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Isn't it called a highside, not a "highsider?"
- Yes it is. Also it's "lowside", not "lowsider". These two articles should be combined, since they are so closely related.
The external link "James R. Davies. Dynamics of the 'Highsider'. Retrieved on 2007-01-13." seems outdated. The adress gets redirected and the target of the redirect doesn't provide any useful information concerning the highside dynamics. I suggest to remove it. Powerman77 ( talk) 10:59, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
"slowly roll-on the throttle."
What does that mean? Its not self-explanatory. Tabby ( talk) 09:47, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Seems pretty clear to me. It means to slowly turn the throttle towards you (accelerate). 71.123.197.80 ( talk) 03:52, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
" If necessary, locking the front brake to deliberately cause a lowsider is recommended. "
I've never, ever heard this from any legitimate motorcycle safety source - the friction and braking coefficients of a sliding motorcycle vs one under braking are clearly in the favour of applying what braking force is possible to lower collision speeds.
This sounds a lot like the 'lay it down' advice wrongly circulated by many - the best way to avoid the crash is to stay in control all the time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.11.171.7 ( talk) 20:44, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
I completely agree, and I've removed it. tedder ( talk) 22:13, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
- When you are about to highside, the transition from slide to grip is near instantaneous. Even the best riders in the world have difficulty with this, so the best advice is to have a good photographer standing by. In fact, if you aren't sure you can regain full control, it is best to continue with a lowside, and not fight it. No mention was made of the fact that if you do it right, then you can actually land UNDER the bike. That HURTS...:-D 82.6.1.85 ( talk) 22:57, 5 November 2009 (UTC)Lancetyrell
"A highsider or highside is a type of motorcycle accident..." is incorrect. It's a type of "crash" not limited to motorcycles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.209.250.147 ( talk) 13:02, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
- It definitely isn't just motorbikes - here's a video of a highside crash on a pedal cycle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO4P533yp8g&feature=youtube_gdata_player
- I think it's because it's terminology only used amongst motorcyclists, not because it only happens to them. Most pedal cyclist crashes that don't involve another vehicle are lowsides, but we don't call it that unless it's a motorbike. -- Kookas ( talk) 04:22, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
"Forces occurring between the motorcycle and the road (such as accelerating, decelerating and turning) are transmitted by friction occurring at the contact patch. There is a limited amount of force that the contact patch can transmit before the tire begins to lose traction, and therefore slide/ skid."
Acceleration (or deceleration), and turning are not forces. They are changes in velocity, and they are caused by forces. Additionally, these forces are applied through both normal forces and friction. Finally, it may be better to say that the forces are applied to the vehicle through friction between the road and the tire at the tire's contact patch:
"Forces occurring between the motorcycle and the road (such as those that result in accelerating, decelerating and turning) occur at the contact patch through friction and normal forces. There is a limited amount of force tangential to the road that the contact patch can transmit before the tire begins to lose traction, and therefore slide/ skid." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.83.155.28 ( talk) 20:26, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
- Nice, done, and feel free to make such changes yourself. - AndrewDressel ( talk) 20:52, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
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Isn't it called a highside, not a "highsider?"
- Yes it is. Also it's "lowside", not "lowsider". These two articles should be combined, since they are so closely related.
The external link "James R. Davies. Dynamics of the 'Highsider'. Retrieved on 2007-01-13." seems outdated. The adress gets redirected and the target of the redirect doesn't provide any useful information concerning the highside dynamics. I suggest to remove it. Powerman77 ( talk) 10:59, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
"slowly roll-on the throttle."
What does that mean? Its not self-explanatory. Tabby ( talk) 09:47, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Seems pretty clear to me. It means to slowly turn the throttle towards you (accelerate). 71.123.197.80 ( talk) 03:52, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
" If necessary, locking the front brake to deliberately cause a lowsider is recommended. "
I've never, ever heard this from any legitimate motorcycle safety source - the friction and braking coefficients of a sliding motorcycle vs one under braking are clearly in the favour of applying what braking force is possible to lower collision speeds.
This sounds a lot like the 'lay it down' advice wrongly circulated by many - the best way to avoid the crash is to stay in control all the time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.11.171.7 ( talk) 20:44, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
I completely agree, and I've removed it. tedder ( talk) 22:13, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
- When you are about to highside, the transition from slide to grip is near instantaneous. Even the best riders in the world have difficulty with this, so the best advice is to have a good photographer standing by. In fact, if you aren't sure you can regain full control, it is best to continue with a lowside, and not fight it. No mention was made of the fact that if you do it right, then you can actually land UNDER the bike. That HURTS...:-D 82.6.1.85 ( talk) 22:57, 5 November 2009 (UTC)Lancetyrell
"A highsider or highside is a type of motorcycle accident..." is incorrect. It's a type of "crash" not limited to motorcycles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.209.250.147 ( talk) 13:02, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
- It definitely isn't just motorbikes - here's a video of a highside crash on a pedal cycle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UO4P533yp8g&feature=youtube_gdata_player
- I think it's because it's terminology only used amongst motorcyclists, not because it only happens to them. Most pedal cyclist crashes that don't involve another vehicle are lowsides, but we don't call it that unless it's a motorbike. -- Kookas ( talk) 04:22, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
"Forces occurring between the motorcycle and the road (such as accelerating, decelerating and turning) are transmitted by friction occurring at the contact patch. There is a limited amount of force that the contact patch can transmit before the tire begins to lose traction, and therefore slide/ skid."
Acceleration (or deceleration), and turning are not forces. They are changes in velocity, and they are caused by forces. Additionally, these forces are applied through both normal forces and friction. Finally, it may be better to say that the forces are applied to the vehicle through friction between the road and the tire at the tire's contact patch:
"Forces occurring between the motorcycle and the road (such as those that result in accelerating, decelerating and turning) occur at the contact patch through friction and normal forces. There is a limited amount of force tangential to the road that the contact patch can transmit before the tire begins to lose traction, and therefore slide/ skid." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.83.155.28 ( talk) 20:26, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
- Nice, done, and feel free to make such changes yourself. - AndrewDressel ( talk) 20:52, 9 September 2013 (UTC)