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Much of this article is unsourced and the term is being applied to many figures with no sources for that application. I am concerned it serves more to illustrate a contributers opinion of the people than wider linking of them with this term. RafikiSykes ( talk) 23:49, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
As the subject suggested, Enoch Powell was not a High Tory. The fact that he has been described as a Thatcherite before Thatcher gives the game away a bit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.4.154.50 ( talk) 21:36, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
So, we want sources for Powell et al? Let me pull some books off the shelf. Simon Heffer, Powell's official biographer, refers to his subject as a High Tory, and there are references in Like the Roman to Powell himself describing himself as such. Jonathan Aitken mentions Alan Clark as a member of "high Tory circles" in Margaret Thatcher: Power and Personality. Anthony Burgess declares himself a high--indeed Jacobite!--Tory imperialist in his Paris Review interview. Keith Delory Lowe, in Evelyn Waugh: Man Against History, refers to Waugh's inability to "transcend sufficiently the High Tory Catholic world-view." Anyone who wants to use Google to track down links and so on (I'm hopeless at Wiki formatting) should do so. 72.192.207.217 ( talk) 21:30, 30 September 2013 (UTC)stealstrash
I think you are reading too much into the lack of a capital letter in Aitken. Look at those names. He's talking about the old guard of reactionary High Tories who were tepid at best about Mrs. T. Goodness, have you even been able to read this as-yet UNPUBLISHED book, which is sitting on my desk in galley form at the moment? This is why Wikipedia isn't worth reading: a disastrous, if sometimes hilarious, niggling attitude on the part of contributors who insist that something as obvious as the High Toryism of people like Powell, Clark, et al is somehow in grave doubt. 70.174.155.35 ( talk) 08:55, 3 October 2013 (UTC)stealstrash
Look: if you don't understand why High Tories (I did not say Clark specifically: again, STOP TALKING ABOUT A BOOK THAT YOU HAVEN'T READ) were not big fans of Mrs. T., then you don't know enough about British cultural and political history to be editing this article. Were you reading the Spectator, Private Eye, or the Telegraph in the '80s? Do you remember people like Andrew Wilson and Auberon Waugh and Peter Simple (Michael Wharton) denouncing her? The term nowhere means "progressive." Christ in heaven. Go edit an article about video games. 70.174.155.35 ( talk) 15:48, 4 October 2013 (UTC)stealstrash
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Much of this article is unsourced and the term is being applied to many figures with no sources for that application. I am concerned it serves more to illustrate a contributers opinion of the people than wider linking of them with this term. RafikiSykes ( talk) 23:49, 29 December 2011 (UTC)
As the subject suggested, Enoch Powell was not a High Tory. The fact that he has been described as a Thatcherite before Thatcher gives the game away a bit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.4.154.50 ( talk) 21:36, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
So, we want sources for Powell et al? Let me pull some books off the shelf. Simon Heffer, Powell's official biographer, refers to his subject as a High Tory, and there are references in Like the Roman to Powell himself describing himself as such. Jonathan Aitken mentions Alan Clark as a member of "high Tory circles" in Margaret Thatcher: Power and Personality. Anthony Burgess declares himself a high--indeed Jacobite!--Tory imperialist in his Paris Review interview. Keith Delory Lowe, in Evelyn Waugh: Man Against History, refers to Waugh's inability to "transcend sufficiently the High Tory Catholic world-view." Anyone who wants to use Google to track down links and so on (I'm hopeless at Wiki formatting) should do so. 72.192.207.217 ( talk) 21:30, 30 September 2013 (UTC)stealstrash
I think you are reading too much into the lack of a capital letter in Aitken. Look at those names. He's talking about the old guard of reactionary High Tories who were tepid at best about Mrs. T. Goodness, have you even been able to read this as-yet UNPUBLISHED book, which is sitting on my desk in galley form at the moment? This is why Wikipedia isn't worth reading: a disastrous, if sometimes hilarious, niggling attitude on the part of contributors who insist that something as obvious as the High Toryism of people like Powell, Clark, et al is somehow in grave doubt. 70.174.155.35 ( talk) 08:55, 3 October 2013 (UTC)stealstrash
Look: if you don't understand why High Tories (I did not say Clark specifically: again, STOP TALKING ABOUT A BOOK THAT YOU HAVEN'T READ) were not big fans of Mrs. T., then you don't know enough about British cultural and political history to be editing this article. Were you reading the Spectator, Private Eye, or the Telegraph in the '80s? Do you remember people like Andrew Wilson and Auberon Waugh and Peter Simple (Michael Wharton) denouncing her? The term nowhere means "progressive." Christ in heaven. Go edit an article about video games. 70.174.155.35 ( talk) 15:48, 4 October 2013 (UTC)stealstrash