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@ Cullen328: @ Marquardtika:
There is concern about recently added content of incoherent statements made by Walker being presented as political positions. It's all sourced to an article by GPB
[1], titled "Herschel Walker's 'bad air' comments the latest in series of policy gaffes." I think there is a relatively simple solution to this. The way these quotes are being introduced now is not beneficial to the article or the reader. Reliable sources, including the one cited, refer to these as part of a series of policy gaffes, not policy positions. I think we should write up a paragraph about Walkers gaffes, which have become significant to his campaign. I introduced such a paragraph yesterday, only for it to be reverted. It read: During his campaign, Walker has repeatedly made verbal
gaffes,
[1] and
CNN has described Walker as a "walking gaffe machine."
[2] When questioned about climate change, Walker gave a nonsensical answer about "bad air" floating to China.
[2]
[3] Additionally, he has made policy gaffes about gun legislation and school shootings.
[3]
I believe this is a fair and comprehensive solution to this issue.
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Iamreallygoodatcheckers t@lk 02:24, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
Walker's most recent gaffe made the rounds..., CNN says
Herschel Walker is a walking gaffe machine.and follows with the quote. It's unheard of to be presenting gaffes as policy, that shouldn't be the standard here in the same way it's not the standard at Political positions of Joe Biden or Political positions of George W. Bush. Should we go add to Nancy Pelosi's page that she believes China is the "one of the freest societies in the world"? [2] Obviously, not. Also, no one is trying to protect Walker. Protecting him would be advocating for no mention of these gaffes. This is just providing out of context comments about someone that make them look stupid. Statements by candidates need to be presented in a manner similar to RS. Iamreallygoodatcheckers t@lk 03:03, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
I want to revive this topic specifically for this quote in the page: "When asked about his position on gun control legislation, he replied "what I like to do is see it and everything and stuff."[97]". When following the link and watching the video, it's clear that Walker had not had a chance to review a specific shooting when responding to a question about it, and the setting is at a function with a lot of movement and noise, but the quote's position in this page paints the picture that he has no stance on gun control and faltered at the mention in a controlled environment. I think it is a very fair quote to include, but I am proposing to change the intro to the quote to instead read "When asked to respond to a recent shooting, he replied "what I like to do is see it and everything and stuff."[97]". 10 November 2022 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.116.146.113 ( talk) 18:22, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
Paragraph on overstating Renaissance financial performance conflates sales (revenue) with profits (net income) 2601:681:8380:7EA0:B914:84D9:55CA:28DF ( talk) 05:03, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
I agree, why has this not been changed since being flagged in the beginning of September. This is a blatantly misleading incorrect. And the article is locked to prevent correction. Could an editor respond why they think it should stand like this. Switchbackforfun ( talk) 22:59, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
The current article comes across as rather one-sided. As a non-American, the thing Walker is known for is him paying for an abortion and the lies he has told. These aspects have made headlines in many countries, where most of us had never heard about him before the past few weeks. Leaving that out of the lede looks very strange. I can understand that his sports career might be known to Americans, and of course that also belongs in the lede for that reason, but to leave out his latest scandals seem strongly biased. Jeppiz ( talk) 12:08, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
To add to this article: Walker claimed that he supervises six hospitals across the United States (a statement that appears not to be true). Source 173.88.246.138 ( talk) 19:02, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
I took a look at a GA article nomination and there were a few pieces of content that caught my attention:
@ Iamreallygoodatcheckers, @ Andrevan, @ Muboshgu, @ Ser!" would like to here your thoughts here. Wozal ( talk) 01:22, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
How do we square this with WP:PUBLICFIGURE? All we have here is: an anonymous woman accuses him, he denies vigorously. Is that really encyclopedic? I know Gloria Allred has credibility.
The NYT and CNN both covered the allegations, but they couldn't interview the woman ("on background"), and they couldn't corroborate the story. Sure, the story wouldn't be completely out of character for Walker; but we already cover far more substantiated allegations. Do we need that one? DFlhb ( talk) 06:06, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
There seems to be a lack of political content practically there is very little of his pre Senate politics and needs to have a expansion on his pre Senate politics. Qwv ( talk) 12:29, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
The article is a typical left-wing hit piece that makes it seem like Walker is incapable of formulating complete sentences. I think there should be a Complete sentences section showcasing examples of him managing to do that. Asterisks and stuff could draw special attention to utterances exhibiting subject-verb agreement and similar rhetorical skill. E Eng 23:33, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
This whole article seems to exhibit political bias against Walker. So much hearsay is presented as fact. Personal information about his violent behavior with no basis of fact. You should work for MSNBC or CNN. 75.90.5.167 ( talk) 19:36, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
Can we go back to the "where are the reliable sources for this" part?
"Raising awareness" is an absurd argument -- you're practically admitting that readers will be not informed, but rather puzzled. (I personally figured it meant he prefers a particular brand of beer [3].) The third paragraph of the lead notes his Olympic participation, so what in the world is the hurry to let people know about it four words into the article, especially since (as noted already) it's just about the least significant part of his career? Any argument that inclusion will somehow benefit the reader is truly strained. E Eng 21:08, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
When the subject of an article has received honours or appointments issued ... by a widely recognized organization that reliable sources regularly associate with the subject, post-nominal letters may be included in the lead section.
Julie Blanchard said from 2012 that she was Walker's fiancée; Walker married Blanchard in 2021." is not a properly worded sentence. What does this mean? Does it mean that she was engaged as far back as 2012? Or that, in the year 2012, she made statements she was engaged to Walker? SecretName101 ( talk) 04:49, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
Julie Blanchard, was identifying herself as his fiancee as early as 2012) and I have rephrased the article. Sorry for the confusion. starship .paint ( exalt) 15:37, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
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Herschel Walker helped the University of Georgia football teams win the de facto national championship his FRESHMAN year over Notre Dame, NOT his JUNIOR year, as the current article claims. 2601:640:C901:28F0:D5B4:BCB5:4A21:259D ( talk) 05:40, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
Why is his College Career section been edited out. Is this someone's way of trying to cancel him? Davidbirdsong31 ( talk) 17:45, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
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@ Cullen328: @ Marquardtika:
There is concern about recently added content of incoherent statements made by Walker being presented as political positions. It's all sourced to an article by GPB
[1], titled "Herschel Walker's 'bad air' comments the latest in series of policy gaffes." I think there is a relatively simple solution to this. The way these quotes are being introduced now is not beneficial to the article or the reader. Reliable sources, including the one cited, refer to these as part of a series of policy gaffes, not policy positions. I think we should write up a paragraph about Walkers gaffes, which have become significant to his campaign. I introduced such a paragraph yesterday, only for it to be reverted. It read: During his campaign, Walker has repeatedly made verbal
gaffes,
[1] and
CNN has described Walker as a "walking gaffe machine."
[2] When questioned about climate change, Walker gave a nonsensical answer about "bad air" floating to China.
[2]
[3] Additionally, he has made policy gaffes about gun legislation and school shootings.
[3]
I believe this is a fair and comprehensive solution to this issue.
References
{{
cite web}}
: |last1=
has generic name (
help)
{{
cite web}}
: |last1=
has generic name (
help)CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (
link)
Iamreallygoodatcheckers t@lk 02:24, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
Walker's most recent gaffe made the rounds..., CNN says
Herschel Walker is a walking gaffe machine.and follows with the quote. It's unheard of to be presenting gaffes as policy, that shouldn't be the standard here in the same way it's not the standard at Political positions of Joe Biden or Political positions of George W. Bush. Should we go add to Nancy Pelosi's page that she believes China is the "one of the freest societies in the world"? [2] Obviously, not. Also, no one is trying to protect Walker. Protecting him would be advocating for no mention of these gaffes. This is just providing out of context comments about someone that make them look stupid. Statements by candidates need to be presented in a manner similar to RS. Iamreallygoodatcheckers t@lk 03:03, 18 August 2022 (UTC)
I want to revive this topic specifically for this quote in the page: "When asked about his position on gun control legislation, he replied "what I like to do is see it and everything and stuff."[97]". When following the link and watching the video, it's clear that Walker had not had a chance to review a specific shooting when responding to a question about it, and the setting is at a function with a lot of movement and noise, but the quote's position in this page paints the picture that he has no stance on gun control and faltered at the mention in a controlled environment. I think it is a very fair quote to include, but I am proposing to change the intro to the quote to instead read "When asked to respond to a recent shooting, he replied "what I like to do is see it and everything and stuff."[97]". 10 November 2022 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.116.146.113 ( talk) 18:22, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
Paragraph on overstating Renaissance financial performance conflates sales (revenue) with profits (net income) 2601:681:8380:7EA0:B914:84D9:55CA:28DF ( talk) 05:03, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
I agree, why has this not been changed since being flagged in the beginning of September. This is a blatantly misleading incorrect. And the article is locked to prevent correction. Could an editor respond why they think it should stand like this. Switchbackforfun ( talk) 22:59, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
The current article comes across as rather one-sided. As a non-American, the thing Walker is known for is him paying for an abortion and the lies he has told. These aspects have made headlines in many countries, where most of us had never heard about him before the past few weeks. Leaving that out of the lede looks very strange. I can understand that his sports career might be known to Americans, and of course that also belongs in the lede for that reason, but to leave out his latest scandals seem strongly biased. Jeppiz ( talk) 12:08, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
To add to this article: Walker claimed that he supervises six hospitals across the United States (a statement that appears not to be true). Source 173.88.246.138 ( talk) 19:02, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
I took a look at a GA article nomination and there were a few pieces of content that caught my attention:
@ Iamreallygoodatcheckers, @ Andrevan, @ Muboshgu, @ Ser!" would like to here your thoughts here. Wozal ( talk) 01:22, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
How do we square this with WP:PUBLICFIGURE? All we have here is: an anonymous woman accuses him, he denies vigorously. Is that really encyclopedic? I know Gloria Allred has credibility.
The NYT and CNN both covered the allegations, but they couldn't interview the woman ("on background"), and they couldn't corroborate the story. Sure, the story wouldn't be completely out of character for Walker; but we already cover far more substantiated allegations. Do we need that one? DFlhb ( talk) 06:06, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
There seems to be a lack of political content practically there is very little of his pre Senate politics and needs to have a expansion on his pre Senate politics. Qwv ( talk) 12:29, 22 November 2022 (UTC)
The article is a typical left-wing hit piece that makes it seem like Walker is incapable of formulating complete sentences. I think there should be a Complete sentences section showcasing examples of him managing to do that. Asterisks and stuff could draw special attention to utterances exhibiting subject-verb agreement and similar rhetorical skill. E Eng 23:33, 27 November 2022 (UTC)
This whole article seems to exhibit political bias against Walker. So much hearsay is presented as fact. Personal information about his violent behavior with no basis of fact. You should work for MSNBC or CNN. 75.90.5.167 ( talk) 19:36, 29 November 2022 (UTC)
Can we go back to the "where are the reliable sources for this" part?
"Raising awareness" is an absurd argument -- you're practically admitting that readers will be not informed, but rather puzzled. (I personally figured it meant he prefers a particular brand of beer [3].) The third paragraph of the lead notes his Olympic participation, so what in the world is the hurry to let people know about it four words into the article, especially since (as noted already) it's just about the least significant part of his career? Any argument that inclusion will somehow benefit the reader is truly strained. E Eng 21:08, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
When the subject of an article has received honours or appointments issued ... by a widely recognized organization that reliable sources regularly associate with the subject, post-nominal letters may be included in the lead section.
Julie Blanchard said from 2012 that she was Walker's fiancée; Walker married Blanchard in 2021." is not a properly worded sentence. What does this mean? Does it mean that she was engaged as far back as 2012? Or that, in the year 2012, she made statements she was engaged to Walker? SecretName101 ( talk) 04:49, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
Julie Blanchard, was identifying herself as his fiancee as early as 2012) and I have rephrased the article. Sorry for the confusion. starship .paint ( exalt) 15:37, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
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Herschel Walker helped the University of Georgia football teams win the de facto national championship his FRESHMAN year over Notre Dame, NOT his JUNIOR year, as the current article claims. 2601:640:C901:28F0:D5B4:BCB5:4A21:259D ( talk) 05:40, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
Why is his College Career section been edited out. Is this someone's way of trying to cancel him? Davidbirdsong31 ( talk) 17:45, 28 February 2024 (UTC)