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I have reverted a major deletion that was done to this article. Some anonymous person, without explanation, just deleted the whole section about deaths on the Hiawatha Line. That's been here for a long time, and revised or corrected several times.
If someone thinks there is some reason this section should be removed from this article, they they should explain why here, and see what the responses from other people are. That's the way things are properly done on Wikipedia. T-bonham ( talk) 06:17, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
I would have to agree with the vandal, the entire section on deaths seems frivolous and non-sequitar. I just read the page for my first time and thought that particular section was entirely out of place (that's why I went to this edit page in fact). I don't see a list of deaths on other transportation pages (likely because they'd be too numerous), so this seems strange. Even weirder is the the death in the parking lot of a woman hit by a bus... that was included simply because it was near the light rail? Bizarre. Go with the vandal and just delete that whole section. It's silly and distracting. 68.198.35.162 ( talk) 05:20, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
This article seems rather outdated. Much of it reads like it was written several years ago, talking about things in future tense.
Also, the article seems to downplay the success of the LRT. It only gives a bland statement of the number of annual passengers, and never says that the ridership is double or triple the original projections, or that the county has had to buy additional trains to meet the demand. Nor does it mention that the public acceptance has led to political pressure for more lines, with various areas wanting a line thru their neighborhood. T-bonham 01:27, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
I'll second that. It needs to get flagged for some work. Both in terms of the content but also in it's content having sources. A lot of things are being said in it right now that that don't have a source. Prk166 ( talk) 18:26, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
This is one of those times when I must admit to a microscopic regret for Wikipedia's
No Original Research policy, as I'd love to put in some remarks about the poor design of the stations. While they do have shelters, they are small and provide little protection from the elements. Furthermore, roofs over passenger areas are typically so high that unless precipitation is falling perfectly straight down, it has plenty of time to angle under the roof and soak waiting passengers.
You'd think that, given Minneapolis' notoriously foul winter weather, someone would have planned for that.
*sigh*
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20:38, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Humphrey station is now open again, so the map is outdated. Can someone change this? I'm not sure how, but I think it looks bad to have the old info on here now. Mullibok 15:45, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Someone changed the article names from Station name (Hiawatha Line station) to Station name (MNMT station). I guess I can understand why someone might want to change the name (e.g. the stations downtown won't just be part of the Hiawatha Line anymore when the Central Corridor LRT is complete), but NOBODY uses the "MNMT" abreviation in real life. Could we change this to Station name (Metro Transit station), perhaps? I realize there are other public transit agencies out there using the Metro Transit name, but the agency in the Twin Cities is the only one operating a rail system at this time (the LRT being built in Seattle right now will be operated by Sound Transit, NOT Metro Transit (King County), so there shouldn't be any issues there). I'd like to have some sort of discussion before going ahead and changing it myself. Eco84 | Talk 16:38, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Station names have now been changed to "(Metro Transit station)". Eco84 | Talk 04:37, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
How about Station name (METRO(MN) station) 75.73.186.199 ( talk) 18:46, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
Anyone else vote for changing the picture in the infobox? It seems really dated, given I haven't seen a one-car train in forever, and makes the Hiawatha line seem a lot more like a streetcar line than it is. Thoughts? Jrt989 ( talk) 03:10, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
That's a really good idea. Also I found an ideal infobox replacement candidate (the pic on bottom section I found in the commons). Packerfan386 ( talk 09:06, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
Done Packerfan386 ( talk) 09:10, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
There has been some debate about the "Deaths" section of this article. I 100% agree with the editors who keep putting it back when deleted without consensus. That said, I'm unconvinced that this is appropriate here.
Traffic accidents are no surprise, and are not notable in themselves. By simply including this information without meaningful context, we create the impression that this line (or LRT in general) is unsafe. If the article is going to say that, then we should document that and say so. If not, we should stay clear of this list.
Thoughts? Uberhill 16:30, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
Lately, I'm noticing more back-and-forth blanking/reverting on this section. Personally, I'm of the mindset that this section is un-encyclopedic, but would like to reopen the topic for discussion, rather than watch the blanking/reverting continue. Let's see if we can't find a final consensus. I'll start this discussion this way- is there a compelling reason to keep this section in? Thanks, Skyraider1 ( talk) 19:01, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
Not yet having heard a strong case for inclusion, I'm going to go ahead and delete the section, with a edit summary explaining why. If it gets reverted, then it's an opportunity for more discussion, I suppose. Skyraider1 ( talk) 12:11, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
There being multiple voices expressed for deletion, and none for inclusion, I'm deleting the section. Please do not reintroduce it without prior consensus. Uberhill 00:35, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
After removing this section due to the consensus here, it has been reverted back two times by an IP. I gave a warning each time, but I didn't want to leave only negative items there. I wanted to invite the IP user to provide their rationale here. I won't participate in a continued edit war with an IP, and if the section is added again without discussion here, I think an administrator should look into the IP user(s) who are reverting without consensus. Cheers, AstroCog ( talk) 00:53, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
Last I heard late last year, for every ticket purchased to ride the light-rail, Metrotransit lost $12 and some cents. This is an important issue, and should be listed in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.56.173.131 ( talk) 00:06, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
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We need to be consistent with line names. I know Metro Council has approved the new line colors as the new names for lines, but *EVERYTHING* in the Twin Cities still currently references this as the Hiawatha Line. Randomly replacing references to "Hiawatha Line" with "Blue Line" is confusing for no good reason; its primary name is still "Hiawatha Line" at this time, since although Metro Council has approved the change, it has not been accomplished yet. At the moment I think it would be most appropriate to reference the line as "Hiawatha Line (Blue Line)", and to switch that to "Blue Line (Hiawatha Line)" once the signs on the line are switched. Opinions?
Talindsay ( talk) 14:47, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
Edit: As of 25 August 2011, not only has Metro Transit not updated the name of the line from "Hiawatha Line" to "Blue Line", the line is actually in RED on the map. So it is premature to be changing the name from "Hiawatha Line" to "Blue Line" at this time. [1] Talindsay ( talk) 14:56, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
→Added the official date for switch to Blue line [2] Jdkessler ( talk) 18:43, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
So the same committee of geniuses that renamed Humphrey and Lindberg at the airport "Terminal #1" and "Terminal #2" want us to start calling this the "Blue Line". Let's see if common usage actually changes before we move this article. Jonathunder ( talk) 20:58, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
I am not sure about the idea of calling this page "Hiawatha Line", instead of the official name "METRO Blue Line". Metro Transit has been slowly removing Hiawatha Line references from station fixtures and printed schedules. (Current Blue Line schedule says it was formally "Route 55", no mention of Hiawatha Line). Yes, we need to be consistent with line names--and we need to be consistent about the name as the METRO system as a whole. Metro Transit is officially going for a color-coded METRO branding and it will be more prominent as METRO Green Line opens this June. I don't necessarily agree with the notion of "Hiawatha Line" being a common name ever; people simply called it (and still do) a "light rail". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonathanahn ( talk • contribs) 04:00, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
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Hiawatha Line → METRO Blue Line (Minnesota) – The line has changed its name as of April 2013. --Relisted. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 13:06, 14 April 2014 (UTC) -- 75.73.186.199 ( talk) 14:12, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: proceduarally closed. The article was moved sometime during the discussion. There is no overwhelming reason to reverse that close. So let's formally end this. ( non-admin closure) Calidum Talk To Me 07:15, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
– Official Metro website now lists the two lines as the Blue Line and Green Line. Open for suggestions on the part in parentheses to disambiguate the pages. --Relisted. Armbrust The Homunculus 14:51, 27 May 2014 (UTC) Conifer ( talk) 06:21, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
Assuming that this discussion is still going on, I would like to cast my vote for these options below:
The term "Twin Cities" is technically not just for the Minneapolis-St.Paul area and could be used in other pairs of cities. There are multiple transit systems called "Metro Transit" around the world, which could be potentially confusing as well. (Not to mention the governing body "Metropolitan Council", too.) Seems like we're on a consensus that we should stay away from the page title "Hiawatha Line", though? Jonathanahn ( talk) 21:37, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
This may be recorded somewhere, but I cannot find it. The Southwest corridor would get its own line color, would it not? Obviously the plan is to extend it from the Target field station where the Blue and Green lines run together. It seems that it will get its own article and does not need to be merged into another line. It has a separate build schedule and a significant about of its own controversy surrounding the plan. Group29 ( talk) 22:31, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
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I have reverted a major deletion that was done to this article. Some anonymous person, without explanation, just deleted the whole section about deaths on the Hiawatha Line. That's been here for a long time, and revised or corrected several times.
If someone thinks there is some reason this section should be removed from this article, they they should explain why here, and see what the responses from other people are. That's the way things are properly done on Wikipedia. T-bonham ( talk) 06:17, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
I would have to agree with the vandal, the entire section on deaths seems frivolous and non-sequitar. I just read the page for my first time and thought that particular section was entirely out of place (that's why I went to this edit page in fact). I don't see a list of deaths on other transportation pages (likely because they'd be too numerous), so this seems strange. Even weirder is the the death in the parking lot of a woman hit by a bus... that was included simply because it was near the light rail? Bizarre. Go with the vandal and just delete that whole section. It's silly and distracting. 68.198.35.162 ( talk) 05:20, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
This article seems rather outdated. Much of it reads like it was written several years ago, talking about things in future tense.
Also, the article seems to downplay the success of the LRT. It only gives a bland statement of the number of annual passengers, and never says that the ridership is double or triple the original projections, or that the county has had to buy additional trains to meet the demand. Nor does it mention that the public acceptance has led to political pressure for more lines, with various areas wanting a line thru their neighborhood. T-bonham 01:27, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
I'll second that. It needs to get flagged for some work. Both in terms of the content but also in it's content having sources. A lot of things are being said in it right now that that don't have a source. Prk166 ( talk) 18:26, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
This is one of those times when I must admit to a microscopic regret for Wikipedia's
No Original Research policy, as I'd love to put in some remarks about the poor design of the stations. While they do have shelters, they are small and provide little protection from the elements. Furthermore, roofs over passenger areas are typically so high that unless precipitation is falling perfectly straight down, it has plenty of time to angle under the roof and soak waiting passengers.
You'd think that, given Minneapolis' notoriously foul winter weather, someone would have planned for that.
*sigh*
*
Septegram*
Talk*
Contributions*
20:38, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
Humphrey station is now open again, so the map is outdated. Can someone change this? I'm not sure how, but I think it looks bad to have the old info on here now. Mullibok 15:45, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Someone changed the article names from Station name (Hiawatha Line station) to Station name (MNMT station). I guess I can understand why someone might want to change the name (e.g. the stations downtown won't just be part of the Hiawatha Line anymore when the Central Corridor LRT is complete), but NOBODY uses the "MNMT" abreviation in real life. Could we change this to Station name (Metro Transit station), perhaps? I realize there are other public transit agencies out there using the Metro Transit name, but the agency in the Twin Cities is the only one operating a rail system at this time (the LRT being built in Seattle right now will be operated by Sound Transit, NOT Metro Transit (King County), so there shouldn't be any issues there). I'd like to have some sort of discussion before going ahead and changing it myself. Eco84 | Talk 16:38, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Station names have now been changed to "(Metro Transit station)". Eco84 | Talk 04:37, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
How about Station name (METRO(MN) station) 75.73.186.199 ( talk) 18:46, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
Anyone else vote for changing the picture in the infobox? It seems really dated, given I haven't seen a one-car train in forever, and makes the Hiawatha line seem a lot more like a streetcar line than it is. Thoughts? Jrt989 ( talk) 03:10, 23 March 2010 (UTC)
That's a really good idea. Also I found an ideal infobox replacement candidate (the pic on bottom section I found in the commons). Packerfan386 ( talk 09:06, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
Done Packerfan386 ( talk) 09:10, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
There has been some debate about the "Deaths" section of this article. I 100% agree with the editors who keep putting it back when deleted without consensus. That said, I'm unconvinced that this is appropriate here.
Traffic accidents are no surprise, and are not notable in themselves. By simply including this information without meaningful context, we create the impression that this line (or LRT in general) is unsafe. If the article is going to say that, then we should document that and say so. If not, we should stay clear of this list.
Thoughts? Uberhill 16:30, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
Lately, I'm noticing more back-and-forth blanking/reverting on this section. Personally, I'm of the mindset that this section is un-encyclopedic, but would like to reopen the topic for discussion, rather than watch the blanking/reverting continue. Let's see if we can't find a final consensus. I'll start this discussion this way- is there a compelling reason to keep this section in? Thanks, Skyraider1 ( talk) 19:01, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
Not yet having heard a strong case for inclusion, I'm going to go ahead and delete the section, with a edit summary explaining why. If it gets reverted, then it's an opportunity for more discussion, I suppose. Skyraider1 ( talk) 12:11, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
There being multiple voices expressed for deletion, and none for inclusion, I'm deleting the section. Please do not reintroduce it without prior consensus. Uberhill 00:35, 28 June 2013 (UTC)
After removing this section due to the consensus here, it has been reverted back two times by an IP. I gave a warning each time, but I didn't want to leave only negative items there. I wanted to invite the IP user to provide their rationale here. I won't participate in a continued edit war with an IP, and if the section is added again without discussion here, I think an administrator should look into the IP user(s) who are reverting without consensus. Cheers, AstroCog ( talk) 00:53, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
Last I heard late last year, for every ticket purchased to ride the light-rail, Metrotransit lost $12 and some cents. This is an important issue, and should be listed in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.56.173.131 ( talk) 00:06, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
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We need to be consistent with line names. I know Metro Council has approved the new line colors as the new names for lines, but *EVERYTHING* in the Twin Cities still currently references this as the Hiawatha Line. Randomly replacing references to "Hiawatha Line" with "Blue Line" is confusing for no good reason; its primary name is still "Hiawatha Line" at this time, since although Metro Council has approved the change, it has not been accomplished yet. At the moment I think it would be most appropriate to reference the line as "Hiawatha Line (Blue Line)", and to switch that to "Blue Line (Hiawatha Line)" once the signs on the line are switched. Opinions?
Talindsay ( talk) 14:47, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
Edit: As of 25 August 2011, not only has Metro Transit not updated the name of the line from "Hiawatha Line" to "Blue Line", the line is actually in RED on the map. So it is premature to be changing the name from "Hiawatha Line" to "Blue Line" at this time. [1] Talindsay ( talk) 14:56, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
→Added the official date for switch to Blue line [2] Jdkessler ( talk) 18:43, 3 May 2013 (UTC)
So the same committee of geniuses that renamed Humphrey and Lindberg at the airport "Terminal #1" and "Terminal #2" want us to start calling this the "Blue Line". Let's see if common usage actually changes before we move this article. Jonathunder ( talk) 20:58, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
I am not sure about the idea of calling this page "Hiawatha Line", instead of the official name "METRO Blue Line". Metro Transit has been slowly removing Hiawatha Line references from station fixtures and printed schedules. (Current Blue Line schedule says it was formally "Route 55", no mention of Hiawatha Line). Yes, we need to be consistent with line names--and we need to be consistent about the name as the METRO system as a whole. Metro Transit is officially going for a color-coded METRO branding and it will be more prominent as METRO Green Line opens this June. I don't necessarily agree with the notion of "Hiawatha Line" being a common name ever; people simply called it (and still do) a "light rail". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonathanahn ( talk • contribs) 04:00, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
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The result of the proposal was not moved. -- BDD ( talk) 23:42, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
Hiawatha Line → METRO Blue Line (Minnesota) – The line has changed its name as of April 2013. --Relisted. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 13:06, 14 April 2014 (UTC) -- 75.73.186.199 ( talk) 14:12, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: proceduarally closed. The article was moved sometime during the discussion. There is no overwhelming reason to reverse that close. So let's formally end this. ( non-admin closure) Calidum Talk To Me 07:15, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
– Official Metro website now lists the two lines as the Blue Line and Green Line. Open for suggestions on the part in parentheses to disambiguate the pages. --Relisted. Armbrust The Homunculus 14:51, 27 May 2014 (UTC) Conifer ( talk) 06:21, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
Assuming that this discussion is still going on, I would like to cast my vote for these options below:
The term "Twin Cities" is technically not just for the Minneapolis-St.Paul area and could be used in other pairs of cities. There are multiple transit systems called "Metro Transit" around the world, which could be potentially confusing as well. (Not to mention the governing body "Metropolitan Council", too.) Seems like we're on a consensus that we should stay away from the page title "Hiawatha Line", though? Jonathanahn ( talk) 21:37, 28 May 2014 (UTC)
This may be recorded somewhere, but I cannot find it. The Southwest corridor would get its own line color, would it not? Obviously the plan is to extend it from the Target field station where the Blue and Green lines run together. It seems that it will get its own article and does not need to be merged into another line. It has a separate build schedule and a significant about of its own controversy surrounding the plan. Group29 ( talk) 22:31, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
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