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Obviously this article is in its infancy and needs extensive fleshing out. I'd like to spotlight the differences in rules and culture in HS football vis a vis the college and pro game, as well as cover topics like recruitment of HS players and negative perceptions of HS football (i.e. jocks as bullies and perceived over-spending on sports vs. education). Variations such as 8-man and 9-man should also be covered.
I don't intend for it to link to this and that HS team although I do think that teams of national prominence should have their own pages, as should each state's interscholastic leagues. Someone has already given good coverage to HS football leagues in North Dakota. -- Abdulmakesfonts 17:00, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi all. I'm afraid there is a problem with the section
"High school football phenoms". There seems to be no criteria for inclusion in it. Some of the people included are mentioned because they set a record while playing in High School, whereas others are mentioned for setting a record as a professional or as a college player (and one even for a career record — Emmitt Smith). That is a problem because without some kind of verifiable criterion or criteria, the inclusion of a player in that list becomes a matter of personal opinion, namely that of each particular user who happened to include one name or names. The point of who is a "phenomenon" from high school football and would be worthy of mention in the article, as such, becomes highly subjective, and definitively dependent on a person's idea of who can be considered a "phenomenon" for having set a particular record while playing in High School or maybe only when playing in college or as a professional (and didn't even set a record while in High School — or at least a record that still stands). All of this means that this section is currently a violation of not just
one but
two policies of Wikipedia, and cannot be kept in the article as is.
This can be fixed by finding some kind of verifiable criterion, for instance listing the names of every athlete who still holds a high school record. That would, of course, mean the exclusion of some of the names listed at this time, and the inclusion of others.
That being the case, I would appreciate it if someone with a better understanding of the sport's organization would look into it and find a way that we can make this usable on Wikipedia. If that can't be done, I will remove the entire section in a few days, unfortunately.
On a side note, unless the word "phenom" is widely used when referring to record holders, or early distinguished athletes, it would really be better to
use the full-length word, in this case "phenomenon". We are, after all, an encyclopedia. Thanks,
Redux 20:19, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Please contribute your opinion to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of high school football rivalries (less than 100 years old). — Disavian ( talk/ contribs) 02:50, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
The lead has a Wikilink to gridiron football. The lead makes it clear that the article is about the US and Canada. There's an illustration to the right of the lead showing gridiron players. Do we really need to splice a note onto the top of the article to clarify that it refers to gridiron and not soccer? — C.Fred ( talk) 19:32, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
I think there should be a section that explains the HS Football ruels(if posssible). Rdrgz 93 ( talk) 01:44, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
I don't have time to fully embed it, but by participants, 11-man football is the most popular sport in the US. http://www.nfhs.org/web/2007/09/high_school_sports_participation.aspx — C.Fred ( talk) 04:25, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
In the intro it says that after ice hockey, football is one of the most popular high school sports in Canada. I believe Canadian high schools play more rugby than football. Or is this only on the west coast? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.82.139.166 ( talk) 23:21, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
I think rugby is more popular on the west coast. Ice hockey isn't played much in high schools in Canada, it is played in community leagues or at the junior level. I think basketball is probably the most popular high school sport in Canada in terms or number of schools with teams. 122.104.176.121 ( talk) 06:59, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
Is it just me, or is the list of external links starting to get awfully long? I think the national links are fine, but I also think it's not feasible - and beyond the scope of Wikipedia - to list a site (if not 2 or 3) for every state. Are there any objections if I pare the list down to just the nationals and get rid of the state-levels? — C.Fred ( talk) 22:13, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
Have any reliable sources mentioned anything negative about high school football? Just asking. Redddogg ( talk) 22:54, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
I think there may be more variation in the lenghth of the season and the starting date between different parts of the country than the article would seem to indicate. Is there a cite for the claim that the regular-season is 10-weeks long in "most" states? I'm not necessarily saying that this is wrong, but IME quite a few states have regular-seasons that last only 8 or 9 weeks. Also in some states, particularly in the north, the season may start in late August and conclude before the beginning of November. Johnsonkurtis ( talk) 00:51, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
To my great surprise, I was told that in Utah high schools, a person at the scrimmage line attempting to rush and tackle the quarterback must count aloud "1-alligator, 2-all..,...,5 alligator" before crossing the line. 198.189.194.129 ( talk) 20:16, 10 February 2012 (UTC)--I have reinserted this text, which was removed by someone who considered it dubious. I'm not saying it is true, but I can say it was true that I was told that from someone who believed it was true and that person had some credibility. Rich ( talk) 22:03, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
I personally know nothing about divisions so perhaps it's not possible to include a section on "High School Divisions"? Are they broken down differently in each state or is it a national categorization. I know there are terms like Division 1 or Division A (heck, I don't know...can someone clarify?) Thisisfutile ( talk) 17:14, 1 March 2014 (UTC)thisisfutile
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Obviously this article is in its infancy and needs extensive fleshing out. I'd like to spotlight the differences in rules and culture in HS football vis a vis the college and pro game, as well as cover topics like recruitment of HS players and negative perceptions of HS football (i.e. jocks as bullies and perceived over-spending on sports vs. education). Variations such as 8-man and 9-man should also be covered.
I don't intend for it to link to this and that HS team although I do think that teams of national prominence should have their own pages, as should each state's interscholastic leagues. Someone has already given good coverage to HS football leagues in North Dakota. -- Abdulmakesfonts 17:00, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
Hi all. I'm afraid there is a problem with the section
"High school football phenoms". There seems to be no criteria for inclusion in it. Some of the people included are mentioned because they set a record while playing in High School, whereas others are mentioned for setting a record as a professional or as a college player (and one even for a career record — Emmitt Smith). That is a problem because without some kind of verifiable criterion or criteria, the inclusion of a player in that list becomes a matter of personal opinion, namely that of each particular user who happened to include one name or names. The point of who is a "phenomenon" from high school football and would be worthy of mention in the article, as such, becomes highly subjective, and definitively dependent on a person's idea of who can be considered a "phenomenon" for having set a particular record while playing in High School or maybe only when playing in college or as a professional (and didn't even set a record while in High School — or at least a record that still stands). All of this means that this section is currently a violation of not just
one but
two policies of Wikipedia, and cannot be kept in the article as is.
This can be fixed by finding some kind of verifiable criterion, for instance listing the names of every athlete who still holds a high school record. That would, of course, mean the exclusion of some of the names listed at this time, and the inclusion of others.
That being the case, I would appreciate it if someone with a better understanding of the sport's organization would look into it and find a way that we can make this usable on Wikipedia. If that can't be done, I will remove the entire section in a few days, unfortunately.
On a side note, unless the word "phenom" is widely used when referring to record holders, or early distinguished athletes, it would really be better to
use the full-length word, in this case "phenomenon". We are, after all, an encyclopedia. Thanks,
Redux 20:19, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Please contribute your opinion to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of high school football rivalries (less than 100 years old). — Disavian ( talk/ contribs) 02:50, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
The lead has a Wikilink to gridiron football. The lead makes it clear that the article is about the US and Canada. There's an illustration to the right of the lead showing gridiron players. Do we really need to splice a note onto the top of the article to clarify that it refers to gridiron and not soccer? — C.Fred ( talk) 19:32, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
I think there should be a section that explains the HS Football ruels(if posssible). Rdrgz 93 ( talk) 01:44, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
I don't have time to fully embed it, but by participants, 11-man football is the most popular sport in the US. http://www.nfhs.org/web/2007/09/high_school_sports_participation.aspx — C.Fred ( talk) 04:25, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
In the intro it says that after ice hockey, football is one of the most popular high school sports in Canada. I believe Canadian high schools play more rugby than football. Or is this only on the west coast? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.82.139.166 ( talk) 23:21, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
I think rugby is more popular on the west coast. Ice hockey isn't played much in high schools in Canada, it is played in community leagues or at the junior level. I think basketball is probably the most popular high school sport in Canada in terms or number of schools with teams. 122.104.176.121 ( talk) 06:59, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
Is it just me, or is the list of external links starting to get awfully long? I think the national links are fine, but I also think it's not feasible - and beyond the scope of Wikipedia - to list a site (if not 2 or 3) for every state. Are there any objections if I pare the list down to just the nationals and get rid of the state-levels? — C.Fred ( talk) 22:13, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
Have any reliable sources mentioned anything negative about high school football? Just asking. Redddogg ( talk) 22:54, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
I think there may be more variation in the lenghth of the season and the starting date between different parts of the country than the article would seem to indicate. Is there a cite for the claim that the regular-season is 10-weeks long in "most" states? I'm not necessarily saying that this is wrong, but IME quite a few states have regular-seasons that last only 8 or 9 weeks. Also in some states, particularly in the north, the season may start in late August and conclude before the beginning of November. Johnsonkurtis ( talk) 00:51, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
To my great surprise, I was told that in Utah high schools, a person at the scrimmage line attempting to rush and tackle the quarterback must count aloud "1-alligator, 2-all..,...,5 alligator" before crossing the line. 198.189.194.129 ( talk) 20:16, 10 February 2012 (UTC)--I have reinserted this text, which was removed by someone who considered it dubious. I'm not saying it is true, but I can say it was true that I was told that from someone who believed it was true and that person had some credibility. Rich ( talk) 22:03, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
I personally know nothing about divisions so perhaps it's not possible to include a section on "High School Divisions"? Are they broken down differently in each state or is it a national categorization. I know there are terms like Division 1 or Division A (heck, I don't know...can someone clarify?) Thisisfutile ( talk) 17:14, 1 March 2014 (UTC)thisisfutile
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