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This article could use a little balancing, for instance to note the dire situation of the Inuit in Nunavik, facing starvation and totally dependent on welfare at the time. Right now it reads as an inexplicable and unforgivable crime. That may be apparent with the benefit of hindsight, but the situation is not so clear as this article makes it out to be. An excellent treatment of this can be found in Tammarniit (mistakes) (F. Tester, P. Kolchyski). A large part of the book is online. Franamax ( talk) 19:13, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
It's strange that the title "Human flagpoles" is never explained, nor even mentioned, in the article. Also that title is extremely POV, presupposing that the only motivation was a sovereignty exercise. We need to find something more neutral. How about "Inuit settlement relocation"? That way the article can be eventually expanded to cover less controversial relocation incidents. Indefatigable ( talk) 22:24, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
I have been doing some research into the relocations with the hope of expanding this article. I have already made a brief start, as you can see. I have access to newspaper archives not available on the web, and have been looking at the newspaper reports that came out at the same time as the Royal Commission report. I have been somewhat surprised to note that the quoted phrase "one of the worst human rights violations in the history of Canada" appears nowhere in any of the contemporaneous reports: I would have thought that such strong statement would have been extensively quoted in the media at the time of the report, but it was not, either then or subsequently. Nor is it included in any books etc that I have google searched. Other searches suggest that this phrase, attributed to the Royal Commission, begins to appear on the internet only after Melanie McGrath's book appeared in 2006, often is quoted in reviews of her book. [4] I am starting to wonder if this quote is accurate. I think we need to check out the Report itself to confirm that this statement is made. Does anybody have access to it? I may be able to check myself in a week or two, but if anybody else can help check it would be great. -- Slp1 ( talk) 13:10, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Excellent work both of you. I wonder if it is possible to include the quote and who said it in this article without going into OR. It might be possible to say something like
"In her book The Long Exile Melanie McGrath quotes co-chair René Dussault as saying it was "...one of the worst human rights violations in the history of Canada...". In the Ottawa Citizen April 6, 1993, reporter Jack Aubry said that it "may be judged one of the worst human rights violations in the history of Canada"."
Both statements can be sourced and even though Aubry is a minor character the quote has a life of its own and appears to be attributed to the wrong person but it's up to the reader to decide. What can't be said in the article is that McGrath got it wrong. Slp1, above you wrote "...paper went on to quote Dussault's co-chair, Bertha Wilson, telling...". Was that only in the book or did you also see it in the paper. The reason I'm curious is that according to A Word from Commissioners Dussault and Erasmus were the co-chairs and Wilson was a memeber of the commission. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 22:06, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
May or may not be worthy of a new section header - anyway, I've added a new paragraph [6] to the lede to attempt a summarization of the issues which I believe can all be found in the article body. Please hack away at it!! Franamax ( talk) 03:44, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Quote: The settlements were near to military outposts, e.g. Canadian Forces Services Alert, which were instrumental in the Distant Early Warning Line, set up to intercept radio signals from the USSR.
-- Kevlar ( talk • contribs) 18:04, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
Hi, just tagged the lede as this article appears to be well-written and well referenced but the claim and counter-claim in the lede's second paragraph really should be reffed. Could someone who knows the subject/sources correctly ref the two conflicting claims in the lede? CaptainScreebo Parley! 16:44, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
The para on "the move" refers to three locations, but it appears there were two, called Grise Fiord and Resolute? Hugo999 ( talk) 07:08, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
In the "New communities" section towards the end the following statement appears: "Flaherty did not attempt to help the families, most likely as he had died in 1951, prior to the relocation". This seems a slightly odd statement, while he very well may not have helped them in any event, his being dead was certainly an absolute bar to providing any help. I am going to reword it as ",however, Flaherty had died in 1951, prior to the relocation." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.6.2.254 ( talk) 10:27, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for this monument -- Kmoksy ( talk) 21:04, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
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This article could use a little balancing, for instance to note the dire situation of the Inuit in Nunavik, facing starvation and totally dependent on welfare at the time. Right now it reads as an inexplicable and unforgivable crime. That may be apparent with the benefit of hindsight, but the situation is not so clear as this article makes it out to be. An excellent treatment of this can be found in Tammarniit (mistakes) (F. Tester, P. Kolchyski). A large part of the book is online. Franamax ( talk) 19:13, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
It's strange that the title "Human flagpoles" is never explained, nor even mentioned, in the article. Also that title is extremely POV, presupposing that the only motivation was a sovereignty exercise. We need to find something more neutral. How about "Inuit settlement relocation"? That way the article can be eventually expanded to cover less controversial relocation incidents. Indefatigable ( talk) 22:24, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
I have been doing some research into the relocations with the hope of expanding this article. I have already made a brief start, as you can see. I have access to newspaper archives not available on the web, and have been looking at the newspaper reports that came out at the same time as the Royal Commission report. I have been somewhat surprised to note that the quoted phrase "one of the worst human rights violations in the history of Canada" appears nowhere in any of the contemporaneous reports: I would have thought that such strong statement would have been extensively quoted in the media at the time of the report, but it was not, either then or subsequently. Nor is it included in any books etc that I have google searched. Other searches suggest that this phrase, attributed to the Royal Commission, begins to appear on the internet only after Melanie McGrath's book appeared in 2006, often is quoted in reviews of her book. [4] I am starting to wonder if this quote is accurate. I think we need to check out the Report itself to confirm that this statement is made. Does anybody have access to it? I may be able to check myself in a week or two, but if anybody else can help check it would be great. -- Slp1 ( talk) 13:10, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Excellent work both of you. I wonder if it is possible to include the quote and who said it in this article without going into OR. It might be possible to say something like
"In her book The Long Exile Melanie McGrath quotes co-chair René Dussault as saying it was "...one of the worst human rights violations in the history of Canada...". In the Ottawa Citizen April 6, 1993, reporter Jack Aubry said that it "may be judged one of the worst human rights violations in the history of Canada"."
Both statements can be sourced and even though Aubry is a minor character the quote has a life of its own and appears to be attributed to the wrong person but it's up to the reader to decide. What can't be said in the article is that McGrath got it wrong. Slp1, above you wrote "...paper went on to quote Dussault's co-chair, Bertha Wilson, telling...". Was that only in the book or did you also see it in the paper. The reason I'm curious is that according to A Word from Commissioners Dussault and Erasmus were the co-chairs and Wilson was a memeber of the commission. CambridgeBayWeather Have a gorilla 22:06, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
May or may not be worthy of a new section header - anyway, I've added a new paragraph [6] to the lede to attempt a summarization of the issues which I believe can all be found in the article body. Please hack away at it!! Franamax ( talk) 03:44, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
Quote: The settlements were near to military outposts, e.g. Canadian Forces Services Alert, which were instrumental in the Distant Early Warning Line, set up to intercept radio signals from the USSR.
-- Kevlar ( talk • contribs) 18:04, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
Hi, just tagged the lede as this article appears to be well-written and well referenced but the claim and counter-claim in the lede's second paragraph really should be reffed. Could someone who knows the subject/sources correctly ref the two conflicting claims in the lede? CaptainScreebo Parley! 16:44, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
The para on "the move" refers to three locations, but it appears there were two, called Grise Fiord and Resolute? Hugo999 ( talk) 07:08, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
In the "New communities" section towards the end the following statement appears: "Flaherty did not attempt to help the families, most likely as he had died in 1951, prior to the relocation". This seems a slightly odd statement, while he very well may not have helped them in any event, his being dead was certainly an absolute bar to providing any help. I am going to reword it as ",however, Flaherty had died in 1951, prior to the relocation." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.6.2.254 ( talk) 10:27, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for this monument -- Kmoksy ( talk) 21:04, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
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