25 ( talk • contribs) 09:35, 15 January 2023 (UTC)
The article talks about the ‘Latins’ stripping one of the columns in the Hippodrome during the crusades. I’m assuming it’s referring to Catholic crusaders (drawn from all across Western Europe) rather than people who actually speak Latin, ancient Romans or Italians? Cunobeline ( talk) 18:17, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
Per the old WP:RM above (see "Request move" from 2007) and another comment by an IP above (see "Sultanamet square and Hippodrome" section), the name "Sultanahamet Square" is by no means clearly appropriate here and this move in 2021 should have gone through a fresh WP:RM instead. I have bold-moved it back to the original title, but given the length of time that has elapsed this could of course be a WP:RM of its own. Just to further explain the problem:
This is just a longer explanation of my edit summary here. Again, it does not preclude deciding this through a WP:RM instead. R Prazeres ( talk) 19:00, 14 August 2023 (UTC)