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hi i need help i cant breakdance as i dont know how to do it i want tol earn at home is there anyone that can give me a good website or give me good instructions to do a cool move a video willhaelp
Rap and Hip Hop are not synonyms.
If Rap Music is a synomyn for Hip Hop Music, then why is " One Mic" both a rap and Hip Hop song, whilst " Peaches and Cream" is only a Hip Hop Song, but not a rap song? I know the answer. The point is that Rap Music is a genre independent from Hip Hop. You can easily record a rap song without recording a Hip Hop song_ don't ya' think!!! ~Jack D. 4:14 UTC 8/1/04
Queen's 1979 single " Another One Bites The Dust" has been classified as hip-hop by various critics. As such, the song may represent some of the first influences of the genre on mainstream music outside of North America." Where can this fit in anyone?
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Aye, Another One Bites The Dust also sounds like an old school hip hop bass to me. Guess you (we/someone) should find more data about the song and start an stub about it. And mention which critics.
Besides, we might include it in a section of tha Hip hop music page on influences of hip hop on pop, r&b, ragga, rock, nu metal and other music fussions.--
Erri4a 18:19, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Why shouldn't {{hiphop}} be included in the article? The article is about part of hip hop after all. Tim Ivorson 09:55, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Tuf-Kat, one of your recent edits added, "... thrash metal and hip hop (called hardcore)." I'm not sure that this is accurate. The linked article makes no mention of metal. Tim Ivorson 23:24, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)
This is mostly a self-nom. Tuf-Kat 23:32, Oct 16, 2004 (UTC)
This article has become a constant victim of vandalism lately. Tuf-Kat 04:36, Oct 29, 2004 (UTC)
"Hip hop music is a popular style of music. It is composed of two parts: rapping (emceeing) and DJing; along with breakdancing and graffiti art, these are the four components of hip hop, a cultural movement which began among African Americans in New York City in the 1970s. The term rap is sometimes used synonymously with hip hop music, though it is also used to refer specifically to the practice of rapping, which is just one component of hip hop music"
Hip hop as a cultural movement is not defined.There's a pretty correct and useful definition for Hip hop culture:
"Hiphop is defined as the mode of consciousness, interaction and understanding that flows forth from it's four most developed and basic elements:
Emceeing, B-Boying,Graffiti Art, and Djying." <--- wwww.hiphopcongress.com
Therefore the article should start like this:
Hip hop or [rap] music is a popular style of music belonging to the cultural movement called Hiphop which is usually defined as the mode of consciousness, interaction and understanding thatflows forth from it's four most developed and basic elements:
Emceeing,Djing,Graffiti Art an B-Boying (Breakdancing)
IMO this would create a better more general approach.
This definition has the huge advantage that it considers every single aspect of HipHop and approves a wide range of styles and diifrent approaches.the propossed version has a few advantages:It actually allows you to put Gangsta Rap,and Conscious/Afrocentric hip hop in one and the same definition without any further specifying in the initial definition.
Consciousness:When people claim they "are hip hop "or do "hip hop" how else can you approve or deny it if not by the the things that actually form the culture? Interaction:Refers to battles or putting different elements together,for instance emceeing and deejaying which is the most common combination. understanding:is maybe less clear.it pays hommage to "knowledge" which is often referred to as the 5th element of HipHop.this is a typical Zulu Nation Approach though so you might contest it.
i do agree that the global definition would be better place in hip hp
I'm not totally comfortable with the definition given here; how do we know where "hip hop" began? (No evidence is given in this article for the claim that it began in NYC, partly because the definition of hip hop you give here is almost circular -- "a cultural movement which began among African Americans in New York City in the 1970s" -- but -- what is it?). Note that DJing and rapping had been going on before the 70's in Jamaica. Furthermore, it is my understanding that not all of the founding fathers of Hip Hop in New York were African American. Finally, trying to define hip hop only in terms of its "four components" seems to be way too limiting. Tue Jan 25 11:26:42 2005
I am working on small, but significant copyedits and corrections in the article (e.g.) Kurtis Blow being the first accused of selling out, not LL Cool J, removing the D'Angelo sample as this is a hip-hop article, not a soul or nu soul article, etc.). There is also a bit of subtle POV in places, which has been taken care of.
Also, the sample list needs to be ordered in ascending chronological order, from oldest to new, not the reverse. If I get enough time, I will add a sample from " Rapper's Delight" (which I am suprised to find is not here).
-- b. Touch 16:58, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I removed this:
You could say it's similar to what later became known as "rapping", or, more accurately, MCing in hip hop, but this song is no more of an influence than any other monotonically-phrased song pre- 1970. For example, the Warner Bros. cartoon short Coal Black and de Sebben Dwarfs from 1942 is FILLED with what one might term "rapping", but hip-hop's influences are from West Africa, the West Indies (specifically Jamaica), and artists like James Brown and Gil Scott-Heron.
-- b. Touch 02:19, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I feel the need to point out that although the genres are often mixed, rapping is not an essential part of Hip-Hop. "Yeah!" by Usher definetely mixes dance beats with Ludacris rapping, and it can be called Hip-Hop/Rap. Most of the time Eminem and Jay-Z types are rapping without really a beat to dance to, but a song like "Hey Ya!" by OutKast really has no rapping in it.
I am not sure if I fully agree with you interpretation of the two. Rap as I remember was distinct from Hip-Hop, in that Hip-Hop was the commercialization of the genre. Rapping has always been about spitting rhymes about something significant such as "The Message (Grandmaster Flash and Furious Five)" and "Keep Your Head Up (2pac)". Hip Hop, the commercialization includes such songs (1) as "Rappers Delight (The Sugar Hill Gang)" and "Get Low (Lil John)" (2) clothing such as Addidas, Filas etc. tennis shoes, brand named polyester/rayon Jump Suits, exceptional large gold jewelry (3) Dances like break dancing, Popping, Moon walking, Body Rock etc. (4) Speech Mannerism: it began with an emphasis on articulation (e.g. Kool Moe Dee) and then devolved into hard slang and neo-jive (Do in part to the mainstream success of NWA).-- MPA
What on earth is a " percussion break"? If someone who knows could create an article, that would be great! Even a stub would be fine :-) Ta bu shi da yu 01:07, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Should the article uses emcee and DJ, but it should be consistant using either emcee and deejay or MC and DJ-- Clawed 01:13, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
So, who feels like compeating against my wikical lyrical prowless? >:) add all my articles to your page son, they simply flawless...
Cuz hip-hop, you're the love of my life... Baduizm
Project2501a 08:58, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
PS: slamming (rapping accapella) does not appear in the main article. Neither do Onyx or Saul Williams. Should I make those changes?
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I have removed the below for various reasons, most importantly because this is not the place for it. We have lists (and categories) which collect the names of hip hop musicians, and placing them here is unwieldy and unuseful. Tuf-Kat 00:00, Feb 8, 2005 (UTC)
Hip-hop artists who have recorded hip-hop music in various countries and languages include the following:
Under the heading of 2000s, it is mentioned that "it was not until the sudden breakthrough success of the hard-edged 50 Cent that hardcore hip hop returned to the pop charts," when it was actually Dr. Dre's re-emergence with 2001 and production of G-Unit that brought back hardcore hip hop. - Stephen Lauer 3/4/5 1:03PM
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"While many remember the white teens shouting "disco sucks" at every available opportunity, often in racist and homophobic contexts"
[/snip]
What's this all about? I remember "disco sucks" being aimed at the white/grey co-op (think Disk Clark) on a top-40 level. But the underground & club beats were treated with nothing but awe by anyone I ever knew. Sounds like lefty fundamentalism. Though I lived in the South at the time, and from my experience nothing in the South could hold a candle to racism I saw when I first traveled to the North Eastern states.
Some anon changed the numbers around for the sale figuress for eminem & nelly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Hip_hop_music&diff=0&oldid=15321578
anybody know what the real numbers are?
Project2501a 07:55, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
We got your wiki tapped, what you gonna do?
cuz sooner or later we gonna rv your whole crew
all we need now is right admit or two
to make all our articles stick like glue
"They take your drawers off for you, they show your ass, they sell bullshit, they call themselves 'niggaz' and the women 'bitches' and 'hos' and it's fine with everybody. That's what the essence of decadence is." - Wynton Marsalis [1]
Sounds to me someone hasn't heard any of the new stuff by Restoring Poetry to Music *poetry bum* (thank you CryptoDerk) or someone didn't have his Jazzmatazz this morning. :D Project2501a 20:49, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
{{ dj-stub}} Though i'd let you guys know :) Project2501a 20:49, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
While I would have agree with this 20 years ago, Breakdancing and Grafitti, as it relates to Hip Hop has long since been defunct.
Every few years breakdancing and popping will bounce back as a fad, but then quickly die hard.
I think that we should insert somewhere that these were of historical significance, as opposed to making me believe that the author got his information from movies such as "Breakin'".-- MPA
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The wiki for hip hop is completely the I have read on the wiki pages. There are no references to any of the classic hip hop stars. Basically every music reference on the page can be replaced with something alot better. I see no Sugar Hill, Grand Master Flash, Tribe Called Quest, Pharside, .... the list just goes on and on. Grouping "gansta rap" inside the same page as hip hop is defeating the point entirely. Mostly in my opinion this is an article about MTVs greatest hits.
Hip hop isn't music or a person. It is a culture. It is a way of dress, of life, and living. Hip-hop and Rap are entirely different things. It is an absolute travesty that one can say that that one is another name for the other. Hip-hop is a type of groove based around swung semiquavers and emphasis on beats 2 and 4 of the bar. Rap is a vocal technique applying rhythm to spoken words. Rap can appear in any type of music, hip-hop is just one of them. RnB also has rap. So does Garage, Drum'n'Bass, Hard House and Techno and it would be foolish to rule out anything else one may care to name. Hip-hop doesn't have to have any rapping in it to be hip-hop. If it's got a hip-hop groove, clever manipulation of samples, jazzy vibes, scratches, it's hip-hop. Hip-hop evolved from jazz, so don't be surprised to hear hip-hop with horns playing the main melody, or having a sung vocal line for that matter. Most of the gangster rap music heard today is about as far removed from hip-hop as it is from smooth jazz. It contains very few of the same elements - the beats are minimal, there is very little rhythmic drive, there is rarely more than one sample used and it's not used very creatively and the rapping is often in front of the beat and the rhythmic feel straight. It's more like poetry with sound-effects than rapping in front of an upbeat driving bouncing groove, which is what hip-hop is all about. Please can someone choose to write one article about hip-hop while another chooses to write about rap? It's true that rap came from hip-hop long before it expanded into other genres but in the context of the present you can't talk about both as if they're the same thing because rap has moved in all sorts of different directions while hip-hop is and always will be hip-hop, with or without rap. |
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Put some full lyrics to rap music please and name this article rap instead of hip hop as rap is different from hip hop I love rap music ( talk) 18:28, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
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DJ Kool Herc. Clive Campbell (born 16 April 1955), better known by his stage name DJ Kool Herc, is a Jamaican American DJ who is credited with originating hip hop music in the early 1970s in The Bronx, New York City. 202.67.81.217 ( talk) 06:16, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
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Hello, I think we should add more things to this hip-hop page explaining how hip-hop is evolving and adding more recent events to this hip-hop page. One thing that happened recently was that cardi b a female rapper had a solo number 1 record on the billboard which would be the second female to do so. We should continue to update this page with more recent events that are happening in hip-hop.
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though rapping is not a required component of hip hop music; the genre may also incorporate other elements of hip hop culture, including DJing, turntablism, scratching, beatboxing, instrumental tracks, and singing. robstaf ( talk) 19:52, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
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Hello, I would like to propose that a criticism section be added to the Hip Hop music page.
There are two Wikipedia articles that pertain to this subject. The first article is titled Misogyny_in_rap_music and the second article is titled Homophobia_in_hip_hop_culture. I am providing links to those articles below.
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I believe a new criticism section is the appropriate place for these articles. Since these are entire articles, perhaps they could be added to the See Also section instead if not a separate new criticism section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiperson777 ( talk • contribs)
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The sentence "Herc created the blueprint for hip hop music and culture by building upon the Jamaican tradition of impromptu toasting, a spoken type of boastful poetry and speech over music" should be removed. Kool Herc himself denies this link (in the 1984 book Hip Hop), saying, "Jamaican toasting? Naw, naw. No connection there. I couldn't play reggae in the Bronx. People wouldn't accept it. The inspiration for rap is James Brown and the album Hustler's Convention".[1] Herc also suggests he was too young while in Jamaica to get into sound system parties: "I couldn't get in. Couldn't get in. I was ten, eleven years old,"[2] and that while in Jamaica, he was listening to James Brown: "I was listening to American music in Jamaica and my favorite artist was James Brown. That's who inspired me. A lot of the records I played were by James Brown."[3]
1. "Hip Hop: The Illustrated History of Break Dancing, Rap Music, and Graffiti", by Steven Hager, 1984, St Martin's Press, p. 45. 2. "Kool Herc". DJhistory.com. Archived from the original on June 1, 2015. Retrieved January 27, 2014. 3. "Davey D's Hip-Hop Corner". Retrieved December 20, 2005. 2601:406:5000:1B45:6CE1:6B3D:FD0E:6589 ( talk) 06:02, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
There is a clear consensus to support the proposal to do a "move-rename of this page to "History of hip hop music" and linked creation of a new 'Hip hop music" article'.
This article is long and has a large focus on the history of hip-hop music. As articles are meant to be encyclopedic, this content is too dense and it may be worth looking into splitting some of it off into a new article (e.g. "Origins of hip hop music" or "History of hip hop music").
It is helpful to put yourself into the shoes of the average viewer. I would wager to guess that someone looking for an encyclopedic article on hip hop music 'might' not want to read 20,000 words on the intricate and detailed history of the genre. This article needs generalization.
Let's RfC on a possible future preparation and move-rename of this page to "History of hip hop music" and linked creation of a new "Hip hop music" article. This would take a while, of course. Let me know what you think. - Dmezh ( talk) 06:13, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
In it's current form, the large majority of this article is unsourced theorizing, riffs, tangents, etc, that wouldn't be accepted in any other article of similar importance (and lets not minimize that; this is an important article. To allow it to exist in this condition is sad). Requesting suggestions on how to go about dealing with this mess without causing a bunch of butthurt, edit wars, etc since slash-and-burn editing is the only option I can see that would begin to bring this article up to Wikipedia policy standards. Musicology1 ( talk) 16:28, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
I thought that this article was pretty informative and provided a better generalization of hip-hop music for me. I found new facts I hadn't known about before. I believe the article can be corrected and revised by providing more examples of the different type of rap and explaining them in detail. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wpojim ( talk • contribs) 21:10, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
When Long Island Rapper Top Ninjacame on the rap scene it was all different. His style was like no other rapper. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ci189215 ( talk • contribs) 14:00, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
The key idea of this source was to inform readers that rap music is more than music, and we have to look at the other ways it can benefit us. The article explains that it can be a way for the black community to discuss the serious issues we face. I can use it for my source because it can serve as a counter-argument for anyone opposing rap music. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wpojim ( talk • contribs) 21:09, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
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hi i need help i cant breakdance as i dont know how to do it i want tol earn at home is there anyone that can give me a good website or give me good instructions to do a cool move a video willhaelp
Rap and Hip Hop are not synonyms.
If Rap Music is a synomyn for Hip Hop Music, then why is " One Mic" both a rap and Hip Hop song, whilst " Peaches and Cream" is only a Hip Hop Song, but not a rap song? I know the answer. The point is that Rap Music is a genre independent from Hip Hop. You can easily record a rap song without recording a Hip Hop song_ don't ya' think!!! ~Jack D. 4:14 UTC 8/1/04
Queen's 1979 single " Another One Bites The Dust" has been classified as hip-hop by various critics. As such, the song may represent some of the first influences of the genre on mainstream music outside of North America." Where can this fit in anyone?
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Aye, Another One Bites The Dust also sounds like an old school hip hop bass to me. Guess you (we/someone) should find more data about the song and start an stub about it. And mention which critics.
Besides, we might include it in a section of tha Hip hop music page on influences of hip hop on pop, r&b, ragga, rock, nu metal and other music fussions.--
Erri4a 18:19, 7 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Why shouldn't {{hiphop}} be included in the article? The article is about part of hip hop after all. Tim Ivorson 09:55, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Tuf-Kat, one of your recent edits added, "... thrash metal and hip hop (called hardcore)." I'm not sure that this is accurate. The linked article makes no mention of metal. Tim Ivorson 23:24, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)
This is mostly a self-nom. Tuf-Kat 23:32, Oct 16, 2004 (UTC)
This article has become a constant victim of vandalism lately. Tuf-Kat 04:36, Oct 29, 2004 (UTC)
"Hip hop music is a popular style of music. It is composed of two parts: rapping (emceeing) and DJing; along with breakdancing and graffiti art, these are the four components of hip hop, a cultural movement which began among African Americans in New York City in the 1970s. The term rap is sometimes used synonymously with hip hop music, though it is also used to refer specifically to the practice of rapping, which is just one component of hip hop music"
Hip hop as a cultural movement is not defined.There's a pretty correct and useful definition for Hip hop culture:
"Hiphop is defined as the mode of consciousness, interaction and understanding that flows forth from it's four most developed and basic elements:
Emceeing, B-Boying,Graffiti Art, and Djying." <--- wwww.hiphopcongress.com
Therefore the article should start like this:
Hip hop or [rap] music is a popular style of music belonging to the cultural movement called Hiphop which is usually defined as the mode of consciousness, interaction and understanding thatflows forth from it's four most developed and basic elements:
Emceeing,Djing,Graffiti Art an B-Boying (Breakdancing)
IMO this would create a better more general approach.
This definition has the huge advantage that it considers every single aspect of HipHop and approves a wide range of styles and diifrent approaches.the propossed version has a few advantages:It actually allows you to put Gangsta Rap,and Conscious/Afrocentric hip hop in one and the same definition without any further specifying in the initial definition.
Consciousness:When people claim they "are hip hop "or do "hip hop" how else can you approve or deny it if not by the the things that actually form the culture? Interaction:Refers to battles or putting different elements together,for instance emceeing and deejaying which is the most common combination. understanding:is maybe less clear.it pays hommage to "knowledge" which is often referred to as the 5th element of HipHop.this is a typical Zulu Nation Approach though so you might contest it.
i do agree that the global definition would be better place in hip hp
I'm not totally comfortable with the definition given here; how do we know where "hip hop" began? (No evidence is given in this article for the claim that it began in NYC, partly because the definition of hip hop you give here is almost circular -- "a cultural movement which began among African Americans in New York City in the 1970s" -- but -- what is it?). Note that DJing and rapping had been going on before the 70's in Jamaica. Furthermore, it is my understanding that not all of the founding fathers of Hip Hop in New York were African American. Finally, trying to define hip hop only in terms of its "four components" seems to be way too limiting. Tue Jan 25 11:26:42 2005
I am working on small, but significant copyedits and corrections in the article (e.g.) Kurtis Blow being the first accused of selling out, not LL Cool J, removing the D'Angelo sample as this is a hip-hop article, not a soul or nu soul article, etc.). There is also a bit of subtle POV in places, which has been taken care of.
Also, the sample list needs to be ordered in ascending chronological order, from oldest to new, not the reverse. If I get enough time, I will add a sample from " Rapper's Delight" (which I am suprised to find is not here).
-- b. Touch 16:58, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I removed this:
You could say it's similar to what later became known as "rapping", or, more accurately, MCing in hip hop, but this song is no more of an influence than any other monotonically-phrased song pre- 1970. For example, the Warner Bros. cartoon short Coal Black and de Sebben Dwarfs from 1942 is FILLED with what one might term "rapping", but hip-hop's influences are from West Africa, the West Indies (specifically Jamaica), and artists like James Brown and Gil Scott-Heron.
-- b. Touch 02:19, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I feel the need to point out that although the genres are often mixed, rapping is not an essential part of Hip-Hop. "Yeah!" by Usher definetely mixes dance beats with Ludacris rapping, and it can be called Hip-Hop/Rap. Most of the time Eminem and Jay-Z types are rapping without really a beat to dance to, but a song like "Hey Ya!" by OutKast really has no rapping in it.
I am not sure if I fully agree with you interpretation of the two. Rap as I remember was distinct from Hip-Hop, in that Hip-Hop was the commercialization of the genre. Rapping has always been about spitting rhymes about something significant such as "The Message (Grandmaster Flash and Furious Five)" and "Keep Your Head Up (2pac)". Hip Hop, the commercialization includes such songs (1) as "Rappers Delight (The Sugar Hill Gang)" and "Get Low (Lil John)" (2) clothing such as Addidas, Filas etc. tennis shoes, brand named polyester/rayon Jump Suits, exceptional large gold jewelry (3) Dances like break dancing, Popping, Moon walking, Body Rock etc. (4) Speech Mannerism: it began with an emphasis on articulation (e.g. Kool Moe Dee) and then devolved into hard slang and neo-jive (Do in part to the mainstream success of NWA).-- MPA
What on earth is a " percussion break"? If someone who knows could create an article, that would be great! Even a stub would be fine :-) Ta bu shi da yu 01:07, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Should the article uses emcee and DJ, but it should be consistant using either emcee and deejay or MC and DJ-- Clawed 01:13, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
So, who feels like compeating against my wikical lyrical prowless? >:) add all my articles to your page son, they simply flawless...
Cuz hip-hop, you're the love of my life... Baduizm
Project2501a 08:58, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
PS: slamming (rapping accapella) does not appear in the main article. Neither do Onyx or Saul Williams. Should I make those changes?
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I have removed the below for various reasons, most importantly because this is not the place for it. We have lists (and categories) which collect the names of hip hop musicians, and placing them here is unwieldy and unuseful. Tuf-Kat 00:00, Feb 8, 2005 (UTC)
Hip-hop artists who have recorded hip-hop music in various countries and languages include the following:
Under the heading of 2000s, it is mentioned that "it was not until the sudden breakthrough success of the hard-edged 50 Cent that hardcore hip hop returned to the pop charts," when it was actually Dr. Dre's re-emergence with 2001 and production of G-Unit that brought back hardcore hip hop. - Stephen Lauer 3/4/5 1:03PM
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"While many remember the white teens shouting "disco sucks" at every available opportunity, often in racist and homophobic contexts"
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What's this all about? I remember "disco sucks" being aimed at the white/grey co-op (think Disk Clark) on a top-40 level. But the underground & club beats were treated with nothing but awe by anyone I ever knew. Sounds like lefty fundamentalism. Though I lived in the South at the time, and from my experience nothing in the South could hold a candle to racism I saw when I first traveled to the North Eastern states.
Some anon changed the numbers around for the sale figuress for eminem & nelly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Hip_hop_music&diff=0&oldid=15321578
anybody know what the real numbers are?
Project2501a 07:55, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
We got your wiki tapped, what you gonna do?
cuz sooner or later we gonna rv your whole crew
all we need now is right admit or two
to make all our articles stick like glue
"They take your drawers off for you, they show your ass, they sell bullshit, they call themselves 'niggaz' and the women 'bitches' and 'hos' and it's fine with everybody. That's what the essence of decadence is." - Wynton Marsalis [1]
Sounds to me someone hasn't heard any of the new stuff by Restoring Poetry to Music *poetry bum* (thank you CryptoDerk) or someone didn't have his Jazzmatazz this morning. :D Project2501a 20:49, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
{{ dj-stub}} Though i'd let you guys know :) Project2501a 20:49, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
While I would have agree with this 20 years ago, Breakdancing and Grafitti, as it relates to Hip Hop has long since been defunct.
Every few years breakdancing and popping will bounce back as a fad, but then quickly die hard.
I think that we should insert somewhere that these were of historical significance, as opposed to making me believe that the author got his information from movies such as "Breakin'".-- MPA
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The wiki for hip hop is completely the I have read on the wiki pages. There are no references to any of the classic hip hop stars. Basically every music reference on the page can be replaced with something alot better. I see no Sugar Hill, Grand Master Flash, Tribe Called Quest, Pharside, .... the list just goes on and on. Grouping "gansta rap" inside the same page as hip hop is defeating the point entirely. Mostly in my opinion this is an article about MTVs greatest hits.
Hip hop isn't music or a person. It is a culture. It is a way of dress, of life, and living. Hip-hop and Rap are entirely different things. It is an absolute travesty that one can say that that one is another name for the other. Hip-hop is a type of groove based around swung semiquavers and emphasis on beats 2 and 4 of the bar. Rap is a vocal technique applying rhythm to spoken words. Rap can appear in any type of music, hip-hop is just one of them. RnB also has rap. So does Garage, Drum'n'Bass, Hard House and Techno and it would be foolish to rule out anything else one may care to name. Hip-hop doesn't have to have any rapping in it to be hip-hop. If it's got a hip-hop groove, clever manipulation of samples, jazzy vibes, scratches, it's hip-hop. Hip-hop evolved from jazz, so don't be surprised to hear hip-hop with horns playing the main melody, or having a sung vocal line for that matter. Most of the gangster rap music heard today is about as far removed from hip-hop as it is from smooth jazz. It contains very few of the same elements - the beats are minimal, there is very little rhythmic drive, there is rarely more than one sample used and it's not used very creatively and the rapping is often in front of the beat and the rhythmic feel straight. It's more like poetry with sound-effects than rapping in front of an upbeat driving bouncing groove, which is what hip-hop is all about. Please can someone choose to write one article about hip-hop while another chooses to write about rap? It's true that rap came from hip-hop long before it expanded into other genres but in the context of the present you can't talk about both as if they're the same thing because rap has moved in all sorts of different directions while hip-hop is and always will be hip-hop, with or without rap. |
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Put some full lyrics to rap music please and name this article rap instead of hip hop as rap is different from hip hop I love rap music ( talk) 18:28, 11 May 2017 (UTC)
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DJ Kool Herc. Clive Campbell (born 16 April 1955), better known by his stage name DJ Kool Herc, is a Jamaican American DJ who is credited with originating hip hop music in the early 1970s in The Bronx, New York City. 202.67.81.217 ( talk) 06:16, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
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Hello, I think we should add more things to this hip-hop page explaining how hip-hop is evolving and adding more recent events to this hip-hop page. One thing that happened recently was that cardi b a female rapper had a solo number 1 record on the billboard which would be the second female to do so. We should continue to update this page with more recent events that are happening in hip-hop.
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though rapping is not a required component of hip hop music; the genre may also incorporate other elements of hip hop culture, including DJing, turntablism, scratching, beatboxing, instrumental tracks, and singing. robstaf ( talk) 19:52, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
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Hello, I would like to propose that a criticism section be added to the Hip Hop music page.
There are two Wikipedia articles that pertain to this subject. The first article is titled Misogyny_in_rap_music and the second article is titled Homophobia_in_hip_hop_culture. I am providing links to those articles below.
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I believe a new criticism section is the appropriate place for these articles. Since these are entire articles, perhaps they could be added to the See Also section instead if not a separate new criticism section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiperson777 ( talk • contribs)
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The sentence "Herc created the blueprint for hip hop music and culture by building upon the Jamaican tradition of impromptu toasting, a spoken type of boastful poetry and speech over music" should be removed. Kool Herc himself denies this link (in the 1984 book Hip Hop), saying, "Jamaican toasting? Naw, naw. No connection there. I couldn't play reggae in the Bronx. People wouldn't accept it. The inspiration for rap is James Brown and the album Hustler's Convention".[1] Herc also suggests he was too young while in Jamaica to get into sound system parties: "I couldn't get in. Couldn't get in. I was ten, eleven years old,"[2] and that while in Jamaica, he was listening to James Brown: "I was listening to American music in Jamaica and my favorite artist was James Brown. That's who inspired me. A lot of the records I played were by James Brown."[3]
1. "Hip Hop: The Illustrated History of Break Dancing, Rap Music, and Graffiti", by Steven Hager, 1984, St Martin's Press, p. 45. 2. "Kool Herc". DJhistory.com. Archived from the original on June 1, 2015. Retrieved January 27, 2014. 3. "Davey D's Hip-Hop Corner". Retrieved December 20, 2005. 2601:406:5000:1B45:6CE1:6B3D:FD0E:6589 ( talk) 06:02, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
There is a clear consensus to support the proposal to do a "move-rename of this page to "History of hip hop music" and linked creation of a new 'Hip hop music" article'.
This article is long and has a large focus on the history of hip-hop music. As articles are meant to be encyclopedic, this content is too dense and it may be worth looking into splitting some of it off into a new article (e.g. "Origins of hip hop music" or "History of hip hop music").
It is helpful to put yourself into the shoes of the average viewer. I would wager to guess that someone looking for an encyclopedic article on hip hop music 'might' not want to read 20,000 words on the intricate and detailed history of the genre. This article needs generalization.
Let's RfC on a possible future preparation and move-rename of this page to "History of hip hop music" and linked creation of a new "Hip hop music" article. This would take a while, of course. Let me know what you think. - Dmezh ( talk) 06:13, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
In it's current form, the large majority of this article is unsourced theorizing, riffs, tangents, etc, that wouldn't be accepted in any other article of similar importance (and lets not minimize that; this is an important article. To allow it to exist in this condition is sad). Requesting suggestions on how to go about dealing with this mess without causing a bunch of butthurt, edit wars, etc since slash-and-burn editing is the only option I can see that would begin to bring this article up to Wikipedia policy standards. Musicology1 ( talk) 16:28, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
I thought that this article was pretty informative and provided a better generalization of hip-hop music for me. I found new facts I hadn't known about before. I believe the article can be corrected and revised by providing more examples of the different type of rap and explaining them in detail. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wpojim ( talk • contribs) 21:10, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
When Long Island Rapper Top Ninjacame on the rap scene it was all different. His style was like no other rapper. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ci189215 ( talk • contribs) 14:00, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
The key idea of this source was to inform readers that rap music is more than music, and we have to look at the other ways it can benefit us. The article explains that it can be a way for the black community to discuss the serious issues we face. I can use it for my source because it can serve as a counter-argument for anyone opposing rap music. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wpojim ( talk • contribs) 21:09, 5 December 2018 (UTC)
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