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HALO stands for "High Altitude Low Opening"
Question- have read in certain fictions that a High altitude parachutist might have scuba equipment, allowing them to land in the water, cut off parachute equipment, and thus continue insertaion submerged. Is the even possible? Wouldn't the Double change in pressure (low pressure from high altitude, to increased preassure submerged) present EXTRA health risks TOO risky
69.23.124.142 ( talk) 19:25, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
In a typical HALO exercise, the parachuter will jump from the aircraft, free-fall for a few seconds and open his parachute at a low altitude. Doesn't it take a couple of minutes to drop from 20,000ft to HALO chute opening altitude? DJ Clayworth 04:03, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Freefall for military purposes is usually in the 60-65 second range for HALO. Jumps can be as high as the mission dictates if oxygen is used, and the normal opening altitude is around 4,000 feet. HAHO jumps vary greatly based on the mission because of the navigational concerns. There is very little freefall, but the time in the chute until landing can routinely exceed 20 minutes. Great book on the subject is Code Name: Copperhead, Sgt. Maj. Joe R. Garner's autobio with Avrum M. Fine. The birth of MFF and the formation of the Golden Knights are also discussed in it. ConciergeMike 22:43, 2 March 2006 (UTC)ConciergeMike
As with all skydiving, participants run the risk of parachute failure, resulting in instantaneous death upon contact with the ground. That's somewhat... obvious. Although I have heard of some cases where people lived falls from planes, but perhaps at a lower altitude that a HA type jump. -- 68.13.59.58 04:45, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
In response to the request for expert assistance I emailed the POC for this site: http://www.batnet.com/mfwright/miljump.html to see if he would be interested in assisting with this article. Unfortunately he checked the site after it had been vandalized (12:10, 1 June 2006). Because of the persistant vandalism, I don't believe he's interested in editing the site, but there may be some information from his site that may be of use in developing the article, if corroborated. 71.113.73.83 08:52, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
"HALO and HAHO are acronyms that describe methods of delivering personnel, equipment, and supplies from a transport aircraft at a high altitude via free-fall parachute insertion. HALO stands for High Altitude-Low Opening, and is also known as Military Free Fall (MFF). HAHO stands for High Altitude-High Opening."
Would this be untrue?
If not, then would someone familiar with the topic clarify the military line in the HELO disambig page? MrZaius talk 03:30, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I also cleaned up the section on AAD's. The maximum vertical speed differs greatly depending on AAD manufacturer and model. I also took the Cypres reference out. I don't think it's fair to name a specific brand when they aren't the only (or even most popular) AAD manufacturer out there.
Boots that offer ankle support are no longer used. They were used in the days of round parachutes. Military personnel wear boots because it is a uniform requirement
I changed the oxygen requirements. They were just plain wrong.
Also, as a matter of syntax. It it not "chute" it's a canopy. It can also be called just a "main" or a "reserve." No one in the skydiving world calls their canopy a "chute." RWgirl 19:36, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I think I got over zealous changing parachutist. HALO jumpers were baing called parachutists as well. "Find and Replace" works too well.
How about jumpers for the HALO sections? Again why'd you change my oxygen requriements? The original is wrong. RWgirl 21:55, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
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them. I removed the altitude reference because it's misleading (per my edit summary). These are HALO/HAHO jumps - they're all high altitude. By listing these lower altitudes, readers might get the wrong impression. You've got to separate yourself from what the USPA puts out. The USPA has nothing to do with military operations. Rklawton 22:03, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
The O2 requirements are in the FAR's concerning altitude. I just don't have one with me to properly cite and it probably varies from country to country. I'm okay as long as the "12,000 ft" mention stays gone. That was my original reason for editing. RWgirl 22:11, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I would like to suggest that the term "civilian HALO jumps" is an oxymoron. Civilians don't make HALO jumps. HALO is a military acronym used to describe a military activity. Sport jumpers jump for sport. Occassionally, civilians will jump from 35,000 feet and deploy at 2,500 feet, but the similarity between that and a HALO jump ends there. Rklawton 23:33, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
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Why don't you have a standard list, and then add additional paragraphs for military equipment and civilian euipment that might differ? Would that satisfy both parties? Ng.j 16:58, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Please don't erase parts of the discussion, as it makes it harder for the rest of us to follow along. Instead, separate the discussion into sections for readability.
Also, please don't delete statements made by others. It has the appearance of being underhanded. Ng.j 16:55, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Having my comments edited therefore twisting their meaning and having judgements made on my character is an attack. Like I said, I wish RK's comments hadn't been erased, the last ones were scathing and attacked me as a person. You'd see what I mean. The funny thing is, I really don't care that much. I'm a grammar nazi with technical writing (not so much here in discussion) and the syntax of the original list sounded strange. That was all. RK agreed to the changes, agreed it sounded wierd, but has for reasons unknown felt the need to continually discuss it back here. He's made rude statements about me, I highly believe he's the one who's edited MY comments... This is why I feel attacked. RWgirl 18:25, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Ng.j 18:40, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Usually in my experience HALO refers to a high altitude aircraft in a tight circular pattern performing recon or communications relay.
Some disambiguation is needed on this page.
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As this article is about high altitude parachuting, it would be interesting to give a ballpark figure for a normal parachuting height (used by conventional military parachutists) in the introduction. Thanks. Maikel 11:21, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Also, would it be possible to include information about what is considered "Low Opening" - earlier on the talk page I see that someone referenced 4,000 feet as the average, but I'm reticent to add it to the page, since I have no knowledge or references for that number. Thanks! 65.169.151.18 ( talk) 18:05, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
I have found a contradiction in the article:
HAHO is used for delivering equipment, supplies, or personnel, while HALO is generally used only for personnel.
... and ...
For military cargo airdrops, the rigged load is pulled from the aircraft by a stabilizing parachute. The load then proceeds to free-fall to a low altitude where a cargo parachute opens to allow a low-velocity landing.
Please fix, thanks.
Maikel
11:24, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
A dispute between my brother and i pertaining to the subject of falling speeds during a HALO jump, especially the one performed by the world record holder for highest HALO jump(forgot his name).
What is the velocity of a person falling from such a height?
and how long does it take from maximum height before the deployment of the parachute?
The link for Big Boss itself leads to a disambiguation page with no information about this, and footnote #2 doesn't seem to mention this individual, either. Was this just some Metal Gear fan being silly? If not, somebody please supply some info regarding Big Boss. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.149.54.117 ( talk) 07:34, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Given that this article is supposed to be about HALO jumps, it nevertheless focuses entirely on the HA, and not at all on the LO. All altitudes refer to the altitude of departure, and marvel at how high they can get. Nowhere in the article does it even hint at a typical opening altitude. Reading this discussion page, apparently "below 4000 feet" is as specific as anyone can get. This is information too important to the scope of the article to be excluded. -- 76.203.23.23 ( talk) 07:10, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm a bit baffled as to why the word jump in this article title is capitalised. I'm also baffled as to why 'HALO' isn't capitalised in the title or why 'HAHO' isn't part of the title. Wouldn't 'HALO/HAHO' be a better name for the article? Big Mac ( talk) 00:38, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
The article claims that in the video game Medal of Honor: Airborne, the player starts the game off with a HALO jump. This statement is entirely inaccurate, as HALO jumps did not even exist during World War 2, when the game takes place. World War 2 insertions by US Paratroops involve virtually no free fall as the static line will open the parachute within the first few seconds of leaving the aircraft. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.243.86.183 ( talk) 00:29, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
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Regarding second paragraph "In typical HALO/HAHO insertions, the troops are dispatched from altitudes between 65,000 feet (20,000 m) and 75,000 feet (23,000 m)".... Where in the world does this come from??? Unless something is cited soon to verify this, which is highly dubious, it should be set to 25-35 thousand feet maximum altitude. Make sure you cite the type of plane used for this also, and it's service ceiling, such as B-1 (Lancer) bomber, service ceiling 60,000 feet. IF this is not changed or verified soon, Someone please do it. This is kind of a joke right now....
Msjayhawk ( talk) 19:03, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
I inserted a reference for the typical altitude from Global Security... Msjayhawk ( talk) 21:18, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
Does the use of the HALO jump in a video game deserve to be mentioned?
If so then shouldn't we take it upon ourselves to list the times it has happened in every video game? 174.78.204.49 ( talk) 20:10, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
Quoting the article: "For military cargo airdrops, the rigged load is cut free and rolls out of the plane as a result of aircraft deck angle (AOA). The load then proceeds to fall under canopy to a designated drop zone. In a typical HALO exercise, the parachutist will jump from the aircraft, free-fall for a period of time at terminal velocity, and open his parachute at a low altitude. The combination of high downward speed, minimal metal and forward air-speed serves to defeat radar, enabling a stealthy insertion."
1) based on much earlier comments on this page (2007) I gather that among people who actually jump from aircraft and live to talk about it the term "canopy" is used rather than chute or parachute. But I think that laypeople (which includes me) will overwhelmingly recognize the terms parachute and chute, not canopy. Using the term canopy without introducing it makes it Jargon IMO.
2) In the last sentence quoted above, does "forward air-speed" refer to the aircraft (i.e., that the aircraft very quickly leaves the parachutist behind) OR to the parachutist (i.e., that the parachutist maintains "significant" forward air-speed before opening the canopy)?
Intriguing topic. Thanks, Wanderer57 ( talk) 02:27, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
Quoting our article:
Given this brief history, couldn't one say that the "origins" date back to the late 1940s? Wanderer57 ( talk) 10:29, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
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As HALO and HAHO is generalized under MFF (Military Free-Fall). I feel like a generlized header under this category would be a good addition to this wiki. Currently In progress. ( CataPike ( talk) 23:25, 7 February 2022 (UTC))
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HALO stands for "High Altitude Low Opening"
Question- have read in certain fictions that a High altitude parachutist might have scuba equipment, allowing them to land in the water, cut off parachute equipment, and thus continue insertaion submerged. Is the even possible? Wouldn't the Double change in pressure (low pressure from high altitude, to increased preassure submerged) present EXTRA health risks TOO risky
69.23.124.142 ( talk) 19:25, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
In a typical HALO exercise, the parachuter will jump from the aircraft, free-fall for a few seconds and open his parachute at a low altitude. Doesn't it take a couple of minutes to drop from 20,000ft to HALO chute opening altitude? DJ Clayworth 04:03, 23 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Freefall for military purposes is usually in the 60-65 second range for HALO. Jumps can be as high as the mission dictates if oxygen is used, and the normal opening altitude is around 4,000 feet. HAHO jumps vary greatly based on the mission because of the navigational concerns. There is very little freefall, but the time in the chute until landing can routinely exceed 20 minutes. Great book on the subject is Code Name: Copperhead, Sgt. Maj. Joe R. Garner's autobio with Avrum M. Fine. The birth of MFF and the formation of the Golden Knights are also discussed in it. ConciergeMike 22:43, 2 March 2006 (UTC)ConciergeMike
As with all skydiving, participants run the risk of parachute failure, resulting in instantaneous death upon contact with the ground. That's somewhat... obvious. Although I have heard of some cases where people lived falls from planes, but perhaps at a lower altitude that a HA type jump. -- 68.13.59.58 04:45, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
In response to the request for expert assistance I emailed the POC for this site: http://www.batnet.com/mfwright/miljump.html to see if he would be interested in assisting with this article. Unfortunately he checked the site after it had been vandalized (12:10, 1 June 2006). Because of the persistant vandalism, I don't believe he's interested in editing the site, but there may be some information from his site that may be of use in developing the article, if corroborated. 71.113.73.83 08:52, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
"HALO and HAHO are acronyms that describe methods of delivering personnel, equipment, and supplies from a transport aircraft at a high altitude via free-fall parachute insertion. HALO stands for High Altitude-Low Opening, and is also known as Military Free Fall (MFF). HAHO stands for High Altitude-High Opening."
Would this be untrue?
If not, then would someone familiar with the topic clarify the military line in the HELO disambig page? MrZaius talk 03:30, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I also cleaned up the section on AAD's. The maximum vertical speed differs greatly depending on AAD manufacturer and model. I also took the Cypres reference out. I don't think it's fair to name a specific brand when they aren't the only (or even most popular) AAD manufacturer out there.
Boots that offer ankle support are no longer used. They were used in the days of round parachutes. Military personnel wear boots because it is a uniform requirement
I changed the oxygen requirements. They were just plain wrong.
Also, as a matter of syntax. It it not "chute" it's a canopy. It can also be called just a "main" or a "reserve." No one in the skydiving world calls their canopy a "chute." RWgirl 19:36, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I think I got over zealous changing parachutist. HALO jumpers were baing called parachutists as well. "Find and Replace" works too well.
How about jumpers for the HALO sections? Again why'd you change my oxygen requriements? The original is wrong. RWgirl 21:55, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
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them. I removed the altitude reference because it's misleading (per my edit summary). These are HALO/HAHO jumps - they're all high altitude. By listing these lower altitudes, readers might get the wrong impression. You've got to separate yourself from what the USPA puts out. The USPA has nothing to do with military operations. Rklawton 22:03, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
The O2 requirements are in the FAR's concerning altitude. I just don't have one with me to properly cite and it probably varies from country to country. I'm okay as long as the "12,000 ft" mention stays gone. That was my original reason for editing. RWgirl 22:11, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I would like to suggest that the term "civilian HALO jumps" is an oxymoron. Civilians don't make HALO jumps. HALO is a military acronym used to describe a military activity. Sport jumpers jump for sport. Occassionally, civilians will jump from 35,000 feet and deploy at 2,500 feet, but the similarity between that and a HALO jump ends there. Rklawton 23:33, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
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Why don't you have a standard list, and then add additional paragraphs for military equipment and civilian euipment that might differ? Would that satisfy both parties? Ng.j 16:58, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Please don't erase parts of the discussion, as it makes it harder for the rest of us to follow along. Instead, separate the discussion into sections for readability.
Also, please don't delete statements made by others. It has the appearance of being underhanded. Ng.j 16:55, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Having my comments edited therefore twisting their meaning and having judgements made on my character is an attack. Like I said, I wish RK's comments hadn't been erased, the last ones were scathing and attacked me as a person. You'd see what I mean. The funny thing is, I really don't care that much. I'm a grammar nazi with technical writing (not so much here in discussion) and the syntax of the original list sounded strange. That was all. RK agreed to the changes, agreed it sounded wierd, but has for reasons unknown felt the need to continually discuss it back here. He's made rude statements about me, I highly believe he's the one who's edited MY comments... This is why I feel attacked. RWgirl 18:25, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Ng.j 18:40, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
Usually in my experience HALO refers to a high altitude aircraft in a tight circular pattern performing recon or communications relay.
Some disambiguation is needed on this page.
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As this article is about high altitude parachuting, it would be interesting to give a ballpark figure for a normal parachuting height (used by conventional military parachutists) in the introduction. Thanks. Maikel 11:21, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Also, would it be possible to include information about what is considered "Low Opening" - earlier on the talk page I see that someone referenced 4,000 feet as the average, but I'm reticent to add it to the page, since I have no knowledge or references for that number. Thanks! 65.169.151.18 ( talk) 18:05, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
I have found a contradiction in the article:
HAHO is used for delivering equipment, supplies, or personnel, while HALO is generally used only for personnel.
... and ...
For military cargo airdrops, the rigged load is pulled from the aircraft by a stabilizing parachute. The load then proceeds to free-fall to a low altitude where a cargo parachute opens to allow a low-velocity landing.
Please fix, thanks.
Maikel
11:24, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
A dispute between my brother and i pertaining to the subject of falling speeds during a HALO jump, especially the one performed by the world record holder for highest HALO jump(forgot his name).
What is the velocity of a person falling from such a height?
and how long does it take from maximum height before the deployment of the parachute?
The link for Big Boss itself leads to a disambiguation page with no information about this, and footnote #2 doesn't seem to mention this individual, either. Was this just some Metal Gear fan being silly? If not, somebody please supply some info regarding Big Boss. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.149.54.117 ( talk) 07:34, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
Given that this article is supposed to be about HALO jumps, it nevertheless focuses entirely on the HA, and not at all on the LO. All altitudes refer to the altitude of departure, and marvel at how high they can get. Nowhere in the article does it even hint at a typical opening altitude. Reading this discussion page, apparently "below 4000 feet" is as specific as anyone can get. This is information too important to the scope of the article to be excluded. -- 76.203.23.23 ( talk) 07:10, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm a bit baffled as to why the word jump in this article title is capitalised. I'm also baffled as to why 'HALO' isn't capitalised in the title or why 'HAHO' isn't part of the title. Wouldn't 'HALO/HAHO' be a better name for the article? Big Mac ( talk) 00:38, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
The article claims that in the video game Medal of Honor: Airborne, the player starts the game off with a HALO jump. This statement is entirely inaccurate, as HALO jumps did not even exist during World War 2, when the game takes place. World War 2 insertions by US Paratroops involve virtually no free fall as the static line will open the parachute within the first few seconds of leaving the aircraft. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.243.86.183 ( talk) 00:29, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
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Regarding second paragraph "In typical HALO/HAHO insertions, the troops are dispatched from altitudes between 65,000 feet (20,000 m) and 75,000 feet (23,000 m)".... Where in the world does this come from??? Unless something is cited soon to verify this, which is highly dubious, it should be set to 25-35 thousand feet maximum altitude. Make sure you cite the type of plane used for this also, and it's service ceiling, such as B-1 (Lancer) bomber, service ceiling 60,000 feet. IF this is not changed or verified soon, Someone please do it. This is kind of a joke right now....
Msjayhawk ( talk) 19:03, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
I inserted a reference for the typical altitude from Global Security... Msjayhawk ( talk) 21:18, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
Does the use of the HALO jump in a video game deserve to be mentioned?
If so then shouldn't we take it upon ourselves to list the times it has happened in every video game? 174.78.204.49 ( talk) 20:10, 15 January 2012 (UTC)
Quoting the article: "For military cargo airdrops, the rigged load is cut free and rolls out of the plane as a result of aircraft deck angle (AOA). The load then proceeds to fall under canopy to a designated drop zone. In a typical HALO exercise, the parachutist will jump from the aircraft, free-fall for a period of time at terminal velocity, and open his parachute at a low altitude. The combination of high downward speed, minimal metal and forward air-speed serves to defeat radar, enabling a stealthy insertion."
1) based on much earlier comments on this page (2007) I gather that among people who actually jump from aircraft and live to talk about it the term "canopy" is used rather than chute or parachute. But I think that laypeople (which includes me) will overwhelmingly recognize the terms parachute and chute, not canopy. Using the term canopy without introducing it makes it Jargon IMO.
2) In the last sentence quoted above, does "forward air-speed" refer to the aircraft (i.e., that the aircraft very quickly leaves the parachutist behind) OR to the parachutist (i.e., that the parachutist maintains "significant" forward air-speed before opening the canopy)?
Intriguing topic. Thanks, Wanderer57 ( talk) 02:27, 20 May 2012 (UTC)
Quoting our article:
Given this brief history, couldn't one say that the "origins" date back to the late 1940s? Wanderer57 ( talk) 10:29, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
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As HALO and HAHO is generalized under MFF (Military Free-Fall). I feel like a generlized header under this category would be a good addition to this wiki. Currently In progress. ( CataPike ( talk) 23:25, 7 February 2022 (UTC))
Added bytes about terminal velocity ( CataPike ( talk) 00:48, 8 February 2022 (UTC))